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    A good excuse for doing anything unseemly.
    New hat now, I see...the moral police

    In an effort to keep this thread on topic.....are those politicians that are attempting to subvert democracy by claiming "voter fraud" whenever they lose, doing anything "unseemly?" Before you answer, bear this in mind:

    Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organisation, that tends toward rebellion against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent toward, or rebellion against, established authority.
    I also have another question...you made these statements earlier this summer:

    But, like I said, if they limit their activities to protecting their families and property, their ideology doens't matter to me. When they start excessive actions, hang them on the lamp posts. Next to looters.
    Many social groups around the world (and sometimes all of them together) come out to voice their resentment. But, somehow, many of them keep within decency limits like it was in the 1960s in the MLK epoch, in Eastern Europe in the late 1980s, in Ukraine in 2004 and 2013/14, in Armenia in 2018, in Hong Kong in 2019, in Belarus just now and even during Occupy Wall street events. By decency limits I mean fighting the authorities, not their fellow citizens. How come current tensions are so mistargeted?
    It is not about being legitimate or not, it is about the lack of common sense. Protesters demand "law and order and justice", as you say, but by that they mean all these FOR THEMSELVES, and not for those who happened to own shops on a wrong street. If this is "justice for all" why do you attack innocent people's property? They aren't included into all? How are they guilty in the depravity of the police? Do the rioters realize that they alienate people by looting?
    So should these people, pictured in the link below, be "hung from the lamp posts"? Are they "keeping within decency limits"? Is the church just "on the wrong street"? Why are you not as outraged now as you were at BLM protesters?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...gton-dc-444940

    And BTW, the American flag being waved there, while once a symbol of a fledgling country, is now predominantly seen in white supremacy gatherings. That tell you anything about what these folks think of our country?

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    It'll only be the new normal if it works
    I think it already has worked, in the sense that it's undermined the legitimacy of the voting process. When you get trounced by 70 points in a race, there should be no doubt about the winner. But now, due to all the constant verbal lashing Trump has given the voting process in the last 4 years, that 70 point loser thinks that he/she has grounds for claiming they won by putting forth all kinds of wild assertions. The Bergmann case in Tennessee (from the above link) follows the same bizarre rhetoric as Trump's:

    In Tennessee, Charlotte Bergmann, who lost her race to unseat Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) by more than 57 percentage points, said she became a “household name” in the Memphis-based district and that for Cohen, the sitting congressman, “to get the vote that he got in this race, people couldn’t understand it.”

    “I’ve been active in politics since 1999, helping to get Republicans elected, starting with George W. Bush,” she wrote to her secretary of state, Tre Hargett. “That’s 21 years of service, and I’m the angriest I have been in decades! There are a group of corrupt people who have absolute contempt for the American people, who believe that we’re so spineless, so cowardly, so unwilling to stand up for ourselves, that they can steal the presidency, and down ballot seats, and we’ll just wring our hands, bring in a few lawyers, and do nothing.”
    Being a "household name" and "active in politics since 1999" does not constitute voter fraud. You lost the election by 57 points. Take you're damn ball and go home. Better luck next time. WTF?

    Sadly, the only chance of legislating restraint on the executive in the medium-term was for Dems to win a decisive majority in both chambers.
    That, I'm afraid, is the sad reality. One only has to look at the total cluster-@#$% that's happening in Congress at this moment. Dr. No has almost the same power as POTUS. If anything, legislation was needed to put some restraints on the powers of the Senate Majority Leader. One man's refusal to authorize legislation that would ease the suffering of millions of Americans, while prioritizing Senate sessions to push through the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett, is just as criminal as almost anything Trump has done.

    And that also went out the door with the mediocre results down-ballot.
    Last edited by ReluctantSamurai; 12-14-2020 at 17:54.
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