POTUS/General Election Thread 2020 + Aftermath

[Pannonian]

Monty did a great job explaining to you once again the stance here. Hopefully you will understand this time around.


Anyways, to follow up on my previous comment about Trumpist influence within the GOP, a new poll released today shows that a whopping 75% of Republicans want Trump to remain involved in the GOP. So there is zero chance that he gets driven out unless he chooses to leave for some reason or another, which would probably be catastrophic for the GOP. But within this poll contains a very interesting bit: 11% of Republicans do not think he should be allowed to hold office again, as well as 56% of independents. Now should Trump run in 2024 we can see if those numbers hold up. Another interesting thing is that both sides seem to view extremism growing in the US (60%), but I'd bet that there is a disagreement as to the kind of extremism.

The Democrats don't need to win over those 75%. Most of the independents, and a chunk of the 11%, will suffice.

[ReluctantSamurai]

Reminder that Democrats could have had any impeachment rules they pleased. There is literally nothing the Republicans could have forced them to do against their will.

What we just witnessed in this second impeachment, is the reason why the Dems will lose both Houses of the Senate in 2022, and the presidency in 2024.

First, there was no way that enough Republicans would've broken ranks and voted to convict. This is the reason McConnell, while desperately wanting to put a nail in Trump's coffin for a 2024 run, did not vote to impeach. He is as despicable as they come as a lawmaker, but he is also as savvy as they come. I'm sure his discussions with fellow GOP senators, behind closed doors, convinced him that even if he threw his vote in with the Dems, and bring several senators with him, there still wouldn't be enough votes to convict.

Second, the Democrats don't have an ounce of fight between the lot of them. Witnesses should have DEFINITELY been called. Can you imagine putting Mike Pence on the stand to answer questions about why his life had been put in danger by Trump loyalists? And which lawmaker was it that was leading those tours of Congress the day before the riot? There are cameras EVERYWHERE in that building and if any of those people caught on camera the day before showed up in footage the next day....oops.

Third, this shows that the majority of GOP senators are still afraid of Trump, even after he's out of office, and even more afraid of Republican voters. I think the seven who voted to impeach should be mentioned: Richard Burr, North Carolina; Bill Cassidy, Louisiana; Susan Collins, Maine; Lisa Murkowski, Alaska; Mitt Romney, Utah; Ben Sasse, Nebraska; Pat Toomey, Pennsylvania. While I don't agree with your politics, my hat is off to you for standing up for your country rather than your party and your careers....

Want the "real" reason the senators all wanted to go home?:

https://www.businessinsider.com/impe...nes-day-2021-2

Tongue-in-cheek aside, I think the kernel of truth in that statement is that perhaps Biden, who is a close friend of Coons, wanted the trial over with so that he can get the rest of his cabinet seated. Just my 2cents....

Get the damn COVID relief package passed, and make sure it includes the $15/hour minimum wage increase. If you have to take Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema into a back room and put a gun to their heads to get their vote.....DO IT. It will go a long way towards improving confidence in the Democratic Party.

[Hooahguy]

Second, the Democrats don't have an ounce of fight between the lot of them. Witnesses should have DEFINITELY been called. Can you imagine putting Mike Pence on the stand to answer questions about why his life had been put in danger by Trump loyalists? And which lawmaker was it that was leading those tours of Congress the day before the riot? There are cameras EVERYWHERE in that building and if any of those people caught on camera the day before showed up in footage the next day....oops.
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Tongue-in-cheek aside, I think the kernel of truth in that statement is that perhaps Biden, who is a close friend of Coons, wanted the trial over with so that he can get the rest of his cabinet seated. Just my 2cents....

Get the damn COVID relief package passed, and make sure it includes the $15/hour minimum wage increase. If you have to take Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema into a back room and put a gun to their heads to get their vote.....DO IT. It will go a long way towards improving confidence in the Democratic Party.

Agreed. It didnt seem like it was taken as deathly serious as it needed to be. The response to this I've heard is that witnesses would be fighting tooth and nail to not come and testify (which is likely true), but then my response would be to put the trial on hold as this stuff gets litigated, pass Covid relief and whatever cabinet positions Biden needs, and then return to the trial when the witnesses are ready. The more spotlight that shines on Trump's crimes the better.

We cannot let the public forget about 1/6, especially as the latest polling has Trump at 53% support for the 2024 primary and my gut says that he will run.