Biden Thread

[Hooahguy]

It was over a decade ago, but during the ACA debate of 2009 it was a single senator, Lieberman, who killed off the public option in the bill. A single senator carries a lot of weight.

I just hope the conservatives are a transactional sort and that killing the minimum wage increase opens the door for the next item on the agenda.

Sadly I think the vast majority of them, including the "reasonable" ones, are totally fine with giving Dems zero wins.

[Montmorency]

It was over a decade ago, but during the ACA debate of 2009 it was a single senator, Lieberman, who killed off the public option in the bill. A single senator carries a lot of weight.


Sadly I think the vast majority of them, including the "reasonable" ones, are totally fine with giving Dems zero wins.

Just for the record, but the Dems had 59/60 Senators 10 or 11 years ago. Not limiting/scrapping the filibuster, not doing more with reconciliation, that was purely the caucus consensus in itself, partly because we had a surfeit of Manchin types. Thankfully it's not as bad anymore.

[ReluctantSamurai]

...it would take a miracle to pass landmark legislation with 51 Senators, let alone 50.

I will bet the farm that when the discussion comes up for a new fighter jet to replace the 1 TRILLION DOLLAR disaster known as the F-35, there will be no shortage of senator votes from both sides required to fund the new aircraft. And these same congressmen/women can't agree on bettering the employment conditions for millions of Americans by raising the minimum wage. Is it any wonder why folks hate big government?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I will bet the farm that when the discussion comes up for a new fighter jet to replace the 1 TRILLION DOLLAR disaster known as the F-35, there will be no shortage of senator votes from both sides required to fund the new aircraft. And these same congressmen/women can't agree on bettering the employment conditions for millions of Americans by raising the minimum wage. Is it any wonder why folks hate big government?

Defense spending is a jobs guarantee for a lot of STEM jobs. Who cares about the F-35, do any of us expect WW3 to break out between US and China and not end in a nuclear holocaust?

[rory_20_uk]

I will bet the farm that when the discussion comes up for a new fighter jet to replace the 1 TRILLION DOLLAR disaster known as the F-35, there will be no shortage of senator votes from both sides required to fund the new aircraft. And these same congressmen/women can't agree on bettering the employment conditions for millions of Americans by raising the minimum wage. Is it any wonder why folks hate big government?

It isn't a problem with Big Government, it is a problem with Corrupt Government. The only thing that benefits from shrinking government is those who already have - so big companies and high net worth individuals; unchecked local government can be equally corrupt and so strong, independent oversight should be what is sought for, not making things worse.