Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Esooa]

I can link my most recent wolf game I'm proud of it anyway lol

[Cuthillius]

i think wolves tend to have more of a filter in terms of what they post

esooa in particular is someone who'll probably post a lot as a wolf, but also try to make sure she's cultivating the right image

and that type of player tends to be less likely to just toss out an extremely surface level read that's never going to stick but is poking a bear and is in the range where it's not soft or hard enough to be a good look for them

[Arapocalypse]

anyone have thoughts on esooa not caring about the actual content of my post but that i

a) posted a read

b) posted a long post?

i mean she quoted the wall but had nothing to say on it

idk, its a case, i would like feedback

I think it's sort of towny? As in, I just feel like it's a towny thing for someone to look at a large post and talk about its length; not really something that I feel like mafia would be inclined to do!!!

As in, there's a decent amount of content in there; feels more like they'd feel obligated to talk about it a little!!

[ColonelLubriderm]

I don't really have strong thoughts on very many people. I think Visor/Dolby are performing below my expectations of them, judging by past experience. They're usually more obviously town, pretty quickly, so I think they're underwhelming at present.

I'm thinking that pzelda is probably town, because the thoughts and how he's processing people are eerily similar to last game.

I think Esooa, GH, Hally, you, and Cuth are okay.

The rest I don't have particularly strong thoughts either way on.

I have a hard time characterizing Visor as performing below expectation at this point especially when you consider CSargo read the AMy call out(Note, not the longer case post but the shorter one correcting everyone misinterpreting Visor's read on Amy).

Like, what should visor be doing differently at this point?

part of the reason i switched vote to csargo

[Arapocalypse]

I think it's sort of towny? As in, I just feel like it's a towny thing for someone to look at a large post and talk about its length; not really something that I feel like mafia would be inclined to do!!!

As in, there's a decent amount of content in there; feels more like they'd feel obligated to talk about it a little!!

...It has come to my attention that Cuth is probably correct, oops!!!

I guess I should probably rectify that!!!!!!

[ColonelLubriderm]

i think wolves tend to have more of a filter in terms of what they post

esooa in particular is someone who'll probably post a lot as a wolf, but also try to make sure she's cultivating the right image

and that type of player tends to be less likely to just toss out an extremely surface level read that's never going to stick but is poking a bear and is in the range where it's not soft or hard enough to be a good look for them

SO I completely understand what you are saying here but I know GH won't get it, so for his benefit what would be your current lean on esooa

[GeneralHankerchief]

Town
pzelda | Hally | Esooa

Town enough
Ara | Visor

Town for now
Sunbae | Colonel | Csargo

Unsure/no data available
Cuth | Manasi | Maple | Monty

Concerns
Dolby | Ephemeral | Amy

Not really ordered within tiers. Going to bed now, will answer followups (if any) in the AM.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Town
pzelda | Hally | Esooa

Town enough
Ara | Visor

Town for now
Sunbae | Colonel | Csargo

Unsure/no data available
Cuth | Manasi | Maple | Monty

Concerns
Dolby | Ephemeral | Amy

Not really ordered within tiers. Going to bed now, will answer followups (if any) in the AM.

#theTimeGHforgotDyachei

[GeneralHankerchief]

#theTimeGHforgotDyachei

There's always one. dya probably goes in one of the two bottom categories, let's be generous and say "unsure/no data available" for now.

[ColonelLubriderm]

and now for something completely different.

I like to play sudokus while listening to lofi beats playlists.

who finds this relateable

[Visor]

and now for something completely different.

I like to play sudokus while listening to lofi beats playlists.

who finds this relateable

replace sudokus with sporcle and lofi beats with ambient music

[ColonelLubriderm]

I just had to google sporcle

i am intrigued

[Hally]

I like your reads, so I'll ignore you posting the otter after what you said last game and v-read you, ok?

pls let me in

your application is pending and will be processed in 3-5 business days

[Hally]

i

didn't read that as visor saying amy was v?

he called her a villager though?

[Hally]

i just realized how many new pages there are

i probably should not reply as i go sorry

[Hally]

Oh, that's two lists in a row with pZelda down pretty low so let me try and vibe check this one:

I think pZelda has been thinking about the game in a way that makes it extremely likely to be town. Their comments are not just talking the surface level of whats being said but rather are using what's being said, critically thinking about them, and applying them to different situations in a way that scum just rarely do. My largest example is this one:

Dya made this post:



and pZelda responded with this:



I think the way they read dya's post, see her talking about threadflow, and then take off in a different direction with the threadflow concept to talk about two entirely different people and adjust reads is a progression that scum rarely do. It requires a player to actually to be thinking about the game and how different threads connect which I've found town to be doing way more often whereas scum will be keeping the responses more narrowly focused on the people making the comment to who the people making the comment are discussing.


Secondly, I think pZelda has also show fluidity in their reads. In the already given example they are using the threadflow dya mentioned to understand GH's case better and remove Ephemeral from the towncore after putting him there earlier. There are other examples like how they went from "don't like sunbae's post about being out of the wolf rage" into liking me for my dya vote.

Anyways, I feel rather good about this one but see that others have pZelda lower so seems like a good spot to discuss it.

that capage post you quoted was what prompted me to say capage was my strongest v read

[Visor]

i can see someone coming away with that impression of visor depending on their definition of "laying low"

visor doesn't come out the gate playing villa captain, tossing reads around all over the place, writing GH level paragraphs, etc etc

but he IS around and he IS active and he IS reading the game and he IS making posts, which i suspect is where the disconnect is

fun fact, for quite a while, i did do that

not really anymore, but it was a big hallmark of my play being a villa captain

funny how times change

[Hally]

Vote: pzelda

Does anyone want to talk about why they townread this guy please?! There are about fifty zillion townreads of him in the thread and I seem to be missing the memo, as usual!!

He has given takes on things and such, that I don't find overly towny necessarily; felt a bit more like he was more !!!!!!!!!! about the stuff on him versus reads and things in a way that felt overly self-conscious in a way that I didn't like!!!!

this feels kinda villagery for ara specifically in like a “v!ara not playing the same game as everyone else” kind of way

(i know i said i wouldn’t reply as i go and will try to limit my responses as much as possible but this is just more natural for me and i’ll forget stuff otherwise. please don’t kill me)

[Hally]

Vote: Ampharos

I dig.

kinda weird that you didn’t even ask visor to explain the read before voting

[Csargo]

I have a hard time characterizing Visor as performing below expectation at this point especially when you consider CSargo read the AMy call out(Note, not the longer case post but the shorter one correcting everyone misinterpreting Visor's read on Amy).

Like, what should visor be doing differently at this point?

part of the reason i switched vote to csargo

I'm not sure what post you're referring too. I think Visor is fine now. I thought yesterday, tonally, he was flat and didn't think he was that engaging. That was my impression anyways. I expected something different from Visor this game, which probably skewed my view. I'm just gonna put him with GH and call them both town and never think about it again.

[Montmorency]

POST ONE (Soft)

Some brief context: GH + team of friends randed mafia in team mafia, hard tunneled 1 (obvious) town all day with a townie or two on the side which got vigged that night... and were also essentially treated as outed mafia for ??? reasons the next day!!

rofl

Tell me, uh, tell me more about this game!

AMONG US ??

Why do you think it's called that?

The "home Orgahs" - Monty, (kinda) Visor:

We played our same first game here

can i get a sanity check on this?

Holster your cards until D2.

i

didn't read that as visor saying amy was v?

This post formation always cuthilius a town?

I'm making a layered joke that is slightly serious.

incorrect i am the odd night tracker

It's against the rules to announce your character like that (Lord Argon)

The Second Punic War is everybody's favorite of the three. It's mine too

Second Punic War took out what, up to a quarter of the pre-war population of the peninsula? It helps that the brunt of the deaths were spread over a decade.

The manga adaptation, Ad Astra, has a touching epilogue. Really makes ya think.

i did make some longer posts in the metal gear game

idk

you will mostly see short snippy posts but i do occasionally branch out into the forbidden art of text walling

Get it, get it, until you're cheddarheaded. Watch the way I navigate.

[Hally]

Ah, okay; was wondering whether there was more stuff beyond that interaction!!!

Not really hyping about that in particular; I somewhat liked the thing about not wanting to immediately townread Hally/Ephemeral initially and then immediately doing it (mitigating factors for that though), but otherwise felt shrug!!

what did you like about amy’s thing with me/eph? to me it felt like the kinda thing that a wolf thinks they would say as a villager but actually wouldn’t. also the phrasing of “pocketing” made me feel like she was trying to pocket us. think ladd called it like a reverse pocket? or something. but like, that

[Montmorency]

POST TWO (Hard)

Everyone's got me rexlaxatived on GH by now.

I feel good enough about Ara and Hally to be wary of it.

Vote: Zelda

I see him riding dirty. Add him to the top swagons and we'll call it a day. Sorry Hally.

but what are your thoughts on his posts this game? i’m kinda hmm at you drawing a comparison to that gh wolf game where he pushed an obv villa. it feels kinda premature when you don’t even have a read on the person he’s pushing this game

That's just the impression I was conveying. The key components of the Nuzelock read were that khaan was obviously town, and GH was obviously pushing a bogus and forced agenda. Here my pattern detection was pinged, but the particulars don't rise to that level of intensity. As I have forgotten all meta and mechanics I ever learned, per my initial post, the fact of my having been pinged indicates that the substrate must have been scarring.

Regardless of meta, I did notice that Dolbster tended to avoid addressing GH at SOD, responding indirectly by continuing to develop his thoughts on . I have no opinion on that.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

That's because you weren't in it Visor, also hi

I just remember him yeeting khaan for a similar sort of read from what I remember, something along those lines. This is a lot more tame in comparison and from 3+ years ago. That's basically how I remember it.

You were his partner and leaned into the chaos. Zack dragged you to the gibbet kicking and screaming.

Note to GH: I have no thunderbolts to throw at you this game.

i guess i’m just taken aback because i expected gh to be more chill regardless of alignment given this is supposed to be a chill game and it’s on his home turf and everything

i feel like we’re all *gestures* here and he’s like *gestures more* up there on the tryhardiness scale

The only game I've played with GH in recent times he was tryhardy. Is it bad is it good is it meh? It seemed like he was trying to be chill and then for whatever reason took off. It's weird to me.

I feel like GH overreacted to Dolby, I'm not sure if it's unreasonable for him to do that or not, since I didn't think Dolby's read was above scrutiny tbh.

You mean Visor's game here a year ago. I figure I probably sussed GH D1.

Dyachei was scum in that one incidentally, vigged by Zack. Does Visor know something (Dyachei vote)?

I don't like this read. The way it's phrased makes me think Csargo *should* realize that the reason GH likely decided to point out things so much was because he's town, and noticed those, lol. It doesn't seem like the conclusion "it's weird to me" was derived from the things Csargo wrote beforehand

Unusual for a mafia-team to preplan TMI distancing analysis, so based on the process here Csargo-esoo not paired.

I thought he was kinda weird, like I said, and the stuff you said about the Eph read is weird. I share his suspicions on Dolby and in general I don't really think he's that bad. At worst I'm minorly concerned.

Frowny-face post. Feels strained. And I don't mean that in the sense of hedging, as literally every player with a read this game so far has been hedging.

Vote: Csargo

I think some of their posting has been a bit awkward in its construction.

Is the most notable example. The "i just remember thing from what I remember" section reads to me like they were looking to add a qualifier and ended up getting turned around and added it twice.

I also thought the repetitive usage of the word "weird" as a qualifier a few times in a short span about GH's postings was, well, weird in a "wanted to shade the person getting a bit of heat without actually calling them out hard" way.

This read is thin, I know.

Keep the pressure up.

Visor, Dolbster, remind us what happened D1 of Star Trek? This is how Pizza became so powerful by the way: the willingness to put in unlimited work and brainpower and connect dots like a chess algorithm and

I'm just trying to be simple, given my track record of reading you wrong pretty consistently.

I just haven't thought about my vote, because I don't view it as particularly important until later in the phase.

Vote:Dolby

Mixed feelings to the split response to the same zelda post.

Vote: Ephemeral

Still haven't been enthralled by his posts and want to give Amy a little space.

I think Csargo's looked a little townie in his latest bit of posting.

Contemporaneous mind-fenderbender.

I'm not sure what post you're referring too. I think Visor is fine now. I thought yesterday, tonally, he was flat and didn't think he was that engaging. That was my impression anyways. I expected something different from Visor this game, which probably skewed my view. I'm just gonna put him with GH and call them both town and never think about it again.

I feel like this post really ought to be indicative of something, but unfortunately I'm still drawing blank.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Dya just feels like a low energy wolf.

You would know something here, wouldn't you?

Anyway, I've noticed that both here and in Visor's Small Game, dyachei evenly spread his posts through the day, each a sentence or two in length. Is this nAI style, or is it a tell that dyachei has a very similar approach (post structure and frequency) to this game as he did to his other, scum, game here? I have no opinion on the content as such.

Vote: pzelda

Does anyone want to talk about why they townread this guy please?! There are about fifty zillion townreads of him in the thread and I seem to be missing the memo, as usual!!

He has given takes on things and such, that I don't find overly towny necessarily; felt a bit more like he was more !!!!!!!!!! about the stuff on him versus reads and things in a way that felt overly self-conscious in a way that I didn't like!!!!

I like the cut of your jib, but my latest flashback is telling me that zelda is usually self-conscious.

Monty is scum but he always gets killed earlier or later.

Hard to TR you with that kind of reasoning. Just saying, mafia who think they can reserve me as an easy ML later in the game tend to be disappointed (safest bet is to take me to LYLO and trick me into the wrong ouster).

Let’s play mason/roleblock/kill

I’ll start

Dolby/csargo/ TBD but manasi for the laughs

I'm not dark enough a force to kill or block?

Montmorency seems like the type of person that attracts heat.

Hmm... heat, but not light? Hard to say.

[Hally]

Dunkin' Donuts: Part 1

the first post is performative, making a show of things (and worth contrasting to the later post re sunbae). it also is just tonally off for the position of the thread, its making a grand statement where at that point a lot of people already villa read those slots. plus i think it is in amys wolf tone wheelhouse

sunbae post: two problemos, one is the meta narrative behind pulling away village reads on sunbae, and the other is the word choice, wack. first part: obv sunbae is a good player, but most of us are good players and make good tonal posts, while sunbae could probably make the posts he made as either alignment, in the end that doesnt matter and you have to start somewhere. i don't think the paranoia around sunbae slot makes sense for how you treat the hally/eph slots. the bigger issue imo is the word choice wack, firstly it shades the ppl who make those reads implicitly through dark forces. second thing is that its the wrong word choice, the words you expect to see here are: weird, strange, wild, etc. wack is a stylistic choice that wolves make to appear with it.

townreading me: amy struggled to townread me most of the inviational game until the gh/newc section (which is fine), but she also expressed she has had trouble reading me in the past. it seems strange to me, to place such an early townread on me, when historically you say you have had trouble reading me, when i haven't done a huge amoutn of solving thus far in the game, and i am well known for making offtopic/joke posts as either alignment (as a person in general). ppl who know me might lean one way or another, but it feels weird for me to be a village read when i haven't kicked on to anything yet

there's no paranoia over my posts here, but we should be paranoid over sunbae for posting things that sound fine? sunbae could be a wolf and i am wrong here, but it should be fine to villaread sunbae for stuff, we are gonna examine him later if he survives anyway.

thx for attending my ted talk, see you bronanas tomorrow.

i don’t get the part about using “wack” but i like the other stuff a lot

also visor is probably just v. i’ve never seen him wolf but i don’t really think w!him takes this kind of line

[Hally]

yeppers

i read that string of posts when i was catching up this morning and was debating in my head about whether or not to talk about them

and then i saw visor had the same impression and was like sick i don't have to use my words

but i agree wholeheartedly

i don't think that teasing away strong early reads is Wolfy, i don't think that hally and eph are bad reads to have, i don't think criticizing people calling out gh for tryharding is Wrong

i do think they are weird things to do, and the last one is particularly soapbox-y

but it all feels like she's going through the motions and i really don't like the reaction to visor

re: bolded - why wouldn’t you?

[Ampharos]

i think wolves tend to have more of a filter in terms of what they post

esooa in particular is someone who'll probably post a lot as a wolf, but also try to make sure she's cultivating the right image

and that type of player tends to be less likely to just toss out an extremely surface level read that's never going to stick but is poking a bear and is in the range where it's not soft or hard enough to be a good look for them

this is the first cuth post that i've had any sort of feeling about

feel pretty ok about it

[Hally]

@Hally getting back to your question from earlier in the day, I no longer believe that Visor and Amy could be paired.

thanks chief, dunno what i’d do without you

[Hally]

i actually don’t hate amy’s response

[Ampharos]

Vote: dyachei

how am i supposed to click buttons when there's no buttons to click

[Ampharos]

i actually don’t hate amy’s response

thanks boss i don't either