Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Raskolnikov]

probably ~never optimal to heal rask here unless he claims something

Heh that's probably true.
I am vanilla townie. Get over it.

[Raskolnikov]

I have no regrets

lmao.

[Montmorency]

Unaccountable mindmelds with GH in late day, but I don't get why he didn't acknowledge that I had voted Csargo for him.

On one hand, if dyachei (or Rask to some extent) is scum, Colonel and Maple need to die, but given the lack of self-pres from either Csargo or dyachei, and the way Rask and Csargo behaved toward dyachei's slot, there's a distinct possibility of all-town wagons.

But don't heal Rask, if applicable.

Rask-town and dyach-scum would be ideal in clearing 5 players till LYLO and guaranteeing a couple scum on Csargo wagon. Table for now.

If all town wagons, Dolbster's attitude toward EOD looks a little PIS.


On night-kill speculation, Sunbae feels more like SPK than a counter-suss kill (if there's a term for it).

[dyachei]

? Your wording is weird. I made stuff up? like I had an agenda asking Visor about his reads? I wanted to look involved and/or engaged?

Yeah, solving. let me read more before I can get to it. You say it yourself, so what is this post for?

just notes for myself as I'm going through some isos

i didnt say you lied, i think you exaggerated something though and I dont know to what end

[Hally]

dya, talk about your esooa push yesterDay? i find it kinda hard to believe that was a genuine read from you

[Raskolnikov]

sunbae probably right on village reads and had pzelda high. he had good reasons for it, too. put him in towncore with ara and bop

came around on gh villa, too

adds hally as well

I think i might just take his word on pzelda for the time being. was already feeling alright about ara and gh

hally requires a lot of work to read accurately and I'm not gonna get into that yet

Who is bop dya? ColonelL?

[Raskolnikov]

just notes for myself as I'm going through some isos

i didnt say you lied, i think you exaggerated something though and I dont know to what end

Care to quote? pls

[dyachei]

Care to quote? pls

i'm already out of your iso but you mentioned isoing me after talking to visor and I saw 1 little mention of isoing like 5 people before that

[Raskolnikov]

Unaccountable mindmelds with GH in late day, but I don't get why he didn't acknowledge that I had voted Csargo for him.

On one hand, if dyachei (or Rask to some extent) is scum, Colonel and Maple need to die, but given the lack of self-pres from either Csargo or dyachei, and the way Rask and Csargo behaved toward dyachei's slot, there's a distinct possibility of all-town wagons.

But don't heal Rask, if applicable.

Rask-town and dyach-scum would be ideal in clearing 5 players till LYLO and guaranteeing a couple scum on Csargo wagon. Table for now.

If all town wagons, Dolbster's attitude toward EOD looks a little PIS.


On night-kill speculation, Sunbae feels more like SPK than a counter-suss kill (if there's a term for it).

lol. If everybody is OK to flip me already, go ahead. I advise maj if applicable so I don't go through the 20 pages + I have to go through.

[dyachei]

dya, talk about your esooa push yesterDay? i find it kinda hard to believe that was a genuine read from you

idk, when i village i know why i vote for people. it's really foreign to me to not remember why you voted for someone.

like even if it's just for wagon symmetry, i know why

if you care enough to vote someone, you know why

when i wolf, I don't remember who i vote or the reasons as well. More likely to make it up or forget

[GeneralHankerchief]

The only real game-related thought I had overnight (aside from regret that I was one of the major tipping points to put Csar over the top) was that I think bop (AKA Colonel) is a slot of interest. I don't think it's a slot that should be, needs to be, or is going to be resolved today, but I do remember him being instrumental in advocating for the d1 chop being in exactly Csargo/Rask/dya. I'm hesitant about even putting this read out there since I think he was still kinda townie on his own merits and it's a reasonable enough take to have in a vacuum regardless of alignment, but I want people to keep it in mind depending on how other flips go in the future.

Beyond that, I think I'm going to scale down my participation at least in the first half of D2. I kind of just want to passively take things in, let the game flow through and around me, and see where I'm at with feelings. If you have specific questions for me that absolutely need to be answered, I will try to do so, but for the most part I'm probably just going to take a 10,000 foot view of the thread and see where I am after a bit of that.

The one pre-empt for any questions: No, I didn't do much (re)evaluation on people overnight beyond my thoughts about bop/Colonel that I posted above. I do not have a current preference for who I'd like to see go down at this moment, but despite what I said above, it's "not bop".

[Raskolnikov]

i'm already out of your iso but you mentioned isoing me after talking to visor and I saw 1 little mention of isoing like 5 people before that

I have ISOed Visor, Csargo, Ampharos, and you. Csargo more briefly since I felt good about him and it was the longer.
It was usefull to get a least a quick take on things, but I still haven't read day 1 fully.

I will articulate my reads better as I get them, but I am unlikely to wall, to wallquote, etc... and I won't post reads if I haven't. (I will retract this asa I start making reaction test )

[dyachei]

0-1 mafia:
hally
dolby


0-2 mafia
sunbae
gh
visor
cuth

1-4 mafia
ephemeral
pzelda
maple
arapocalypse
esooa

2-4 mafia
dyachei
ampharos
csargo
montmorency
manasi

this seems ind of weird because iirc he thought monty was lhf?

but reading the rest of bop's iso i like that he's looking at small details to make his reads. like the thing about visor's mindset not being what they would be thinking

[Hally]

idk, when i village i know why i vote for people. it's really foreign to me to not remember why you voted for someone.

like even if it's just for wagon symmetry, i know why

if you care enough to vote someone, you know why

when i wolf, I don't remember who i vote or the reasons as well. More likely to make it up or forget

meh, i just feel like this a really cheap reason to wolf read someone. imo it’s the kinda thing that’s easy to paint as wolfy but is actually NAI and i feel like you know that

but w/e, i’m gonna let you do your thing since you seem to be trying to get into the game now

[Raskolnikov]

The only real game-related thought I had overnight (aside from regret that I was one of the major tipping points to put Csar over the top) was that I think bop (AKA Colonel) is a slot of interest. I don't think it's a slot that should be, needs to be, or is going to be resolved today, but I do remember him being instrumental in advocating for the d1 chop being in exactly Csargo/Rask/dya. I'm hesitant about even putting this read out there since I think he was still kinda townie on his own merits and it's a reasonable enough take to have in a vacuum regardless of alignment, but I want people to keep it in mind depending on how other flips go in the future.

Beyond that, I think I'm going to scale down my participation at least in the first half of D2. I kind of just want to passively take things in, let the game flow through and around me, and see where I'm at with feelings. If you have specific questions for me that absolutely need to be answered, I will try to do so, but for the most part I'm probably just going to take a 10,000 foot view of the thread and see where I am after a bit of that.

The one pre-empt for any questions: No, I didn't do much (re)evaluation on people overnight beyond my thoughts about bop/Colonel that I posted above. I do not have a current preference for who I'd like to see go down at this moment, but despite what I said above, it's "not bop".

Him pushing for Dya would at least be coherent with poisoning me :popcorn:

[dyachei]

all in all i lean bop light v right now

[dyachei]

meh, i just feel like this a really cheap reason to wolf read someone. imo it’s the kinda thing that’s easy to paint as wolfy but is actually NAI and i feel like you know that

but w/e, i’m gonna let you do your thing since you seem to be trying to get into the game now

nah, its one of those things people don't think about before they say it

not really cheap at all just comparing perspectives between alignments

you don't have to agree with me, but i bet you remembered why we voted everyone in team game

[Montmorency]

If all-town wagons D1, my bold and hilarious tinfoil: Hally-GH-Dolb-Ara (Zelda in reserve)

lol. If everybody is OK to flip me already, go ahead. I advise maj if applicable so I don't go through the 20 pages + I have to go through.

Maybe Pizza would say something like, you should be healed if someone is going to fake-claim doctor and the real doctor protects the fakeclaim to negate a kill. With another hidden layer of strategy that I can't simulate.

I would put you at better than-rand town based on EOD, but my intuition is that your poisoner was the vig, not Mafia. This is informed by the last poisoner game here, XCOM, in which Cuth (?) was poisoner and I was doctor and a scumbag got poisoned (but we lost because, among other things, despite all my protects being correct the Mafia had unlimited strongman IIRC )

The only real game-related thought I had overnight (aside from regret that I was one of the major tipping points to put Csar over the top) was that I think bop (AKA Colonel) is a slot of interest. I don't think it's a slot that should be, needs to be, or is going to be resolved today, but I do remember him being instrumental in advocating for the d1 chop being in exactly Csargo/Rask/dya. I'm hesitant about even putting this read out there since I think he was still kinda townie on his own merits and it's a reasonable enough take to have in a vacuum regardless of alignment, but I want people to keep it in mind depending on how other flips go in the future.

Beyond that, I think I'm going to scale down my participation at least in the first half of D2. I kind of just want to passively take things in, let the game flow through and around me, and see where I'm at with feelings. If you have specific questions for me that absolutely need to be answered, I will try to do so, but for the most part I'm probably just going to take a 10,000 foot view of the thread and see where I am after a bit of that.

The one pre-empt for any questions: No, I didn't do much (re)evaluation on people overnight beyond my thoughts about bop/Colonel that I posted above. I do not have a current preference for who I'd like to see go down at this moment, but despite what I said above, it's "not bop".

Mindmeld again.

I really want to know - you announced you were going to rebalance wagons with a Csargo vote at a set time, I explicitly preempted you, and you still voted Csargo (which I didn't expect and kind of choked me). Did you overlook my vote?

[Raskolnikov]

meh, i just feel like this a really cheap reason to wolf read someone. imo it’s the kinda thing that’s easy to paint as wolfy but is actually NAI and i feel like you know that

but w/e, i’m gonna let you do your thing since you seem to be trying to get into the game now

I agree 100%. When you factor in the number of games Esooa is involved (and some drunk posting at times), you can see how that can happen. Beside admitting it is totally townie imo.

[Arapocalypse]

Obvious thoughts are to not heal Raskolnikov; I see people are already there though, nice!!!

I'm going to try and refrain from posting overly much today as well, don't really want to overly !!!!!!!! the thread again!!

Raskolnikov, it'd be easier to just treat you as confirmed town and try to solve with you today... that being said, what quick takes did you end up with from your ISOs thus far? Or if you want to save it for later after you've read more, that's cool too; no rush!!!

There is no maj in this game, as a note!

I still need to reread EoD; last thoughts from just after the flip were that I liked Dolby's presence!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

I really want to know - you announced you were going to rebalance wagons with a Csargo vote at a set time, I explicitly preempted you, and you still voted Csargo (which I didn't expect and kind of choked me). Did you overlook my vote?

My primary goal at EOD was to keep dya alive. I had them as least likely to flip mafia between the top three wagons we had, and did not want to risk it coming down to a rand. I didn't intend to "rebalance wagons", as you put it, I intended to save dya. I felt like Csargo was always more likely to be the more viable non-dya target at EOD there (just from threadfeel), but if the situations were somewhat reversed, I would have hopped from Csargo to Rask to accomplish the same goal. Your vote helped with that, but it wasn't the primary factor in my thinking.

[ColonelLubriderm]

The only real game-related thought I had overnight (aside from regret that I was one of the major tipping points to put Csar over the top) was that I think bop (AKA Colonel) is a slot of interest. I don't think it's a slot that should be, needs to be, or is going to be resolved today, but I do remember him being instrumental in advocating for the d1 chop being in exactly Csargo/Rask/dya. I'm hesitant about even putting this read out there since I think he was still kinda townie on his own merits and it's a reasonable enough take to have in a vacuum regardless of alignment, but I want people to keep it in mind depending on how other flips go in the future.

Beyond that, I think I'm going to scale down my participation at least in the first half of D2. I kind of just want to passively take things in, let the game flow through and around me, and see where I'm at with feelings. If you have specific questions for me that absolutely need to be answered, I will try to do so, but for the most part I'm probably just going to take a 10,000 foot view of the thread and see where I am after a bit of that.

The one pre-empt for any questions: No, I didn't do much (re)evaluation on people overnight beyond my thoughts about bop/Colonel that I posted above. I do not have a current preference for who I'd like to see go down at this moment, but despite what I said above, it's "not bop".

tl;dr

GH has a heavy flow

[Hally]

any of the org folk have a read on monty i can sponge?

[GeneralHankerchief]

tl;dr

GH has a heavy flow

nah that's in a couple hours

I had McDonald's tonight

[dyachei]

I can't do too much more tonight ISO wise. only have like 30 mins i nthe the thread rn but willing to talk about stuff with people

[ColonelLubriderm]

nah that's in a couple hours

I had McDonald's tonight

i had these spicy honey bbq wings and i cried they were so spicy.

in 12 hours i will cry again

[Hally]

My primary goal at EOD was to keep dya alive. I had them as least likely to flip mafia between the top three wagons we had, and did not want to risk it coming down to a rand. I didn't intend to "rebalance wagons", as you put it, I intended to save dya. I felt like Csargo was always more likely to be the more viable non-dya target at EOD there (just from threadfeel), but if the situations were somewhat reversed, I would have hopped from Csargo to Rask to accomplish the same goal. Your vote helped with that, but it wasn't the primary factor in my thinking.

can you talk more about dya? you didn’t think they were even a bit >rand wolf D1?

[GeneralHankerchief]

any of the org folk have a read on monty i can sponge?

I currently have him as town but it's a low-confidence read.

[Visor]

gh/dya w/w

change my mind.

[Hally]

I can't do too much more tonight ISO wise. only have like 30 mins i nthe the thread rn but willing to talk about stuff with people

we can talk about whatever

who da woofs, etc