Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Hally]

oh ok, that 5-5-4 vote count is very close to the deadline so i guess rask was viable up until the very end

[Hally]

idk what to do

i’m trying to play devil’s advocate and talk myself out of cuth being a wolf but i’m losing

[ColonelLubriderm]

can someone check if eph’s reads were much different than mine? i’m on mobile and it’s hard to iso and find posts

i’m just wondering if there’s a reason he died over me beyond “failed vig hunt lol” but iirc we agreed on pretty much everything?

I would imagine they are just killing people they are not misyeeting.

Looking into it any deeper than that is just wifom

[Hally]

@Manasi hi. please do things. the game is pretty small atm and you should be able to contribute

[Cuthillius]

hi hally

the good news is that i'm not a wolf

however

there is a case to be made, depending on your point of view

that that is also bad news

either way

anything you'd like to know/like me to address in particular?

[ColonelLubriderm]

idk what to do

i’m trying to play devil’s advocate and talk myself out of cuth being a wolf but i’m losing

wait til he posts before you make a decision imo

[Cuthillius]

wait til he posts before you make a decision imo

and now lock it in

[Cuthillius]

hm

i might do the thing

i've always wanted to do this but it's never quite been necessary lol

[Hally]

hi hally

the good news is that i'm not a wolf

however

there is a case to be made, depending on your point of view

that that is also bad news

either way

anything you'd like to know/like me to address in particular?

yes

i want to know why you still think monty is a wolf. do you not think he’s been villagery at all lately? what do you think of the way he wanted to dome manti? have you looked at how dolby talked about monty/how monty responded and do you have any thoughts on it? how’s your day going?

[Hally]

hm

i might do the thing

i've always wanted to do this but it's never quite been necessary lol

are you gonna transform into sailor moon

[Cuthillius]

hm this would work better if i'd actually posted more content this game, in retrospect

[Hally]

to be blunt cuth, i don’t like how you’re continuing to hold on to monty being a wolf after he has, imo, 1) gotten more villagery and 2) is possibly spewed v by how dolby talked about him

it reads like a wolf who doesn’t wanna let a mislunch go/doesn’t have other viable avenues besides doubling down

[Hally]

hm this would work better if i'd actually posted more content this game, in retrospect

i don’t know what you’re on about but yes, that would indeed have been helpful

[Cuthillius]

day's going pretty well so far, i stayed up too late last night and feel it a bit rn but we celebrated what would have been my grandma's hundredth birthday and had some rum cake that didn't have the slightest hint of rum flavor in it and sat around and talked about vitamin c and otters and the ingestion of heavy metals

i have a switch now for some reason and started playing some breath of the wild yesterday and that's been great

it's like the real open world experience where you can be like "sure i'm supposed to go in this direction and do Story Things but i literally don't have do and oo that bridge looks cool i wonder what's on the other side and i'm off doing my thing in some forest many hours off the main track of the Story

and it's just really pretty and great

[Hally]

day's going pretty well so far, i stayed up too late last night and feel it a bit rn but we celebrated what would have been my grandma's hundredth birthday and had some rum cake that didn't have the slightest hint of rum flavor in it and sat around and talked about vitamin c and otters and the ingestion of heavy metals

i have a switch now for some reason and started playing some breath of the wild yesterday and that's been great

it's like the real open world experience where you can be like "sure i'm supposed to go in this direction and do Story Things but i literally don't have do and oo that bridge looks cool i wonder what's on the other side and i'm off doing my thing in some forest many hours off the main track of the Story

and it's just really pretty and great

sounds pretty sweet. that sounds like a very you game :P

[ColonelLubriderm]

day's going pretty well so far, i stayed up too late last night and feel it a bit rn but we celebrated what would have been my grandma's hundredth birthday and had some rum cake that didn't have the slightest hint of rum flavor in it and sat around and talked about vitamin c and otters and the ingestion of heavy metals

i have a switch now for some reason and started playing some breath of the wild yesterday and that's been great

it's like the real open world experience where you can be like "sure i'm supposed to go in this direction and do Story Things but i literally don't have do and oo that bridge looks cool i wonder what's on the other side and i'm off doing my thing in some forest many hours off the main track of the Story

and it's just really pretty and great

botw great game

[Cuthillius]

to be blunt cuth, i don’t like how you’re continuing to hold on to monty being a wolf after he has, imo, 1) gotten more villagery and 2) is possibly spewed v by how dolby talked about him

it reads like a wolf who doesn’t wanna let a mislunch go/doesn’t have other viable avenues besides doubling down

i'll check dolby

but i really didn't like his d2 at all, and the pivot d3 reminds me a lot of a very similar game i played on mtgs where town was getting swept and i was also sort of in this place in the poe and calling people wolves and the villagers were like what idk man and it was pretty blatant when you looked at who'd been pushing villagers/wolves/re-evaluating all game

and after i did that one of the wolves did a pretty obvious pivot in thread and started bussing/buddying up to the top villagers and basically ended up winning off of that (i shot the only wolf who died that day but was NKed the same night)

this may change upon reread, but my current impression is that most of the people in this game are extremely villagery and i don't think i'm gonna reconsider most of them at any point

which means it's a pretty small poe, and in this crowd sitting back and doing nothing isn't a viable long-term strategy, because villagers here are competent enough to post them clear (see: manti question mark)

monty's approach yesterday on a macro level is literally exactly what i'd expect from a wolf here, trying to keep things from getting locked in, soft-shielding logic, generally moving orthogonally to what i think the ideal direction is

and i don't think from the medium amount i know about monty people are really reading his posting (and not commenting about spew) entirely accurately/might have a different impression of him as a player than me and as such see what he's done as more villagery than it is

either way

it really is a size of the poe thing, i'm not 100% there but it's basically my only "wolf read" and not just "they are just sort of there and they're not being absurdly villager"

[Hally]

to be blunt cuth, i don’t like how you’re continuing to hold on to monty being a wolf after he has, imo, 1) gotten more villagery and 2) is possibly spewed v by how dolby talked about him

it reads like a wolf who doesn’t wanna let a mislunch go/doesn’t have other viable avenues besides doubling down

i probably shouldn’t have made this post because i don’t want you to feel like you’re constantly having to respond to people’s reads on you and can’t do other stuff. it’s probably better if we all just give you space to do whatever you’re gonna do and reserve judgment for a while

[Hally]

nice x post

[Hally]

i'll check dolby

but i really didn't like his d2 at all, and the pivot d3 reminds me a lot of a very similar game i played on mtgs where town was getting swept and i was also sort of in this place in the poe and calling people wolves and the villagers were like what idk man and it was pretty blatant when you looked at who'd been pushing villagers/wolves/re-evaluating all game

and after i did that one of the wolves did a pretty obvious pivot in thread and started bussing/buddying up to the top villagers and basically ended up winning off of that (i shot the only wolf who died that day but was NKed the same night)

this may change upon reread, but my current impression is that most of the people in this game are extremely villagery and i don't think i'm gonna reconsider most of them at any point

which means it's a pretty small poe, and in this crowd sitting back and doing nothing isn't a viable long-term strategy, because villagers here are competent enough to post them clear (see: manti question mark)

monty's approach yesterday on a macro level is literally exactly what i'd expect from a wolf here, trying to keep things from getting locked in, soft-shielding logic, generally moving orthogonally to what i think the ideal direction is

and i don't think from the medium amount i know about monty people are really reading his posting (and not commenting about spew) entirely accurately/might have a different impression of him as a player than me and as such see what he's done as more villagery than it is

either way

it really is a size of the poe thing, i'm not 100% there but it's basically my only "wolf read" and not just "they are just sort of there and they're not being absurdly villager"

can you expand on the bolded?

[Cuthillius]

i probably shouldn’t have made this post because i don’t want you to feel like you’re constantly having to respond to people’s reads on you and can’t do other stuff. it’s probably better if we all just give you space to do whatever you’re gonna do and reserve judgment for a while

no no it's good light a fire under me i actually appreciate it

[Hally]

specifically interested in what you think the discrepancy is between how we’re viewing monty and how you are and why that exists iyo

[ColonelLubriderm]

i'll check dolby

but i really didn't like his d2 at all, and the pivot d3 reminds me a lot of a very similar game i played on mtgs where town was getting swept and i was also sort of in this place in the poe and calling people wolves and the villagers were like what idk man and it was pretty blatant when you looked at who'd been pushing villagers/wolves/re-evaluating all game

and after i did that one of the wolves did a pretty obvious pivot in thread and started bussing/buddying up to the top villagers and basically ended up winning off of that (i shot the only wolf who died that day but was NKed the same night)

this may change upon reread, but my current impression is that most of the people in this game are extremely villagery and i don't think i'm gonna reconsider most of them at any point

which means it's a pretty small poe, and in this crowd sitting back and doing nothing isn't a viable long-term strategy, because villagers here are competent enough to post them clear (see: manti question mark)

monty's approach yesterday on a macro level is literally exactly what i'd expect from a wolf here, trying to keep things from getting locked in, soft-shielding logic, generally moving orthogonally to what i think the ideal direction is

and i don't think from the medium amount i know about monty people are really reading his posting (and not commenting about spew) entirely accurately/might have a different impression of him as a player than me and as such see what he's done as more villagery than it is

either way

it really is a size of the poe thing, i'm not 100% there but it's basically my only "wolf read" and not just "they are just sort of there and they're not being absurdly villager"

I agree with everything you say here about monte

[Cuthillius]

can you expand on the bolded?

i will probably wait on that until i actually reread the posts in question

but part of what i'm talking about is if you've never seen someone and they post like ok and then they dial it up and post more and longer and better thoughts you're like wow they really care and are engaged

and often that's the case

but if you know someone is capable of the latter in a lot of situations you might not be as influenced by the uptick

for example if someone had never played with me, or had only played with me semi-recently, they'd probably think for the most part i don't do that much or get that engaged in games

and those people would be very surprised by a big swing in persuasiveness/eloquence/engagement because they have no way of knowing i have that in my toolbox

and probably read it as more significant, whether villagery or not, than people who've seen me wall many times before

and i think it's quite possible here that some people's read on monty (and, i'll admit, i feel something similar in a way about my read on manti) has to do with "oh that's different and better"

without necessarily the same sense of... what is or is not in his general range

i'd be curious to hear visor's thoughts on all this because he's the person who actually has a lot of experience with monty, but

[ColonelLubriderm]

let's say that monte flips wolf, but manasi ends up being a villa.

What do you think in that world?

[Maple]

hm this would work better if i'd actually posted more content this game, in retrospect

What's your claim?

[Hally]

i will probably wait on that until i actually reread the posts in question

but part of what i'm talking about is if you've never seen someone and they post like ok and then they dial it up and post more and longer and better thoughts you're like wow they really care and are engaged

and often that's the case

but if you know someone is capable of the latter in a lot of situations you might not be as influenced by the uptick

for example if someone had never played with me, or had only played with me semi-recently, they'd probably think for the most part i don't do that much or get that engaged in games

and those people would be very surprised by a big swing in persuasiveness/eloquence/engagement because they have no way of knowing i have that in my toolbox

and probably read it as more significant, whether villagery or not, than people who've seen me wall many times before

and i think it's quite possible here that some people's read on monty (and, i'll admit, i feel something similar in a way about my read on manti) has to do with "oh that's different and better"

without necessarily the same sense of... what is or is not in his general range

i'd be curious to hear visor's thoughts on all this because he's the person who actually has a lot of experience with monty, but

as in, you’ve seen/guess that monty’s recent posting is in his wolf rage too and therefore we shouldn’t v read it just because it’s better than the stuff that came before? have you seen him make posts like he did last day as a wolf?

[Hally]

i think (?) visor did say he didn’t think monty’s posts last day were out of his wolf range but that it’s moot because dolby probably spewed him v

[Hally]

regardless of where we land on cuth i really would like some pressure on manasi to try to get her to do ~something~

[Cuthillius]

i don't know as much about wolf range in terms of behavior (insofar as we can discern any of that given the flips so far) as like emotional/posting range

and while i'm not saying that's by any means all of what people's reads hinge on i do think it plays into them to a certain extent, just like you all will probably start reconsidering your opinions of alignment the more words and thoughts i put into the thread

but i think the effect is exaggerated when it's not someone you're familiar with, and since monty's playstyle is... somewhat obscure in terms of overlap with most people, i think that aspect is something we're more prone to read into than we would be if his play was more

traditional

for lack of a better word