Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Cuthillius]

Visor, where's your head at on our good colonel?

[pzelda]

my ampharos thoughts:

Warning people to not villa read sunbae easily is probably not something !Wampharos does if concerned that !Vsunbae is getting townread. I believe that !Vsunbae, even on a new site is not going to be a miselimination du jour so warnign people to be careful is probably not wolf indicative.

I believed the above until Sunbae said that this is different to how she treated him in a previous game as village so now I am concerned that Ampharos could be warning people to becareful because she thinks that she would do that as a villager. Still huge margin for her being just a villa sayign this as a villa and just having a different reaction for any amount of reasons.

Concern level: mild

That's a good point about Sunbae and possibly about Amy. I might be stretching it here, but even keeping Sunbae in discussion might be enough sometimes. Like it's easy to just call strong town players towns and don't care about them, but it also narrows discussion. If you can bring them up from time to time, it makes it easier to fake solve. Also, Sunbae at that point was far from universally townread, so it wasn't like a super, against the thread take, imho.

[Visor]

Visor, where's your head at on our good colonel?

seems okay so far

dude is a pretty good wolf so nothing clearing but seems ok

[pzelda]

I have pzelda low solely because of them attributing sometheing to visor(IIRC about laying low early on) which is something i just don't think ever actually crosses visor's mind in practice so i was concerned it was a fabricated read. But I don't hate where they are currently pushing or the results of other reads so i'm not gonna harp on it too much other than this.

Tbh, my Visor read isn't exactly locked. I don't think I would vote him today unless he returns and posts wolfy. It's just that I have more reasons to sr him now than to tr him now.
To dive into meta a little, I'm rarely paranoid about Visor and I usually balls to the wall townread him, when I feel like he might be town. Here, I don't get it. I might be forcing it a little into a scumread, because I find that more interesting than keeping him in nulls.

[pzelda]

ok i read a couple posts this morning and i just want to say

i 98% think amy is a wolf and my vote there is entirely serious, i just wanted to finish the refernece

i will dumpster amy later (and it annoys me that ppl who are not me are gonna get credit because i went to bed lol :P)

this changes things, i guess. I need to take some time to consider how.

[pzelda]

1)Is Colonel Bop? I wonder why his reads are so different from mine. I really just wonder, because I find myself agreeing with most of my other townreads. Is it a different approach to processing people? I would like to see into that to learn something new, but I don't think it's really important alignment-wise.
2)Cuth was difficult to read at first, but I think his approach is too careless to be wolf. Ok, wolves can be careless, but he's also decent and questioning other people and evaluating the gamestate.
3)If I compare Visor's and Amy's returns, the former is flashier and it immediately made me wanna sheep Visor. BUT after thinking about it for a while I'm not that sure if he's that townier than Amy and I need to reread his posts. Tbh, I'm willing to blindly follow town Visor and his strong reads. The one good thing is that he managed to purge my pre-flip w/w association.

[pzelda]

I haven't reread Visor yet, but I have a thought. Why would scum Visor lock himself in a fight with Amy here? I think it would make him a likely d2 kill or at least put him under serious pressure later on (if Amy gets yeeted and flips town). Visor probably is capable of risking that, but there are subtler ways to do it than to return in thread guns blazing. I'm just getting a vibe that scum Visor would be a sneakier creature.

[pzelda]

More thoughts before diving into Visor. I think that Colonel's read are actually off. Dolby dropped few meta bombs and disappeared (might be irl circumstances), but I think that relying on previous games too heavily is more indicative of scum and he shouldn't be anyone's top town. Csargo is difficult to read, but he's a lovely fella and I think that putting him in wolves is a cheap move. Balls to the wall, Csargo's more likely town here and that read is too strong for too little. I also think that town Visor is capable of making a laser precise read on Csargo by d2.

Monty is scum but he always gets killed earlier or later. He's not the best possible elimination today. Dya probably scum, but there's a big question mark of her being tired for real. In that case yeeting someone else might be more informative as there are more than three other solid candidates for wolves. I believe Amy/Visor contains one (very likely Amy), Eph/Dolbster probably includes a wolf and there are several other players, who are far from locked.

I'm getting tired and my english is getting more broken. I'm sorry for that.

[pzelda]

tbh, there are still posts from Visor, which make me wee uncertain (mostly his sod friendly chatting with Csargo and GH), but I like his take on Dolby, his vote on Dya and the way he approached Amy. All that combined I'm willing to call him town and follow his lead.

Unvote: Montomercy
Vote: Ampharos

[GeneralHankerchief]

Visor, what are your specific thoughts on Amy? I'm aware that you think she's mafia but would like a bit of a foundation as to why you got to 98% confidence.

[Visor]

I came into this saying I wasn't going to get pocketed by the pogchamps and then immediately started townreading Hally and Ephemeral. Eph just feels super comfortable and I really liked Hally's "X Y and Z towncore with me?" post as well as their "Ara has rocks in her brain" post.

incidentally i have rocks in my brain

Ara might be a villager but I suck at reading Ara so I'm gonna ruminate on it for a bit.

The fact that GH is getting called tryhard is really funny to me because I think y'all's perspective of what tryharding is is super warped. I'm lightly townreading his current level of engagement with the thread with the caveat that I would feel really bad if he randed wolf again and might just be #wanting.

i have no wolfreads and i'm probably not posting much more tonight, get at me

i don't think anything sunbae's posted has been alignment indicative and i think it's kinda wack that he's copping townreads already

possible, but i think there's also a natural inclination to townread sunbae because he's a nice dude who writes nice posts that make you nod along

i just think it's too early to be making that call when he's also perfectly capable of faking it

mm

visor's prolly town

Dunkin' Donuts: Part 1

the first post is performative, making a show of things (and worth contrasting to the later post re sunbae). it also is just tonally off for the position of the thread, its making a grand statement where at that point a lot of people already villa read those slots. plus i think it is in amys wolf tone wheelhouse

sunbae post: two problemos, one is the meta narrative behind pulling away village reads on sunbae, and the other is the word choice, wack. first part: obv sunbae is a good player, but most of us are good players and make good tonal posts, while sunbae could probably make the posts he made as either alignment, in the end that doesnt matter and you have to start somewhere. i don't think the paranoia around sunbae slot makes sense for how you treat the hally/eph slots. the bigger issue imo is the word choice wack, firstly it shades the ppl who make those reads implicitly through dark forces. second thing is that its the wrong word choice, the words you expect to see here are: weird, strange, wild, etc. wack is a stylistic choice that wolves make to appear with it.

townreading me: amy struggled to townread me most of the inviational game until the gh/newc section (which is fine), but she also expressed she has had trouble reading me in the past. it seems strange to me, to place such an early townread on me, when historically you say you have had trouble reading me, when i haven't done a huge amoutn of solving thus far in the game, and i am well known for making offtopic/joke posts as either alignment (as a person in general). ppl who know me might lean one way or another, but it feels weird for me to be a village read when i haven't kicked on to anything yet

there's no paranoia over my posts here, but we should be paranoid over sunbae for posting things that sound fine? sunbae could be a wolf and i am wrong here, but it should be fine to villaread sunbae for stuff, we are gonna examine him later if he survives anyway.

thx for attending my ted talk, see you bronanas tomorrow.

[Visor]

the crux of the post for me is the tonal structure of sentences/word choices really pings me

ymmv

and nice cross post gh

[Cuthillius]

yeppers

i read that string of posts when i was catching up this morning and was debating in my head about whether or not to talk about them

and then i saw visor had the same impression and was like sick i don't have to use my words

but i agree wholeheartedly

i don't think that teasing away strong early reads is Wolfy, i don't think that hally and eph are bad reads to have, i don't think criticizing people calling out gh for tryharding is Wrong

i do think they are weird things to do, and the last one is particularly soapbox-y

but it all feels like she's going through the motions and i really don't like the reaction to visor

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seems good enough to me.

[Visor]

yeppers

i read that string of posts when i was catching up this morning and was debating in my head about whether or not to talk about them

and then i saw visor had the same impression and was like sick i don't have to use my words

but i agree wholeheartedly

i don't think that teasing away strong early reads is Wolfy, i don't think that hally and eph are bad reads to have, i don't think criticizing people calling out gh for tryharding is Wrong

i do think they are weird things to do, and the last one is particularly soapbox-y

but it all feels like she's going through the motions and i really don't like the reaction to visor

i agree they are not wrong and perfectly valid thoughts, just the way things are expressed

but ye basically

[Visor]

Seems good enough to me.

"wolf watching a villager kill another villager"

[GeneralHankerchief]

@Hally getting back to your question from earlier in the day, I no longer believe that Visor and Amy could be paired.

[Ampharos]

i have no defense other than "i was in a shit headspace last night for oog reasons and am not surprised that i was off tonally"

am confident that my body of work will vindicate me eventually

[Cuthillius]

i have no defense other than "i was in a shit headspace last night for oog reasons and am not surprised that i was off tonally"

am confident that my body of work will vindicate me eventually

incorrect i am the odd night tracker

[Cuthillius]

vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Ampharos]

"wolf watching a villager kill another villager"

for the record, though, this is exactly the sort of read i townread visor off of last night

i was fully aware that my mood was probably gonna be reflected in my play and was unsurprised to immediately receive suspicion upon posting, but the snapvote itself didn't really move the needle for me; it was the post in reply to my sunbae thing, something along the lines of "this is a wolf telling villagers to stop correctly reading a villager" that felt super authentic and like he was actually making a read off my posts

just feels like the sort of read that comes from villagers much more often

+ i don't think i'm an easy misdunk target and continue to suspect that wolves would generally prefer to pocket me d1 rather than bury me, absent outside influence

[Ampharos]

i also didn't think my opener was so far affected that someone with tmi would pick up on it and feel confident wolfreading it, i suppose, but i'm unsure if i stand by that given the current wagon on me lol

[Esooa]

I feel like I'm having issues getting into the flow of this game

hally pointing out weird posts with few conclusions feels more like their villa game but im not ready to commit

why're you having issues with that @dyachei

[Esooa]

i guess i’m worried he’s #overcompensating for that by forcing himself to come out swinging again, but that didn’t go so well for him in team maf (dab dab) so i dunno if he would do it again lol

disagree. So far it feels to me much more like actual things he's picking up rather than opening the game with a case, based on how his focus is more fluid and such

[Esooa]

well he's definitely not doing a repeat of team mafia so far

nor do i expect him to

but his pushes so far are kinda

I disagree they're very

Dolby has had straight up weird takes multiple times"

I lightly dislike him for that reason so eh

[Esooa]

I'm ordering fancy crepes

want

[Esooa]

sunbae
eph
dolby
ara
capage
gh
esooa
bop

might just mess around and call all these villagers. bop is probably my least confident but it feels alright for now

feels kinda early for this, and usually when I have this many early town reads I get kinda paranoid

Idr if Hally is the same but hopefully I see at least some of that later

[Visor]

@Sunbae

you around?

wanna talk dya?

[Maple]

Who is thread spewed

[Esooa]

The "amusingly self-deprecating" tier:

Cuthillius

The "seems very villagery and if so will be painfully obvious by EoD2 at the latest" tier:

Esooa
Hally
Sunbae

The "feel familiarly villagery in a way that makes me happy but isn't actually very coherent in my mind" tier:

Arapocalypse
Ephemeral

The "makes me question if I have a microchip implanted in my mind to sponge thoughts from my future self so he can pocket me" tier:

Visor

The "my friends are v-reading him so I feel like I should too" tier:

Dolby

The "if they're wolves they're doing a great job of hiding it, but the same applies to them if v" tier:

Csargo
Montmorency
pzelda
Manasi
ColonelLubriderm
dyachei
Maple

The "prepare to be spitroasted" tier:

GeneralHankerchief
Ampharos

interested in more about pzelda, myself, gh here