WRT hally, I think the only person that she could be on a team with is esooa, and I personally believe they are less likely to be w/w(this is what I thought BEFORE events of the start of day, them being less likely that is).
I don't think manasi is a villager. The more relevant reason is because of how she refuses to re-evaluate than it is her choice of wolfreads. Last gameday, she talked about how she didnt want the stress of being in a final 3 and she had the read that me/ara were the wolfteam. Today she comes in ready to vote saying she isn't changing. Hally pointed this out and I agree, this isn't the move of someone not wanting to make a decision, this is the move of a wolf trying to push a decision.
Q and A:
Q:"If manasi is a wolf, why would she do this?"
A: Some kind of gambit to win the game in final 3. I believe it only makes sense with Esooa/Ara as partners. With Hally there are easier roads to victory letting me push one of ara/esooa which i was pretty much set to do since I was activel most concerned about them. You should also think i'm not with manasi for the same reason. There are easier/quicker paths to victory.
As for why do this at all and not do something like lay back and take a chance in to win in f5, well me/visor/hally were all liking eachother and our most likely concerns was 2 in esooa/ara/manasi. They could have felt they had a better chance in a f3 with alot of wifom and could make an informed nightkill based on what the villas thought than they did at a f5. I'm not sure. I think it makes the most sense to just go for it in the f5 so I'm really just guessing at intentions
Q:"If she was with ara, why would she say ara was a wolf?"
A: Circular logic. It's what makes this a gambit. The act of her coming out pushing on Ara is designed to confuse you into thinking if ara is or isn't her partner. Ara may or may not be, i'm not sure. But what you base that on should have nothing to do with her fake reads.
Q:"If it makes sense to just not to this at all as a wolf, then couldn't manasi be a villager?"
A: Yikes. If she is a villager then game is over because she is currently locked in to vote at least one villager and if she's not going to re-evaluate then the game is over anyways and I for one eagerly await the spicy postgame this world entails.
Note: First sentence should have read "WRT hally, if manasi is somehow a villager I think the only person that she could be on a team with is esooa, and I personally believe they are less likely to be w/w(this is what I thought BEFORE events of the start of day, them being less likely that is)."
Also been toying with the idea for the last few hours that ephemeral was killed over others being villa read for churning around ideas there are bussers on dya's d1 wagon.
Full disclosure, I say NL could have bussed and defend esooa when talking with ephemeral d3. NOT A GREAT LOOK FOR ME!
What did you mean by monte ignoring mafia chat. I didn’t understand what you meant(ie what you thought monte shouldn’t be doing)
If Manti is mafia, you can bet he 100% is involved in claims stuff that mafia is doing and work to orchestrate it so that it goes over smoothly!!! Unless Manti's completely checked out of the game or something, but obviously not the case when he was very invested!!
Or well, that's what was going through my head at the time anyway; was a particularly vivid !!!!!!!!!!!
I find that esooa makes the most sense with manasi
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Any particular reason why, that I can talk about?
I realize my thoughts probably have not been that clear on stuff as of late (case in point: I have ~9 tabs open to this game and barely know what half of them are about), but would be able to recall distinct moments in time and stuff!!!!
Sorry, I'm going to be in and out today, but will try to be around and figure out what I was doing!!
I realize my thoughts probably have not been that clear on stuff as of late (case in point: I have ~9 tabs open to this game and barely know what half of them are about), but would be able to recall distinct moments in time and stuff!!!!
Sorry, I'm going to be in and out today, but will try to be around and figure out what I was doing!!
Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm
Also, here is a tl;dr on my problem with Ara.
lack of urgency.
Not just in recent day, but throughout the game, Ara has not been finding scum. She is finding reasons to read everyone villa, but not really POEing out scum and has shown no real urgency to do so. On later days, when she has villa reads on all but a couple people, there is no urgency to figure out if shes wrong, where she is wrong and she doesn't feel like she has the game solved at all.
I talked about it alot yesterday but here is the tl;dr.
Explaining the last couple sentences. on day 4 it seemed like you had villa reads on 8 of the 9 people left and had no urgency to figure out who the wolves are. You didn't seem interested in re-evaluating your villas and you didn't act like you had the game solved(which means you were confident in your wolves), you just went along with what everyone else was going with(or so it seemed to me)
...Looking like this makes me feel like the game is probably lost already or just ??? because !!!!!!!
No, that doesn't mean I'm giving up!!!
This is weird in that it feels like a semi-reprise of team game in some senses, in that days after day 1 did not feel real... maybe day 3ish, sort of? That was a weird one!!!!
I talked about it alot yesterday but here is the tl;dr.
Explaining the last couple sentences. on day 4 it seemed like you had villa reads on 8 of the 9 people left and had no urgency to figure out who the wolves are. You didn't seem interested in re-evaluating your villas and you didn't act like you had the game solved(which means you were confident in your wolves), you just went along with what everyone else was going with(or so it seemed to me)
I mean... yes, I've realized that I've had too many town since ~day 3ish, quite possible earlier!!! Regarding urgency... not sure what to say about day 3 as I was in large part spinning wheels there trying to figure out where to go besides the thread-preferred Cuth/Montmorency, where I'm pretty sure I essentially just landed on Manasi for underwhelming reasons!!!
Day 4 was essentially at a point which is overly close to today, except dealing with a whole ton of Visor paranoia because why is he still alive!!!!!! :p
If it helps, this most certainly isn't the first time I've struggled with this issue of too much town before and definitely won't be my last!!
I don't have a reason, but if someone does or someone can point to something that they think prohibits this or makes it less likely in their opinion i'd like to know.
For example, I briefly thought that esooa/manasi were less likely together with esooa pushing manasi yesterday. Though after thinking about it i decided against it because there was no real chance of manasi dying yesterday so it doesn't mean much.
In other news,
I find it odd that manasi is completely fine with clearing esoos when esooa was wolf reading them yesterday.
Also this is why I find the manasi/ara world less likely despite wolfreading ara more.
thought experiment;
ara/manasi are wolves.
So the plan is for manasi to come into today pushing me/her partner. PRobably always snapping me over ara despite saying they go ara first.
If manasi does indeed vote her partner and not me, then there is some small chance ara goes over manasi and manasi always dies in f3. Otherwise manasi gets voted out and they have a f3 with most likely esooa/ara + 1 of me/hally. I don't think its conceivable to put me/hally in a team with a flipped wolf manasi(maybe you all feel otherwise, im biased but we can discuss if you wish) So ara has to thunderdome with esooa. It's a way to victory, sure. And you might beable to AtE me/hally to get us there.
however,
Since me/visor/hally all were dubious towards esooa yesterday, wouldn't it be easier to just try to win at f5? Simpler too. Visor was ready to launch esooa, hally was definitely in the headspace to consider it. I was down for it because i was living in a ara/esooa world overnight. So why not just go for it.
Uh... honestly I was going to come out towncasing both of them at SoD!!!!!
Actually I'm pretty sure I still have the partially typed up post saved and can just post it anyway I guess, hang on!!!
Manasi honestly hasn't changed for me for... maybe the entire game? Trying to talk about it from a different perspective, the issue I have had with the points that people (Visor?) was making for a town!Manasi is that it was mainly that she wasn't w/w with dya; main point being that it wasn't really reasoning for townreading Manasi herself, if that makes sense? And... there have been many reasons for everyone else, just haven't really been able to figure that tangle out which has been my bad!!
I just felt awkward posting it literally right after Visor died, sorry:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Two main points: First of all, interactions with dya!!! Yes, I realize that there are concerns with this!! I've referred to this before, but some of the specifics of this read are one of the initial interactions that Esooa has with dya: she questions dya out of the blue on the weirdest thing of dya forgetting about what they liked in my ISO... and for what? dya's entire response to that line of query is just extremely awkward in a "caught for the wrong reasons" type of tone!!
Besides that specific one, the macro read is also one which I feel decently strongly about; it's just... a lot of minor points added up together where pretty much none of her posts have made me feel iffy about her!! Somewhat similar to the Cuth read, actually; about whenever she enters the thread, the takes and thoughts that are shared in the thread feel genuine and not overwrought!! To the point where if for example I'm reading back a chunk of the thread, and come across an entry of hers in, it just feels like a refreshing waterfall of thoughts that don't feel like they have an agenda in them, and are actively insightful in an extremely solvy manner!!!!!
who do you think she wanted to direct you to vote instead?
Or is it just anyone but me type of thing in your opinion?
idk really
when I was trying to go through her ISO last night I did notice her read on visor being weird, I don't remember exactly what she said but just sum reading him generally yesterday
possible she wanted to get me to vote him considering I had been very willing to previous day's
I don't have a reason, but if someone does or someone can point to something that they think prohibits this or makes it less likely in their opinion i'd like to know.
For example, I briefly thought that esooa/manasi were less likely together with esooa pushing manasi yesterday. Though after thinking about it i decided against it because there was no real chance of manasi dying yesterday so it doesn't mean much.
In other news,
I find it odd that manasi is completely fine with clearing esoos when esooa was wolf reading them yesterday.
Not really?
I'm just more on... I don't really want to suspect people just based on who they could be with? As in, not completely disregarding my own individual read, mainly!!!!
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