Rampage Out of Space

[Csargo]

need to have a look at pzelda again

any opinions?

Does el flipping town change your opinion of zelda? Why?

[Winston Hughes]

Does el flipping town change your opinion of zelda? Why?

no, it's more that i just blinked on my read of zelda after the no-show this evening

[Winston Hughes]

are you the sk, csar?

[Winston Hughes]

[Csargo]

are you the sk, csar?

I'm vt, I'll give you a hint tho.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I'm SK

[Laurentus]

A tribute to you, most noble of fallen rabbits:

[Garden Gnome]

Yeah I was afraid of that. Gnome escapes a day.



Show me you mean what you say this next day phase then.

[Csargo]

no, it's more that i just blinked on my read of zelda after the no-show this evening

That's classic zelda tho

[Montmorency]

NIGHT TWO BEGINS

Send in orders if you have them.

D3 postcap is 200 posts!

Phase ends

[Montmorency]

Night Two




*BHZZZHRRP!!*

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Major Montmorency cranked his eyes open and breathed deep.

He sighed.

I love the smell of morning in the night.



DAY THREE BEGINS



Postcap has been raised to 200!

Phase ends

Living Players (13)

hollowkatt (hollow/HK)
Dolby (Dolbster/Dolb)
Winston Hughes (Winston/WH/McGinty)
Garden Gnome (Gnome/GG)
Ibn-Khaldun (Ibn/IK)
Lewwyn (Lew)
BorgPicard (Borg/Picard/LA/Argon)
NANOOK (Nook)
Csargo (Csar)
Laurentus (Laur)
Vroendal (Vro)
pzelda (Zelda/Capage/Cap)
CutePanda (Panda/CP)

Dead Players (4)

Raskolnikov (D1)
c4e5g3d5 (N1)
Timsup2nothin (N1)
El-ahrairah (D2)

[BorgPicard]

????????¿?

[BorgPicard]

What the hell happened? Well I was planning on revealing my cop check on Nanook, but that was a bust. At least nobody got killed tonight.

[hollowkatt]

What the hell happened? Well I was planning on revealing my cop check on Nanook, but that was a bust. At least nobody got killed tonight.

What?

[BorgPicard]

What?

I think everyone got roleblocker.

[Garden Gnome]

I think everyone got roleblocker.

interesting.

[BorgPicard]

Hey mafia did you get roleblocker as well?

[NANOOK]

What the hell happened? Well I was planning on revealing my cop check on Nanook, but that was a bust. At least nobody got killed tonight.

I have a green check on him

[BorgPicard]

I have a green check on him

Well how did you get that? We're you not roleblocker?

[hollowkatt]

Well how did you get that? We're you not roleblocker?

vote: borgpicard

stop being a derpaholic :)

[Lewwyn]

HK can you explain your Zelda read please?

[Lewwyn]

I have a green check on him

You are saying you have a green check on yourself right? Ha ha and all that? Just to be clear.

[hollowkatt]

HK can you explain your Zelda read please?

I like the analysis he was doing of Tims ISO post Tim flip. It felt like legitimate solving, not just "here's some thoughts on a packmate". I don't think pzelda/Tim are paired at all

[hollowkatt]

Like read through pzeldas ISO and tell me it's a wolf posting, especially after Tim flips

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php/101705-pzelda

[Lewwyn]

Like read through pzeldas ISO and tell me it's a wolf posting, especially after Tim flips

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php/101705-pzelda

I think its theater for me. He and I are in a neighbor thread and he's trying to convince me he's not scum.

[Lewwyn]

Pshh let's just skip all that nighttime nonsense and get back to the real game, scum hunting. Feels good knowing you're not goign to die for a night.

My reads are more for scum than for SK. SK I"m not sure about.

Townie:

Winston
Laur
HK
Csar

Town Lean:
Dolby

Null:

Borg
NANOOK
Panda

Scum Lean:

Ibn
Vro

Scummmy:

Zelda
Gnome



Town people:

Winston I have great town vibes from he's seeing a lot of what I'm seeing. He's active and he's tryign to scumhunt. He's clearly innocent to me.
Laur is not cleared entirely, but I think the whole derpgate thing leaves me on teh side of town rather than wolf. Maybe I'm being fooled by the play, but when it comes down to it I think the most likely exxplanation is village not wolf. I just don't think a wolf wants to come in and make that big of a gaff, nor would they want to come into the game so late. Is it a meta clear? Maybe, but I'm also not feeling like he isn't open to the scum hunt based on the last minute interactions of Day 2 that I ahd with him.
I have good vibes from HK despite his terrible reads. Simply put townies are going to be more wrong than scum are. And they are more likely to be aggressively wrong. Being scum and being aggressively wrong is still possible but IMO less likely. Also HK your read on zelda you need to explain to me. Please at your earliest convenience.
Dolby I feel a bit less keen on but still feel pretty townie. Actually find myself swayed by the possible SK arguments on him. Doesn't mean we can't still work together, just a bit sad about the El over Gnome vote. Particularly since he voted Gnome earlier but then got off her and then was like yeah Gnome could die today, but didn't move with me. Who will you vote for today?

People who are more null are borg and Nanook and Panda. I could move Borg to towon actually, but I mean I can't besure because of the gambit.
Nanook I just don't know. I'll say I felt better than I did at one point, but still pretty in the middle.
Panda I can't get a full read on. I mean the post straight up admitting being wrong is good. And really when you're wrong you're wrong, admitting it and not equivocating is the right call. At the same time it makes me think Panda is not scum because making that call on and being so wrong about it feels like some thing a wolf isn't goign to do. I'm still not fully read in though.

Ibn I lean scum on, but this might actually be pretty null. He said he was interested to tsee the tie mechanic on Day 1, Day 2 at the end was the perfect time for it, but obvs if he's not there it doesn't matter. Just wish he were so that we could get a read. He's posted the least in the thread.
Vro, I'm not in love with the tone and I'm not in love with the El vote over Gnome. Point in his favor, Zelda had a hard on for him.

From my interactions with Gnome I'm 90% sure she's scum. The deflecting, the defensiveness, the lack of actual reads and the overall halfheartedness are overwhelming.

Zelda deserves his own post.

[Lewwyn]

Yes I"m claiming game wide night roleblock. I don't know if other people have an ability like this, but basically now that I've used it I can talk about it. If I had talked about the ability or hinted that I had an ability before, or hinted that I was a neighbor to Zelda or said I was a neighbor earlier I would have LOST the ability. Also if Zelda had hinted that I have the ability or if he had said he was my neighbor I would have lost the ability. I lose it even if Zelda didn't know about these conditions.

I only told Zelda that I had a roleblock ability that I would lose if either he or I mentioned it in thread or mentioned being neighbors. I did not say it was a game wide ability.

I felt it necessary to use the ability now (I'm not allowed to use it N1) because I've played the game so straight and I feared Zelda to be scum and for the scum to know that I have a roleblock ability. I told him earlier but then sort of regretted it. Our neighbor chat doesn't say alignments.

I may be wrong and I may be paranoid which is why I'm asking for more reads on zelda from people who have played with him. Independent of the neighbor thread I read Zelda's day 1 as scummy and felt bad going into N1. Day 2 did not improve as much, but again I might be paranoid and reading it wrong. I will be giving a bit more about why I feel this way when I gather up more thoughts and get a response from Zelda. But for now I'd like to hear more from others on zelda, because there haven't been as many reads given on him.

[Lewwyn]

Good morning fellow space citizens!

Page 1 - It looks like there's a wolf in csargo/rask. Dolby feels good. Borg guts town for fake derping.
Page 2 - I guess both wolves and towns posted on the page, but nothing decisive.
Page 3 - Lewwyn's choice of posts to respond to is noteworthy, but too light to be alignment indicative. Csargo being more active than usual is mildly unsettling.

Overall, not much to talk about yet. HK and Csargo could be waffles together, if Rask town, but that's a nasty association I got here. HK's approach to this game feels slightly diferent than the last time, but my alignment was different back then and It was easy to see towniness in his posts.
Rask feels really hyped for this game despite claiming light disappointment about his role. I haven't decided if it's a good look yet.
C4 posted enough for me to notice them, but that's all I can say about their posts with certainty.
Tim not flooding the gates with posts probably should be a villa lean, but it would be a meh meta lean.

Villa leans: Dolby, Borg
Scum potential: Rask, Csargo, HK

I like this post slightly less on re-read. Cap drops from TR to null.

El dislikes this post because "this post doesn't have an organic feel to it."

I agree. El ironically says:

If pzelda flips V, power-lynch Lew

The reason I agreed is because I felt that Zelda's post was a bit too scummy as that first post. It's organized and prepared and feels VERY try hard, especially as a first post. Almost every post following does NOT have the same tone as this post I feel. There is an overt style here that's dropped. In part I think because it did come off overly constructed particularly so early in the day. For me it just feels wrong. Also note the very early soft meta town lean on Tim. I already was suspect of Tim here so I was curious and questioned it. We'll come back to zelda's Tim analysis on Day 2 in another post.

I didn't say so before because zelda was my neighbor and wanted to see how it played out in our neighbor thread. Unfortunately after that I only got one response from him for the rest of Day 1 in our QT. Which I found strange given:

Ok, It looks like the thread is dead right now. I'll be back in the evening and as I have a lot of work to do overnight, I probably will be here a lot.

So I expected more Day 1 from Zelda, but it was sparse.

I kind of like this from Rask, because HK calling himself lazy indeed is wolfy. Let's wait and see.

Also, despite being fairly active and calling people towns, I can't find any reason to tr C4.

Winston and Gnome feel alright, maybe slightly mason-ish.

This is okay? a bit vague, but the thing I note is the Winston and Gnome thing which was part of the only reply I got from zel in the QT, thinking about multiple neighbor pairs. And then Day 2 zel goes after them a bit

Gnome/Winston both feel like possible anti-towns. From their early interaction, I got a feeling that they might have a private chat together.

He's more focused on Winston then Gnome though.

Back to Day 1:

Tbh, the whole take is vaguely in null territory. A great comment or action from HK would make it minor a nuisance. Tbh, talking about Largon doing the same thing every game isn't moving game forward and I find it slightly off that HK uses it to push Borg. Also, his meta read on Tim - It's good but it's also deliberately keeping Tim in nulls.
But again, I don't think any of this is substantial enough to call HK scum. The Tim read actually got me slightly paranoid about Tim, who immediately posted about changing his style every game - and that's not a post, which makes man feel safer.

Overall, this feels like an old school d1 with surface interactions and lack of substantial reads.

lord have mercy this post is bad
Vote: pzelda

HK does Day 2 make up for this entirely? Does Tim being scum make zelda seem less scummy?

Remember that this is in response to me comment:

Has your take changed since that comment?

My issue is that this post comes well after I make a post in the QT about how I'm not sold on Tim, specifically I was thinking about how zelda gave him a meta town lean in his first post. Then this post comes after and sort of backpedals on that. This coupled with not hearing from Zelda for the rest of the day in the QT makes me think he was repositioning publicly based on what I said in the QT.

This:

Vote: pzelda

You look perfectly happy with this dead thread, despite being around and having actual thoughts. All the thoughts you do have just look like progress blunting.

could be why C4 was killed. I agree with him about zelda seeming to have a lack of urgency.

I really wanted to vote for Zelda end of Day 1, but if I did that I would tip my suspicions, Zel would have a logical recourse to talk about us being neighbors and I would lose my ability. So I let it ride to see what would happen Day 2.

[Lewwyn]

So when I look at Zelda's day 2 I'm torn. Some of it rings pretty good feels pretty real and I can't tell if I'm paranoid or not.

I'm standing with my initial read there. Pzelda has a history of being kinda lackadasical on day one and getting caught woofin' before he settles in. The way his first post went by without stirring an immediate alarm sort of seems like town Pzelda. Not a "wait for LYLO and look again" read by any stretch but I think there are better places to go today.

Raskol needs to show up here.

Dolby is looking worse every time I look.

I'd run either of them out ahead of Pzelda.

Yeah, Csargo, this is kind of a good look for Dolby.

This post is ironic to me because its a post Tim is making about where he stands on Zelda in response to be directly asked about it. Here Zelda says it looks good for Dolby, but this post actually looks bad for Zelda because Tim is waffling slight town lean on Zelda and then pushing other people ahead of him.

-A bunch of posts on Panda and Panda Tim interaction, but actually Panda barely posts Day 1 so the fact that a good portion of his interactions are with Tim actually make me less sus of Panda. I think its more likely they are not scum then.

-Fights with El suspects panda gnome and Vro which are similar to my EOD 1 reads in the QT. This is where I'm wondering if my Day 1 bias and the QT bias is effecting my reads. I honestly can't tell.

The fact that he keeps his vote on Vro for the rest of the day despite also suspecting Gnome at the beginning of the day, but not really commenting on the rest of the day makes me suspect. Zelda does a beginning of Day 2 blitz, but then is not really active in the rest of the day similar to Day 1. I am not sold on Vro as scum, and after my interaction with Gnome I was curious if he'd post anything or see my point on Gnome.

[Lewwyn]

All of this is to say I believe that we should have discussions on Zelda, Vro, Ibn, in particular today and then lynch Gnome.

[Csargo]

I'd agree with hk, ignoring zelda's D1 and just looking at D2 the analysis he was doing was good re:Dolby,Vro, etc.

Zelda's D1's are usually formulaic and that often causes problems.