Rampage Out of Space

[Vroendal]

I'm here. Obligatory defense first, obligatory attack next.

[Dolby]

My current list is Winston, pzelda, Czargo, Laurentus and Hollow

why the last three for you?

Particularly Csargo

[Winston Hughes]

hk could be a villain

[hollowkatt]

don't touch what you can't afford

I dunno, how many more times are you going to say "I guess I just lose to xxx as mafia"?

[Winston Hughes]

hk is probably a villain

[Ibn-Khaldun]

why the last three for you?

Particularly Csargo

I'm not sure about hollow anymore

But the other 2 kind of feel like town.

[hollowkatt]

hk could be a villain

I could be!
Are you at all interested why I voted for you?

[Winston Hughes]

Are you at all interested why I voted for you?

I wasn't, but okay...

[Winston Hughes]

Are you at all interested why I voted for you?

I wasn't, but okay...

Sorry, that wasn't clear.

Why did you vote for me?

[Winston Hughes]

@Dolby

If not hk, who is it?

[Vroendal]

Vroe is up and down for me.He made some good comments and some terrible comments and his presence feels off. Like he's not been actively trying to solve the game with his comments, just showcasing solving.

Not entirely untrue, however you're confusing an early-game defensive playstyle with a wolfy agenda. My solving has been rather lackluster in comparison to the long posts others have been making, but that's mainly due to my inability to interact live with the thread most of the time. I firmly stood by my scum-reads on Winston and GG separately and with their interactions and feel that they and my read on Ibn were entirely justified. I backed up my reasoning by voting the players I scum-read most, and neither of them provided satisfactory defenses.

Vroendal - I've been putting him through a series of reaction tests, and he's come to all the wrong conclusions. He rightly points out that I'm playing very different from my usual town style, but then TRs me for it. I tell him I'm death tunneling him if Gnome flips town, and he tries to switch at the last possible second. He even calls my vote bad when at the time I made it, there were no serious counter-wagons. I can agree my reasoning is shaky, since I'm ignoring literally everything else that Dolby is doing because I'm so fixated on the distancing angle, but I also repeatedly said Gnome still had to be the chop. Also note that literally everyone on the Dolby wagon is confirmed Town at this point, except for me. His firm "I ain't dyin'" stance feels like taunting, at this point. You know who doesn't fear the NK? Scum, that's who.

I see absolutely no validation as to why you're scum-reading me for any of this and I would urge you to reconsider. I see the usual goal of a scum is to survive as long as possible. This is usually accomplished by sticking to a town meta and/or blending in with the town. Your lack of desire to blend in with your townie meta as I know it is significant to me, as it indicates that you don't see the need to put up a specific act to account for yourself, and seem rather comfortable going about a different playstyle which you know would stick out to me, for one. This plus your derp is what made me decide to town-read you. My switch was entirely motivated by the GG's final post, and I quoted it so you wouldn't get caught in that trap. I have no qualms about being scum-read for my vote. Her final post was so familiar to my thoughts at being mis-lynched I chickened out (rightly so I might add). Your vote was bad because your reasoning was flawed. I was not against counter-wagons, but your vote and its target felt inherently wrong, and your desire to stick to something you know is so weak is what should have made your vote bad to you. At that point GG did have to be the chop, but forming any kind of counter-wagon on reasoning you know to be weak is wrong. All voters of Dolby being town does not mean that Dolby is necessarily scum, that's NAI. I felt I was clearly not dying because I was going to be one of the best candidates for a mis-lynch down the line. Apparently the killers didn't think the same way I did, I was extremely surprised to see Panda and Nanook dead. I don't fear the NK because I don't have a role.

Vroendal was less active and his votes were more often than not votes on already established wagons.[/B]

That's NAI. My frequency of activity in comparison is a result of not game-related things. Voting from a list of options I feel I can actually effect is the best choice as town, I'm not afraid to push on non-established wagons if I scum-read them, I'm also not afraid to push on established wagons if I scum-read them.

Not sure.. I would go for Vro.

We need to get mafia today.

._.
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

I have more to say, don't want this too long though.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm not sure about hollow anymore

But the other 2 kind of feel like town.

dolby vs hk

who's townier?

[Dolby]

@Dolby

If not hk, who is it?

still think that HK is SK

or just pretending to be one

kinda think it's ibn/csargo but ugh

I still don't think it's vroendal

I'm gonna assume that he isn't actually suspecting you but I'm just out of it rn

[Csargo]

Dolby has more wolf potential than Argon does b/c like Argon is super obvs when he's not town whereas Dolby is much harder to find in both directions. I just don't think wolf LA plays this game this way. SK LA might

Sure, I have no idea what you're seeing that makes it obvious when he's not town.

[Winston Hughes]

I see absolutely no validation as to why you're scum-reading me for any of this and I would urge you to reconsider. I see the usual goal of a scum is to survive as long as possible. This is usually accomplished by sticking to a town meta and/or blending in with the town. Your lack of desire to blend in with your townie meta as I know it is significant to me, as it indicates that you don't see the need to put up a specific act to account for yourself, and seem rather comfortable going about a different playstyle which you know would stick out to me, for one. This plus your derp is what made me decide to town-read you. My switch was entirely motivated by the GG's final post, and I quoted it so you wouldn't get caught in that trap. I have no qualms about being scum-read for my vote. Her final post was so familiar to my thoughts at being mis-lynched I chickened out (rightly so I might add). Your vote was bad because your reasoning was flawed. I was not against counter-wagons, but your vote and its target felt inherently wrong, and your desire to stick to something you know is so weak is what should have made your vote bad to you. At that point GG did have to be the chop, but forming any kind of counter-wagon on reasoning you know to be weak is wrong. All voters of Dolby being town does not mean that Dolby is necessarily scum, that's NAI. I felt I was clearly not dying because I was going to be one of the best candidates for a mis-lynch down the line. Apparently the killers didn't think the same way I did, I was extremely surprised to see Panda and Nanook dead. I don't fear the NK because I don't have a role.

I almost don't care if you're scum.

This paragraph is magnificent.

[Winston Hughes]

kinda think it's ibn/csargo but ugh

tell me why it's csargo

[Csargo]

still think that HK is SK

or just pretending to be one

kinda think it's ibn/csargo but ugh

I still don't think it's vroendal

I'm gonna assume that he isn't actually suspecting you but I'm just out of it rn

Throw me into the rps arena

[Laurentus]

Ugh, my gut says Vro is Town here. Fuck you and your tone, Vro.

[Vroendal]

Sorry for not clearing these quotes!
Rereading d1 I have come to a shocking conclusion. N1, I targeted Winston alone and therefore the result isn't 100% reliable(plus he claimed Miller, so It's possible that his actual role is godfather, a common bastard-ish counter measure to cop). D1 he posted some prime examples of slank cover and some posts, which were They could be town or scum. A good example of the latter is his Tim/Lewwyn v/v read immediately undermined by paranoia w/w read.

And why I actually started thinking about this? It's because of Vroe. If Vroe's scum and his list still suggests so, him choosing to bus Winston early on would come as no surprise and Tim trying to influence him in the thread would make sense too. I know this is lot of narrative and wifom and I have two more days to reread, but a lot of it makes sense in my head right now.

Overall I am at Vroe>Csargo>Dolby with Winston only coming in the poe if Vroe is scum as a direct association.

Borg prolly always 3p/vig here. Unless it's Csargo.

Unvote: Dolby
Vote: Vroendal

Wut. I can see where you're coming from, but this is so incredibly contrived I'm not even sure how to best respond to this. Suffice it to say: I'm not scum, Winston should never be paired with me, I wanted him gone D1.

Winston
zelda
Laurentus
ibn

hk
borg
dolby
vro

Please explain your read!!!

I will park on vroendal for now. I was hoping my night action would find me a wolf, but sadly my top suspect Nanook was brutally murdered and also town. Of everyone else here, I have some suspicion about Sk being Dolby or HK, but I am running a blank on who could be mafia.

Nice sheep. If I flip town, who will you suspect?

probs a wolf, would kill

No u. You're influencing the vote with your read without voting for me. Why?

The worst that I feel about Vroe is that I don't think that his reads construction after Winston being copped was good

Would you please elaborate? My reasoning was actually flawed because I hadn't realized the check on Winston if true wouldn't be 100% accurate, but why wasn't it good?

[Winston Hughes]

Maybe you all are scum.

[Vroendal]

I am open for questioning and elaboration if needed.

[Dolby]

tell me why it's csargo

It's literally just aside from Ibn I think he has the least going for him in terms of not being mafia specifically

maybe I'm wrong on HK or Vroe.

[Laurentus]

Vote: Ibn Khaldun

[Winston Hughes]

I am open for questioning and elaboration if needed.

hk or dolby?

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 4-3

Vroendal (4): Laurentus, Zelda, Csargo, Borg
IK (2): Winston, Vroendal
Dolby (1): Ibn
Winston (1): Hollow

Not Voting (1): Dolby


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal
[Hollow] Dolby >> Csargo >> Winston




(Ibn-Khaldun being offered some Winston coffee)

[hollowkatt]

Sorry, that wasn't clear.

Why did you vote for me?

Because you've had a fairly constant refrain of "if this person is a wolf I just lose/can't get there/doing a great job" and I find that comes from non-town way more often than it comes from town.

[Vroendal]

hk or dolby?

Always HK for sure.

[Laurentus]

@Montmorency, I'm now on Ibn, not Vro.

[Winston Hughes]

It's literally just aside from Ibn I think he has the least going for him in terms of not being mafia specifically

maybe I'm wrong on HK or Vroe.

You've played many games with csar?

[Dolby]

I am open for questioning and elaboration if needed.

basically, I didn't feel the best about you just chucking the whole PoE as your targets. Beyond that I felt fine exempting your Nanook SK comment that I felt was kinda justifying to hard against somebody who you thought probably wasn't mafia at that time