Rampage Out of Space

[Winston Hughes]

Because you've had a fairly constant refrain of "if this person is a wolf I just lose/can't get there/doing a great job" and I find that comes from non-town way more often than it comes from town.

You think I might be scum?

[Dolby]

You've played many games with csar?

probably 10 or so

gotta drop off for an hour

[hollowkatt]

Not entirely untrue, however you're confusing an early-game defensive playstyle with a wolfy agenda. My solving has been rather lackluster in comparison to the long posts others have been making, but that's mainly due to my inability to interact live with the thread most of the time. I firmly stood by my scum-reads on Winston and GG separately and with their interactions and feel that they and my read on Ibn were entirely justified. I backed up my reasoning by voting the players I scum-read most, and neither of them provided satisfactory defenses.


I see absolutely no validation as to why you're scum-reading me for any of this and I would urge you to reconsider. I see the usual goal of a scum is to survive as long as possible. This is usually accomplished by sticking to a town meta and/or blending in with the town. Your lack of desire to blend in with your townie meta as I know it is significant to me, as it indicates that you don't see the need to put up a specific act to account for yourself, and seem rather comfortable going about a different playstyle which you know would stick out to me, for one. This plus your derp is what made me decide to town-read you. My switch was entirely motivated by the GG's final post, and I quoted it so you wouldn't get caught in that trap. I have no qualms about being scum-read for my vote. Her final post was so familiar to my thoughts at being mis-lynched I chickened out (rightly so I might add). Your vote was bad because your reasoning was flawed. I was not against counter-wagons, but your vote and its target felt inherently wrong, and your desire to stick to something you know is so weak is what should have made your vote bad to you. At that point GG did have to be the chop, but forming any kind of counter-wagon on reasoning you know to be weak is wrong. All voters of Dolby being town does not mean that Dolby is necessarily scum, that's NAI. I felt I was clearly not dying because I was going to be one of the best candidates for a mis-lynch down the line. Apparently the killers didn't think the same way I did, I was extremely surprised to see Panda and Nanook dead. I don't fear the NK because I don't have a role.


That's NAI. My frequency of activity in comparison is a result of not game-related things. Voting from a list of options I feel I can actually effect is the best choice as town, I'm not afraid to push on non-established wagons if I scum-read them, I'm also not afraid to push on established wagons if I scum-read them.


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Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

I have more to say, don't want this too long though.

vote: vroendal

word salad is word salad

[Dolby]

Because you've had a fairly constant refrain of "if this person is a wolf I just lose/can't get there/doing a great job" and I find that comes from non-town way more often than it comes from town.

hk hes coppeaked

[Winston Hughes]

Always HK for sure.

Why?

[hollowkatt]

dolby vs hk

who's townier?

if you ask the thread? Dolby probably. If you ask me? Also Dolby

[Laurentus]

hk hes coppeaked

Potentially unreliably.

[Vroendal]

basically, I didn't feel the best about you just chucking the whole PoE as your targets. Beyond that I felt fine exempting your Nanook SK comment that I felt was kinda justifying to hard against somebody who you thought probably wasn't mafia at that time

Yeah fair I suppose. I chucked out the whole PoE because that's who I thought it could most likely be, but targets isn't what they were, they were possibilities to me.

[Winston Hughes]

if you ask the thread? Dolby probably. If you ask me? Also Dolby

i wasn't asking the thread

why are you answering?

[hollowkatt]

Does it make sense to chop me to eliminate possibilities? I know a lot of you are in the "is HK SK or possibly wolfing" camp and like I get that. So chop me to eliminate that possibility AS WELL AS not letting me make LYLO b/c there's enough suspicion on me that some townie is going to snap vote me there and cost us the game.

[Vroendal]

Why?

Dolby's tone is fantastic, if he's not town he's the SK, I would be incredibly shocked if he flipped wolf. I think it's a very strong possibility HK is evil based on PoE at this point, his opportunistic read (and now vote, hey hey!) of me isn't encouraging to me either.

[Laurentus]

Laurentus is relaxed and confident and I believe the process.

If sk, it's clever.

If scum, it's brilliant.

Wait, why do you think I might be the SK?

[hollowkatt]

You think I might be scum?

I did vote you for that so yeah, possible

[hollowkatt]

hk hes coppeaked

Wouldn't be the first time I tried to get a confirmed townie chopped.

[hollowkatt]

i wasn't asking the thread

why are you answering?

it was funny in my head

[Winston Hughes]

Does it make sense to chop me to eliminate possibilities? I know a lot of you are in the "is HK SK or possibly wolfing" camp and like I get that. So chop me to eliminate that possibility AS WELL AS not letting me make LYLO b/c there's enough suspicion on me that some townie is going to snap vote me there and cost us the game.

Dolby's tone is fantastic, if he's not town he's the SK, I would be incredibly shocked if he flipped wolf. I think it's a very strong possibility HK is evil based on PoE at this point, his opportunistic read (and now vote, hey hey!) of me isn't encouraging to me either.

these are great posts, whatever the alignment

[hollowkatt]

Dolby's tone is fantastic, if he's not town he's the SK, I would be incredibly shocked if he flipped wolf. I think it's a very strong possibility HK is evil based on PoE at this point, his opportunistic read (and now vote, hey hey!) of me isn't encouraging to me either.

[Laurentus]

Does it make sense to chop me to eliminate possibilities? I know a lot of you are in the "is HK SK or possibly wolfing" camp and like I get that. So chop me to eliminate that possibility AS WELL AS not letting me make LYLO b/c there's enough suspicion on me that some townie is going to snap vote me there and cost us the game.

If you're Town, then no, why would I ever want to chop you? If you're SK, you're basically throwing with this. If you're Wolf, then this is really effective reverse psychology. The fuck are you here?

[hollowkatt]

these are great posts, whatever the alignment

I'm serious though. We can afford to be wrong today, we can't afford to be wrong tomorrow IF my math is right and if I'm still alive tomorrow there's enough thread inertia of "HK is a bad guy of some flavor" that I'm a high risk of being the game losing chop. So if I'm going to die, today is absolutely the right day to kill me and sort me that way.

[Laurentus]

Wait, do we need to chop the SK to win?

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 4-4

Vroendal (4): Zelda, Csargo, Borg, Hollow
IK (3): Winston, Vroendal, Laurentus
Dolby (1): IK

Not Voting (1): Dolby


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal
[Hollow] Dolby >> Csargo >> Winston >> Vroendal
[Laur] Vroendal >> IK

[Winston Hughes]

Wait, do we need to chop the SK to win?

Probably.

[hollowkatt]

If you're Town, then no, why would I ever want to chop you? If you're SK, you're basically throwing with this. If you're Wolf, then this is really effective reverse psychology. The fuck are you here?

Stop looking at it that way and look at Winston, Vro, Dolby, and I think one other person who've all said I have SK/Wolf equity. If you trust those players to be town I am 100% objectively the right chop for today.
If you don't town read those players then yeah, don't chop me b/c they're the ones telling you I'm some flavor of badguy.

[hollowkatt]

Wait, do we need to chop the SK to win?

in my experience yes, for town to win all threats to town must be killed.

[Vroendal]

Wait, do we need to chop the SK to win?

I was actually considering this, someone said we needed to chop mafia, but actually confirming another killing role gone would actually be far better for us than eliminating one of two wolf roles that are able to kill factionally.

Killing in the PoE is very bold, and it would have to come from someone more confident that they wouldn't be lynched once the PoE closed, so if we want the SK it probably isn't Ibn. I don't have any clues whatsoever as to who the SK is though, I would rather we lynch the most likely evil instead of shooting in the dark in any case.

[Laurentus]

I don't trust Dolby, and Winston has been running me wrong for the last 2 pages, potential peek or no. I'm tone-reading Vro as town right now, but experience has taught me this state of affairs will last about 5 minutes.

If you had to narrow it down to exactly 1 scum, who isis it?

[Winston Hughes]

Winston has been running me wrong for the last 2 pages=

[tell me more]

[Vroendal]

I forgot to add on that a 3p killing role sounds like something we would need to chop in order to win though, yes.

[Laurentus]

[tell me more]

You're basically Oprah with these "you get a win, and you get a win, errbody gets a win" statements of yours, and something just fundamentally grates about your post in the SK!Lau world which I asked you about.

[Csargo]

Wut. I can see where you're coming from, but this is so incredibly contrived I'm not even sure how to best respond to this. Suffice it to say: I'm not scum, Winston should never be paired with me, I wanted him gone D1.


Please explain your read!!!


Nice sheep. If I flip town, who will you suspect?


No u. You're influencing the vote with your read without voting for me. Why?


Would you please elaborate? My reasoning was actually flawed because I hadn't realized the check on Winston if true wouldn't be 100% accurate, but why wasn't it good?

It's mostly cause I have no clue where else to go.

I didn't have time to fully iso people, but you've been flying under the radar most of the game and I have no idea what you've actually done, so I wanted to put pressure on you.