Rampage Out of Space

[Laurentus]

you have two bad posts today. The first bad post is the one where you tell everyone to take what I'm saying with a massive dose of salt.
I said yesterday when people started floating theories that I'm bad (mafia or SK didn't matter) that yesterday was 100% the right day to chop me.
YOU yourself said "no HK, you are town and you are stuck here" and with extremely little analysis or thought you shift that read 180 degrees into "HK isn't blindly trusting me therefore he is a bad guy".

That's not how town should play lylo here. If anything you, as town, should be thankful that I'm taking my time and talking through possibilities and how I'm reading the thread so that we can all get on the same page, right?

Just because I'm saying of the semi-clears you could still be a wolf doesn't mean I'm wolfing here, it means I'm trying to ensure that the people we have as "cleared" are actually cleared.

Your second bad post is where you recap where every one wants to kill. Dolby has put me on his list of bad guys as well, and has for at least one phase, so for you to say he's not offering me up is wrong.

Finally, your post towards winston, saying "the more you talk the more I'm itching to policy you" stifles discussion, eliminates a voice from your consideration and for what? Nothing that I can see from you points towards Winston being a wolf or the SK here.

Talking about policy, even as a joke, in lylo is something town should never ever do.

You... realise that reads changing are a thing, don't you? I was also SRing Csargo until we scanned him and found he was inno. That, coupled with everything I outlined in my first post, let me put you in my PoE - again, in my very first post. To claim lack of progression is a horrifyingly bad take from you.

As to your second paragraph, I have seen it time and time again that when scum gets cornered, they latch onto the unlikeliest of worlds in order to try and get the heat off them, and with you being in my PoE, your tinfoiling of me came across as exactly that.

As to your Dolby point, do you think I'm swayed by him offering you up at some point in the past? I asked him how my Winston and Vro reads could be wrong, and he couldn't answer at that point. Instead he said he was not going to try and argue against my Winston read and Vro looked really towny, too. So just by process of elimination, since he needs to remove one of them from the town world in order take their place in it, I took his "but Vro looks so towny, ugh" as a sign that he was reluctantly choosing to question Vro's alignment there. I also don't have perfect memory of everyone and who they've scum read at all points in the game.

And then on to the Winston one, I was getting agitated by his tin-foily nonsense for the same reason I got agitated by your tin-foily nonsense.

[hollowkatt]

You... realise that reads changing are a thing, don't you? I was also SRing Csargo until we scanned him and found he was inno. That, coupled with everything I outlined in my first post, let me put you in my PoE - again, in my very first post. To claim lack of progression is a horrifyingly bad take from you.

As to your second paragraph, I have seen it time and time again that when scum gets cornered, they latch onto the unlikeliest of worlds in order to try and get the heat off them, and with you being in my PoE, your tinfoiling of me came across as exactly that.

As to your Dolby point, do you think I'm swayed by him offering you up at some point in the past? I asked him how my Winston and Vro reads could be wrong, and he couldn't answer at that point. Instead he said he was not going to try and argue against my Winston read and Vro looked really towny, too. So just by process of elimination, since he needs to remove one of them from the town world in order take their place in it, I took his "but Vro looks so towny, ugh" as a sign that he was reluctantly choosing to question Vro's alignment there. I also don't have perfect memory of everyone and who they've scum read at all points in the game.

And then on to the Winston one, I was getting agitated by his tin-foily nonsense for the same reason I got agitated by your tin-foily nonsense.

re dolby: no, I am pointing out where you're wrong. idgaf if you're swayed or not, you asked me why I posted what I did, I'm answering. One of the reasons I sus you is b/c you're wrong on things, or leaving things out.
And yeah, I'm claiming lack of progression on you.

I do realize changing reads are a thing, but like this shift from "you're not dying today" to "you must die today" is jarring, bad, and I told you so yesterday
I was topping peoples SK list yesterday, with at least one "hk is a wolf" out there. Objectively yesterday was 100% the correct day to resolve me if you're going to chop me. NOW you have to actually chop a wolf IF you are town and your push here smells a lot like "wolves need one mischop to win and HK is it"

[Laurentus]

re dolby: no, I am pointing out where you're wrong. idgaf if you're swayed or not, you asked me why I posted what I did, I'm answering. One of the reasons I sus you is b/c you're wrong on things, or leaving things out.
And yeah, I'm claiming lack of progression on you.

I do realize changing reads are a thing, but like this shift from "you're not dying today" to "you must die today" is jarring, bad, and I told you so yesterday
I was topping peoples SK list yesterday, with at least one "hk is a wolf" out there. Objectively yesterday was 100% the correct day to resolve me if you're going to chop me. NOW you have to actually chop a wolf IF you are town and your push here smells a lot like "wolves need one mischop to win and HK is it"

Oh my god, wow, this take...

I don't know how to tell you this, but Ive been saying you're the SK the whole damn day. And I specifically said we *shouldn't* chop the SK and in fact treat it as Town for voting purposes.

[hollowkatt]

Oh my god, wow, this take...

I don't know how to tell you this, but Ive been saying you're the SK the whole damn day. And I specifically said we *shouldn't* chop the SK and in fact treat it as Town for voting purposes.

I think my point still stands. yesterday was the day to chop me, there will never be another day to chop me.

[Laurentus]

I think my point still stands. yesterday was the day to chop me, there will never be another day to chop me.

Yes, there will: when we've chopped all the Wolves and for some reason the game goes on. If you're Town (fuck it, even if you're SK) then you can and should show me where the real one's hiding out. We have 3 day phases for that if all goes well.

[Laurentus]

that's a decent point. the answer would be who's listening to csargo?
but sure, lets go back to the world at the beginning of the day
csargo is clear
you clear vro
pzelda clears you

that means 3 bad guys in {hk, dolby, winston, borg} right?
one of those will be town, one will be SK, the other two will be wolf.
All we have to do then is hit the 50/50 on the wolf, right?

For me the best shot there is dolby.

I think my point still stands. yesterday was the day to chop me, there will never be another day to chop me.

Notice how quickly he steps off in both these posts here, when it's clear I wasn't going to get cowed.

[Laurentus]

If Winston and HK are both Town, Vro has infiltrated my core. The same is true if anyone else like Borg or Dolby are also Town. I am just having a lot of trouble seeing that world, and I can't get passed the derp. What team is he even on? Maybe Dolby's?

The only reason I can think of for why the derp wouldn't work is if Vro just genuinely didn't get involved much with the decision to kill Lewwyn. Or if Lewwyn was killed for completely unrelated reasons, like just being the most unlynchable townie. Oh, god, that's actually plausible, innit?

[Laurentus]

@Vroendal, I am having a massive case of the paranoia and I need your reassurance.

[Vroendal]

@Vroendal, I am having a massive case of the paranoia and I need your reassurance.

Well, you need to be paranoid about everyone at some point. I've never seen a wolf team that didn't communicate strongly about the night kill, there's two wolves left, lack of communication would be very counter-productive and I would have recognized that. Lewwyn might have been killed for being more unlynchable actually, sure, but I sincerely doubt the wolves weren't thinking about the pzelda connection at all. Defending myself from hypothetical teams I may be on will just end up at WIFOM with you, but I can assure you that I'm really not teamed with anyone.

[BorgPicard]

If Winston and HK are both Town, Vro has infiltrated my core. The same is true if anyone else like Borg or Dolby are also Town. I am just having a lot of trouble seeing that world, and I can't get passed the derp. What team is he even on? Maybe Dolby's?

The only reason I can think of for why the derp wouldn't work is if Vro just genuinely didn't get involved much with the decision to kill Lewwyn. Or if Lewwyn was killed for completely unrelated reasons, like just being the most unlynchable townie. Oh, god, that's actually plausible, innit?

Well one of Dolby and me is the SK, that I can garuntee.

[Laurentus]

Well one of Dolby and me is the SK, that I can garuntee.

And you know this because...?

[Laurentus]

There's a meme for this:

[hollowkatt]

If Winston and HK are both Town, Vro has infiltrated my core. The same is true if anyone else like Borg or Dolby are also Town. I am just having a lot of trouble seeing that world, and I can't get passed the derp. What team is he even on? Maybe Dolby's?

The only reason I can think of for why the derp wouldn't work is if Vro just genuinely didn't get involved much with the decision to kill Lewwyn. Or if Lewwyn was killed for completely unrelated reasons, like just being the most unlynchable townie. Oh, god, that's actually plausible, innit?

[Winston Hughes]

Turns out that, for various reasons, I'm not as available as much as I thought today.

I'll check in occasionally to answer any questions or change my vote as needed, but I'm still looking at an absolute cut-off of an hour before eod.

We can't risk splitting the town vote, so I'll go wherever Csargo leads.

For what it's worth, I think borg is scum, and all he's been doing since the tracker claim fell flat is enjoying himself while trying to push paranoia that he's really the sk.

[Laurentus]

Well, your life kinda hangs in the balance here, so help me look for scum!Vro worlds?

[Laurentus]

re dolby: no, I am pointing out where you're wrong. idgaf if you're swayed or not, you asked me why I posted what I did, I'm answering. One of the reasons I sus you is b/c you're wrong on things, or leaving things out.
And yeah, I'm claiming lack of progression on you.

I do realize changing reads are a thing, but like this shift from "you're not dying today" to "you must die today" is jarring, bad, and I told you so yesterday
I was topping peoples SK list yesterday, with at least one "hk is a wolf" out there. Objectively yesterday was 100% the correct day to resolve me if you're going to chop me. NOW you have to actually chop a wolf IF you are town and your push here smells a lot like "wolves need one mischop to win and HK is it"

Actually, where did I say you had to die today?

[Laurentus]

re dolby: no, I am pointing out where you're wrong. idgaf if you're swayed or not, you asked me why I posted what I did, I'm answering. One of the reasons I sus you is b/c you're wrong on things, or leaving things out.
And yeah, I'm claiming lack of progression on you.

I do realize changing reads are a thing, but like this shift from "you're not dying today" to "you must die today" is jarring, bad, and I told you so yesterday
I was topping peoples SK list yesterday, with at least one "hk is a wolf" out there. Objectively yesterday was 100% the correct day to resolve me if you're going to chop me. NOW you have to actually chop a wolf IF you are town and your push here smells a lot like "wolves need one mischop to win and HK is it"

And this is the post where he seems to have slipped, looking at it again, honestly. I don't know how on earth he got to "Lau wants to mischop me today" when I said - in a post that HK himself quoted, mind you - that I was not going to murder the SK today, and clearly, explicitly and repeatedly considered him the strongest candidate for SK. This feels like he is a Wolf who saw he was in my PoE, and then went full attack mode to try and remove the threat. Because if the shoe fits...