Rampage Out of Space

[hollowkatt]

scum then, got it

yeah, I've gotten this far by doing basically nothing, and now that I'm thisclosetowinning I'm throwing it all away by talking about who's clear and how instead of just throwing down the mother of all buses on my packmate and using that cred to live another day.
Like I will bus, I will bus early, often, and if it suits my purposes I will bus my entire team and win off of that credit.

lol this game is funny and I am enjoying myself

[Winston Hughes]

lol this game is funny and I am enjoying myself

This we can agree upon.

[Winston Hughes]

I will bus, I will bus early, often, and if it suits my purposes I will bus my entire team and win off of that credit.

This wasn't that kind of game, though, was it?

Tim's death shook everything up in way you couldn't predict.

It's all well and good saying what you'd do in a hypothetical.

But this was a closed set-up, with no team having perfect information.

Actual bussing (as opposed to careful distancing) loses nearly all of its value here.

[Winston Hughes]

The worst thing for hk and borg about these recent exchanges is that neither of them looks like they've actually been working this stuff through from a townie perspective.

It's like they're behind the curve, and are giving impressions of how a townie might see the gamestate here, without fully understanding it.

[Winston Hughes]

I mean, I think they understand the gamestate better than us townies, but they're struggling to see how it looks to us.

[Winston Hughes]

Can't fake what you don't understand.

[Laurentus]

Vro, by "factional" do you mean that the Wolf team decides collectively to kill someone, and that person dies without one of them having to carry the kill?

And I'm very confused about why a tracker is implausible to you.

[Winston Hughes]

This game is now 19% of my total posts at the org, which after 11+ years and ~30 games is pretty insane.

Got to try and clear that 20...

[hollowkatt]

case me then winston. If you're so sure I'm wolfing here quote my posts that indicate that, with analysis that shows you're thinking this through. Bet you can't tho

[Laurentus]

case me then winston. If you're so sure I'm wolfing here quote my posts that indicate that, with analysis that shows you're thinking this through. Bet you can't tho

I'd start with literally quoting one of my posts where you see I say we don't chop the SK today, and then somehow progress to "you're trying to mischop me today."

[Winston Hughes]

case me then winston.

I already have.

If you're so sure I'm wolfing here quote my posts that indicate that, with analysis that shows you're thinking this through. Bet you can't tho

This is exactly how I protect myself as scum. Because, like you, I'm really good at faking that townie tone, avoiding obvious errors, and generally riding the threadflow in a way that feels superficially convincing while nudging things where I want them to go.

The point isn't that this post or that post is scummy in itself. The point is that you've come in pushing angles that don't fit with where your mind ought to be if you were actually town.

Picking the policy bit when borg had just dropped a weaksauce investigative claim was just yuck.

[Vroendal]

Vro, by "factional" do you mean that the Wolf team decides collectively to kill someone, and that person dies without one of them having to carry the kill?

And I'm very confused about why a tracker is implausible to you.

That's what I've heard it as.
A tracker isn't completely implausible, but if Factional means what I think it does, then the tracker would only exist to see other scum possible scum actions and the SK visit, which feels a little imbalanced when there are town PR's that would be difficult to differentiate from scum visits. BP is claiming to have tracked Tim N1, I assume to c4, but if the kill really is factional, then he's straight-up lying. There's no listed ability for Tim, so I assume the only way he would be visiting c4 so that BP's alleged tracker ability would see him is if Tim was carrying the kill.

Unless I'm wrong about what factional means here, in which case, oof, but I'm pretty sure BP is just bad here anyway.

[Vroendal]

Tim's flip states:
"The Mafia choose someone to kill at night. Kills are factional, and therefore not assigned (will not interfere with individual abilities)."

Not assigned sounds pretty specific to me, how else would you interpret it?

[Laurentus]

I think my point still stands. yesterday was the day to chop me, there will never be another day to chop me.

Tim's flip states:
"The Mafia choose someone to kill at night. Kills are factional, and therefore not assigned (will not interfere with individual abilities)."

Not assigned sounds pretty specific to me, how else would you interpret it?

Yeah, the "not assigned" part leaves very little room for doubt.

Okay, the next thing we need to square away: Borg is either SK or scum, which do we judge more likely?

For me the answer is a clear

Vote: Borg

[Winston Hughes]

Given the complexity of the other power roles, and the fine balance of the whole situation, does Monty ever just plop a town tracker in this game?

It's so crass and uninteresting.

[Winston Hughes]

Tracker would be horribly swingy here.