Rampage Out of Space

[Vroendal]

Yeah nvm, BP's claims have all been ridiculous, this is just another bluff I think.

[Laurentus]

Nah this is in reference to BP. His latest claim (except the killing players part, I don't believe that) kinda makes actual sense sense from his previous claim's perspective, as a scum I think he might be more aware that the "not assigned" bit had been revealed. If I believe his claim though, he's the only townie of the 4 I'm wary of though, and Winston's been making plays today, his tone has been incredible.

I feel like we're speaking passed each other here. Did you mean to quote your post where you role claimed and then respond to that with the Michi reference?

[Vroendal]

Ya don't say. And what has it done for your worldview?

Nothing really, just eliminated paranoia. I'm still thinking Winston's town and HK's the SK.

[Vroendal]

I feel like we're speaking passed each other here. Did you mean to quote your post where you role claimed and then respond to that with the Michi reference?

Oh no, I should have made the cut more clear. My claim wasn't related to the Michi bit, the Michi bit was related to BP's posts, I should've distanced the paragraphs more or elaborated for clarity.

[Laurentus]

I feel like we're speaking passed each other here. Did you mean to quote your post where you role claimed and then respond to that with the Michi reference?

Never mind, I figured it out. I need my monkey emoji.

[Vroendal]

Never mind, I figured it out. I need my monkey emoji.

It was my bad. My thoughts are all jumbled atm and it shows.

[Laurentus]

Yeah nvm, BP's claims have all been ridiculous, this is just another bluff I think.

I don't want to reject them out of hand, but like, they just don't make any sort of sense to me. The one where he says if he's the only wagon, and there's only one person on it, is so incredibly bizarre. What is the point of a role like that? It makes me actually want to test it.

[Vroendal]

I don't want to reject them out of hand, but like, they just don't make any sort of sense to me. The one where he says if he's the only wagon, and there's only one person on it, is so incredibly bizarre. What is the point of a role like that? It makes me actually want to test it.

That's why it's ridiculous. I kinda wish it existed, I've never heard of anything like it, I don't even know what it would be called. Its very creativity is kinda what was throwing me off, but it's very convenient to have a distinctive claim in this situation.

[Laurentus]

At this point I think LA is just lolcatting.

[Laurentus]

That's why it's ridiculous. I kinda wish it existed, I've never heard of anything like it, I don't even know what it would be called. Its very creativity is kinda what was throwing me off, but it's very convenient to have a distinctive claim in this situation.

But yeah, if you start to feel yourself wavering again, ask yourself what has gone wrong with the PoE. Because if it's not LA, what the hell have we missed here?

[Vroendal]

I want to see Dolby takes.

[Vroendal]

But yeah, if you start to feel yourself wavering again, ask yourself what has gone wrong with the PoE. Because if it's not LA, what the hell have we missed here?

Winston/Dolby with HK as the SK.

[Laurentus]

Winston/Dolby with HK as the SK.

Plausible world. Both have an incredible tone, though. The fact that Winston really wants to change convince that Dolby is the SK is the main paint to that world, but his interactions with HK just feel incredibly Town.

[Vroendal]

Plausible world. Both have an incredible tone, though. The fact that Winston really wants to change convince that Dolby is the SK is the main paint to that world, but his interactions with HK just feel incredibly Town.

Yuuup.

[Laurentus]

Plus LA is just too weird to be Town.

[Laurentus]

Like, it's really best not even to think of LA's claims too hard, even, because I gave myself a moment of abject terror when I considered how him not seemingly realising that scum didn't have assigned roles could be a sign that points to being the SK.

Actually, fuck it, I'm in abject terror mode again now.

[Laurentus]

Now I kinda wanna lynch Dolby, HK or Winston. Christ.

[Laurentus]

And before I act on this impulse, I'm heading straight back to bed.

[Csargo]

@Csargo

If you could read and figure out if there's a world where hk/dolby is the scum team, that would be most helpful.

I was going to do it, but then shitposting and beer happened.

I don't remember anything that would make it impossible, but I'll keep it in mind when I'm rereading the thread tomorrow.

[Laurentus]

@Csargo, assuming for a moment that my read on Vro is correct, who is the liar between HK and Winston here, for you? HK's arguments seem much more rational, which is pretty much what I expect from him as either alignment, really, although I've never seen him Wolf. But Winston's just feel purer. I am also incredibly paranoid about HK's weird push, because that felt to me like he was pushing a motive onto my words and actions that I didn't have, and reading back on the discussion, don't see how someone could reasonably have come to the conclusions he came to, either.

[Laurentus]

you have two bad posts today. The first bad post is the one where you tell everyone to take what I'm saying with a massive dose of salt.
I said yesterday when people started floating theories that I'm bad (mafia or SK didn't matter) that yesterday was 100% the right day to chop me.
YOU yourself said "no HK, you are town and you are stuck here" and with extremely little analysis or thought you shift that read 180 degrees into "HK isn't blindly trusting me therefore he is a bad guy".

That's not how town should play lylo here. If anything you, as town, should be thankful that I'm taking my time and talking through possibilities and how I'm reading the thread so that we can all get on the same page, right?

Just because I'm saying of the semi-clears you could still be a wolf doesn't mean I'm wolfing here, it means I'm trying to ensure that the people we have as "cleared" are actually cleared.

Your second bad post is where you recap where every one wants to kill. Dolby has put me on his list of bad guys as well, and has for at least one phase, so for you to say he's not offering me up is wrong.

Finally, your post towards winston, saying "the more you talk the more I'm itching to policy you" stifles discussion, eliminates a voice from your consideration and for what? Nothing that I can see from you points towards Winston being a wolf or the SK here.

Talking about policy, even as a joke, in lylo is something town should never ever do.

Like, I can square the take here, just showing up to a thread where someone was previously TRing you and is now either SRing or TP-ing you (Third-party-ing, I will die on this hill I've just created) might be a convincing reason for a response like this - if it didn't ignore literally my first post of the day where I specifically pointed out my PoE was now Dolby/Borg/HK due to the Csargo = Town result, Vro being derped and Winston already having a scan on him, and that one of these was the people in my PoE SK, and I believed it to be HK. I explained my progression in the very first post of the round. So this felt like it was pushing an agenda.

[Laurentus]

If no one else counterclaims it it's confirmed

since no way he was with IK

Dolby, posts like these really make me wanna not-murder you. Where am I wrong in my PoE?

[Laurentus]

with every post about teams today you're widening the potential poe and you're apparently living in a world now where I'm never town, even after yesterday you saying "hk you are town and you're not dying today".

What changed, why, and where's your work showing it?

And the context HK is ignoring here is that I was asking Dolby where I was wrong about my PoE if he was in fact inno, and then offered up a Winston/Borg team which I found to be faulty, and replaced Borg with HK, and this happened when Winston was saying some shit that made me really paranoid about him. So that's my progression right there. The "what changed, why, where's your work" thing thus again just comes off as a really desperate push hoping something sticks.

[Laurentus]

Okay, so one thing that is a bit awkward which I'm not seeing you address here yet: why the hell would I openly acknowledge that I paired up with Zelda and helped him scan Csargo? Because that makes Csargo a 100% scan, and the last thing I want as a Wolf is any confirmed townies at LYLO.

This is the post where I think he realised pushing me was a fool's errand, and for someone who is usually very logically precise, the fact that he didn't think about this before pushing his odd lines on me is... weird.

[Laurentus]

re dolby: no, I am pointing out where you're wrong. idgaf if you're swayed or not, you asked me why I posted what I did, I'm answering. One of the reasons I sus you is b/c you're wrong on things, or leaving things out.
And yeah, I'm claiming lack of progression on you.

I do realize changing reads are a thing, but like this shift from "you're not dying today" to "you must die today" is jarring, bad, and I told you so yesterday
I was topping peoples SK list yesterday, with at least one "hk is a wolf" out there. Objectively yesterday was 100% the correct day to resolve me if you're going to chop me. NOW you have to actually chop a wolf IF you are town and your push here smells a lot like "wolves need one mischop to win and HK is it"

And this is the post where he seems to have slipped, looking at it again, honestly. I don't know how on earth he got to "Lau wants to mischop me today" when I said - in a post that HK himself quoted, mind you - that I was not going to murder the SK today, and clearly, explicitly and repeatedly considered him the strongest candidate for SK. This feels like he is a Wolf who saw he was in my PoE, and then went full attack mode to try and remove the threat. Because if the shoe fits...

[Laurentus]

that's a decent point. the answer would be who's listening to csargo?
but sure, lets go back to the world at the beginning of the day
csargo is clear
you clear vro
pzelda clears you

that means 3 bad guys in {hk, dolby, winston, borg} right?
one of those will be town, one will be SK, the other two will be wolf.
All we have to do then is hit the 50/50 on the wolf, right?

For me the best shot there is dolby.

I think my point still stands. yesterday was the day to chop me, there will never be another day to chop me.

Notice how quickly he steps off in both these posts here, when it's clear I wasn't going to get cowed.

[Laurentus]

If Winston and HK are both Town, Vro has infiltrated my core. The same is true if anyone else like Borg or Dolby are also Town. I am just having a lot of trouble seeing that world, and I can't get passed the derp. What team is he even on? Maybe Dolby's?

The only reason I can think of for why the derp wouldn't work is if Vro just genuinely didn't get involved much with the decision to kill Lewwyn. Or if Lewwyn was killed for completely unrelated reasons, like just being the most unlynchable townie. Oh, god, that's actually plausible, innit?

[Laurentus]

@Vroendal, I am having a massive case of the paranoia and I need your reassurance.

[BorgPicard]

If Winston and HK are both Town, Vro has infiltrated my core. The same is true if anyone else like Borg or Dolby are also Town. I am just having a lot of trouble seeing that world, and I can't get passed the derp. What team is he even on? Maybe Dolby's?

The only reason I can think of for why the derp wouldn't work is if Vro just genuinely didn't get involved much with the decision to kill Lewwyn. Or if Lewwyn was killed for completely unrelated reasons, like just being the most unlynchable townie. Oh, god, that's actually plausible, innit?

Well one of Dolby and me is the SK, that I can garuntee.

[Laurentus]

There's a meme for this: