Rampage Out of Space

[Csargo]

Do you devote pretty much your entire thread presence to attacking your woof partner D1? What does everyone think? Valid strategy? I'll wait.

[Csargo]

The vast majority of Vroe's interactions are with Tims and WH D1.

[Csargo]

They're all somewhat combative with each other.

[Csargo]

At least that's the vibes I get, need to look closer at Tims/WH interactions.

[Csargo]

nvm winston's a cool dude

[Csargo]

It just looks like winston's trying to feel them both out through interactions, while Tims is actively shading Winston at points and Vroe's just trying to bury him.

[Dolby]

Vote: Hollowkatt

I think that Winston is just townier here. The things that I can really say he has going for him is the D4 vote and not clearing Vro on D5, as well as D1 interactions

I think I'll also say that I don't like HK's vote transitions off of Vroe on D2 or D4, or his attempt to state that Vro was clearer than Laurentus on D5

rps me mate

[Dolby]

if it's winston blame me

[hollowkatt]

Vote: Hollowkatt

I think that Winston is just townier here. The things that I can really say he has going for him is the D4 vote and not clearing Vro on D5, as well as D1 interactions

I think I'll also say that I don't like HK's vote transitions off of Vroe on D2 or D4, or his attempt to state that Vro was clearer than Laurentus on D5

rps me mate

vote: dolby
lets make this quick

[hollowkatt]

you do realize we're going to lose to wolf winston right?

[hollowkatt]

fuck it, vote: winston

you can come along dolby or not idc

[Winston Hughes]

The problem for hk is that yesterday blew up in his face. It wasn't just a bad day, it was disastrous. He was caught thinking untownie thoughts again and again, and struggled to put anything remotely weighty on the other side of the scale. I was smacking him so hard at points it almost felt cruel, but he just didn't have the townie juice to come back at me with any kind of fire. I have to respect his granite jaw, and the sheer bloody-mindedness he showed in keeping up the act. But I have no doubt at all that a town hk would have been swinging back at me, instead of just holding his gloves up and waiting for the bell.

[Winston Hughes]

vote: hk

[hollowkatt]

Do you devote pretty much your entire thread presence to attacking your woof partner D1? What does everyone think? Valid strategy? I'll wait.

Champs G1 2020. I attacked anaxagore D1 for a "bad" reads list, rode that for two days till we turbo chopped him D3. D1 I also started laying groundwork for a wolf read on my other partner oromaji. He no posted D2 or 3, can't remember which now, and was replaced by mistyx (formerly Chemist1422) on D4. The two of us endgamed.

So yeah, attacking partners early can definitely build credit as flips start to happen, the question is are they attacking with what looks like TMI or are they attacking with what looks like townie arguments.

[Dolby]

ugh

[Csargo]

Champs G1 2020. I attacked anaxagore D1 for a "bad" reads list, rode that for two days till we turbo chopped him D3. D1 I also started laying groundwork for a wolf read on my other partner oromaji. He no posted D2 or 3, can't remember which now, and was replaced by mistyx (formerly Chemist1422) on D4. The two of us endgamed.

So yeah, attacking partners early can definitely build credit as flips start to happen, the question is are they attacking with what looks like TMI or are they attacking with what looks like townie arguments.

I know it will work, my question is more if you have a limited number of posts, do you devote 90% of those to interacting/attacking your partners? Vroe made maybe a dozen posts D1 and only a couple dealt with anything other than WH.

I'm sure in that game that's not literally all you did right hk? I haven't gotten past D1, but that's literally all Vroe did.

[Dolby]

it continues somewhat into d2 but it's far more resigned because Winston isn't a viable target at any point and all the wagons are town

[hollowkatt]

I know it will work, my question is more if you have a limited number of posts, do you devote 90% of those to interacting/attacking your partners? Vroe made maybe a dozen posts D1 and only a couple dealt with anything other than WH.

I'm sure in that game that's not literally all you did right hk? I haven't gotten past D1, but that's literally all Vroe did.

No, that wasn't all I did there. I also laid groundwork to get some town chops, but I did start thinking by the middle of D1 how I was going to end game solo based on how my pack mates were doing.

The question to ask here is: did vro interact mostly with his mates/people he knows b/c that was comforting to him or because he was afraid of spewing people town should he flip.
I don't think he ever played like he thought he was in realistic danger of dying, even D5. The Borg kill on him seemed to catch him completely by surprise.

[Csargo]

No, that wasn't all I did there. I also laid groundwork to get some town chops, but I did start thinking by the middle of D1 how I was going to end game solo based on how my pack mates were doing.

The question to ask here is: did vro interact mostly with his mates/people he knows b/c that was comforting to him or because he was afraid of spewing people town should he flip.
I don't think he ever played like he thought he was in realistic danger of dying, even D5. The Borg kill on him seemed to catch him completely by surprise.

The comfort thing was something I was considering. Maybe he pushes/votes Winston because he knows Winstons not really gonna do anything and he's more comfortable antagonizing a woof partner rather than some rando townie.

Does anyone here have experience playing with Vroe?

[Dolby]

Started rereading from D1 again,

If Winston is scum that's a good job from him in faking the interactions between him and Vro because the dynamics would be pretty weird. In that case I'd expecting some low level, but not over the top, conflict to be going on in scum chat at the time. Tims isn't exactly defending Winston, but at a time he has two votes giving soft shade just doesn't seem like scum!Winston

[Dolby]

i'm gonna sheep pzelda b/c he looks smart
vote: Vroendal

I'm close to reading Vroe non-maf for this post.

The only thing stopping me is that Tim knows how prone I am to hard-townreading people who come at me like Vroe did.

Confidence says occam's razor; paranoia says leave a little asterisk.

I get real concerned that I want the wrong guy but also

1. HK knows that the only votes that matter are hammers and end of day
2. I don't think that Winston commits this hard to having the most inaccurate read on Vro possible if teammed?

[Dolby]

HK continues to sheep pzelda on vro for a bit but I think i've already talked about this

[Dolby]

I'm going to have to reread derpgate again (page 20) but I'm concerned that HK used it to park a vote on Laurentus to get his vote off of Vro since the only other option was me who was a townlean

[Dolby]

specifically, I'm seeing not how you got to Laurentus didn't slip

[Dolby]

HK, you don't speak a lot about Vro despite having him as a nominal scumlean

I think you speak loads more about nanook and panda

[Dolby]

winston scumreads vro more when he's more in danger

HK scumreads vro less when he's more in danger

[hollowkatt]

I get real concerned that I want the wrong guy but also

1. HK knows that the only votes that matter are hammers and end of day
2. I don't think that Winston commits this hard to having the most inaccurate read on Vro possible if teammed?

I think you're wrong on me here. Tim knows that the only votes that matter are hammers and end of day. I on the other hand strongly advocate to always be voting, create a paper trail that can be tracked and understood, and that you can use shifts and vote history to track down non-town players.

You can check my games played and see that's true.

The winston post takes context, yeah? Vro was saying he pushed Winston b/c winston "has what I believed to be the clearest wolfy behavior from his lackluster posts throughout the day"

Here's the whole exchange

Vro coming in swinging at whoever is handy is a stark contrast to the way El came in, as late arrivals go. Not gonna go spontaneous combustion about it, but noted.

Yeah, gotta agree with Vro's response if only because I don't think that Winston is a easy target given thread dynamics.

I didn't say "easy target," I said "whoever was handy." Arrive late, pick a fight with whoever is around, get credit for a lot of obvious activity without actually laying down much of anything in the way of reads or real content. El on the other hand came in and started immediately doing due diligence.

Oh, so you're saying I was picking a fight with Winston specifically since he was in the thread at the time of my post. No, I pushed him because he has what I believe to be the clearest wolfy behavior from his lackluster posts throughout the day, making reading his posts purposefully harder by putting one and another language and needlessly stringing out reads into multiple posts, his stilted interactions with another suspicious player, and his lackadaisical vote and unvote on Rask.

I have difficulty analyzing this early and I struggle to articulate my reads, but that doesn't mean I'm making things up based on nothing. El seems like a good player and I respect his effort and playstyle, I can't be El though.

I'm close to reading Vroe non-maf for this post.

The only thing stopping me is that Tim knows how prone I am to hard-townreading people who come at me like Vroe did.

Confidence says occam's razor; paranoia says leave a little asterisk.

I think that's an easy post for a mate to make. It's got the town lean off of vros aggression, the built-in escape clause with the line about Tim, and then the conclusion is mealymouthed as well.
I've seen posts like this from wolves before and have caught them off of it.