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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    To get some feedback on a less butthurting subject: Would the Liberal Democrats have any reason, based on internal politics, not to form another coalition with Cons in 2024 if asked?
    Not sure whose butthurt here, but: If they perceive that they can advance their agenda as part of a putative future coalition then no indeed, they [sh]ould seriously consider a coalition.
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    The Allegra Stratton affair sums up the Tories. The recruitment officer rejects her candidacy for press officer because she's substandard in every way. Johnson overrules the professional decision and hires her anyway because of personal links, putting her on the public payroll. She turns out to be incompetent at this role, and is moved to another, remaining on the public payroll. Rumours of parties last Christmas, at a time when lockdown rules (followed by the rest of the country) forbade them. Johnson assures us no such thing happened. Footage is released showing exactly this thing that the PM says didn't happen.

    This government has no raison d'etre except corruption and funding friends and family with public money. But they have an indisputable democratic mandate, backed by voters who believe the PM's every word, no matter how it contradicts concrete evidence. If Boris Johnson says it is so, it must be so.

    Oh, and Stratton has resigned and apologised for this party that Johnson assured us never happened.

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    live by the sword, die by the sword.

    more than anything else: i'm entertained by the sheer amount of political capital boris burned on behalf of carrie in getting allegra stratton hired as chief of staff in place of cummings preferred choice!
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    Not sure whose butthurt here, but: If they perceive that they can advance their agenda as part of a putative future coalition then no indeed, they [sh]ould seriously consider a coalition.
    I have no idea how this is being covered in UK media or analysis, but it deserves more. With the presumptive loss of Scotland to either major party, even the Conservatives suffer a reduction to their maximum hold (though not as much as Labour). This allows the LibDems, unfortunately, to reinforce their role as a gatekeeper party going forward; certainly, Labour seems likely to need LibDem cooperation to form its next government, yet alas:

    "So bye, bye to the great Lib-Lab lie
    That it’s made in heaven
    ‘cos that’s pie in the sky
    Us Lib Dems will take courage and cry
    “Tony Blair can f*ck off and die”"


    I mean, if they don't want Tony Blair...


    EDIT: Might see a pause in those BN(O) visa applications lmao.
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    not sure I understand the "lmao"...?

    forcing a retreat on the extradition bill is a valuable victory for hong-kong chinese citizens, but i'm not sure that alone can be said to reverse the collapse in 'two-systems' hong-kong representative democracy.
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    Johnson might not have been at the party that Stratton resigned for, but pictorial evidence has now been posted of him at another party at No.10 a few days earlier. Still within the lockdown period.

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    is that the pic where he's at the other end of remote zoom quiz - usually accompanied by distraught and tearful #FBPE types saying how they "shocked!" that he was partying while "their relatives died alone in hospital!" **tears well up in thine eyes**?
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    Daniel Kawczynski’s repeated pleas for lucrative employment – revealed in a series of WhatsApp messages seen by the Guardian – show him citing his pro-Saudi stance in parliament as part of an attempt to get paid work from a businessman.

    The Tory MP for Shrewsbury and Atcham asked a fixer to find him work with a Saudi employer, describing himself as the most “pro-Saudi” member of parliament and boasting that the Saudi leader, Mohammed bin Salman, “has stated that Saudi has no better friend in UK than me”.

    In one message, Kawczynski said: “I am looking for a position with a company as non exec director or adviser/consultant. Obviously my passion for Anglo Arab relations [is] something which could help a company with relations in the UK or Middle East. Not sure what remuneration I am looking for but you are such a good negotiator!!! Best wishes Daniel.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ts-school-fees

    Does his democratically elected status excuse this kind of direct grift? NB. this is the bloke who appealed to the Polish government to veto any extension of Britain's EU membership ahead of Parliament's vote on the matter.

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    looks like a wrong-un to me.

    may all the legal and reputational forces of calamity fall upon him that be deserving of his egregious sin.

    do we need a "quo vadis tories" thread?
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    do we need a "quo vadis tories" thread?
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    haha, not the first time that 'correction' has been used in the Commons to escape censure from the Speaker.
    a classic of the genre.
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    Shropshire North falls to the Lib Dems in the second biggest swing post-war, after the previous Tory MP resigned due to corruption. This was the bloke who was suspended by the Commons committee investigating him, only to have his mate the PM pass a Law retrospectively exonerating him (that said corrupt MP voted for).

    Now will Daniel Kawczynski face the same for using his Parliamentary status to try and get Saudi money?

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    A good result. Happy to see the Lib-Dems do well and dodgy MP's get punished, and complacent Governing parties put on notice.

    do we need a "quo vadis tories" thread?
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    I realise that it seems to be the only recourse is to vote against the party rather than anything happens to the individual who was culpable - the politician resigned before the vote and the new person that lost (seemingly) has nothing against them.

    It would be great to see recall votes against others that have also shown themselves to be corrupt - hell, even perhaps that some mechanism exists inside Westminster. Politicians of all parties react extremely negatively against actions that might shorten their tenure in what many see as jobs for life rather than representing their constituents.

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    The cabinet secretary who'd been appointed to investigate the truth behind allegations that parties had been held at Downing Street during lockdown has resigned. Because it's come out that he'd held parties during lockdown himself.

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