Last edited by Furunculus; 12-08-2021 at 15:23.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
The Allegra Stratton affair sums up the Tories. The recruitment officer rejects her candidacy for press officer because she's substandard in every way. Johnson overrules the professional decision and hires her anyway because of personal links, putting her on the public payroll. She turns out to be incompetent at this role, and is moved to another, remaining on the public payroll. Rumours of parties last Christmas, at a time when lockdown rules (followed by the rest of the country) forbade them. Johnson assures us no such thing happened. Footage is released showing exactly this thing that the PM says didn't happen.
This government has no raison d'etre except corruption and funding friends and family with public money. But they have an indisputable democratic mandate, backed by voters who believe the PM's every word, no matter how it contradicts concrete evidence. If Boris Johnson says it is so, it must be so.
Oh, and Stratton has resigned and apologised for this party that Johnson assured us never happened.
live by the sword, die by the sword.
more than anything else: i'm entertained by the sheer amount of political capital boris burned on behalf of carrie in getting allegra stratton hired as chief of staff in place of cummings preferred choice!
Last edited by Furunculus; 12-09-2021 at 09:02.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
I have no idea how this is being covered in UK media or analysis, but it deserves more. With the presumptive loss of Scotland to either major party, even the Conservatives suffer a reduction to their maximum hold (though not as much as Labour). This allows the LibDems, unfortunately, to reinforce their role as a gatekeeper party going forward; certainly, Labour seems likely to need LibDem cooperation to form its next government, yet alas:
"So bye, bye to the great Lib-Lab lie
That it’s made in heaven
‘cos that’s pie in the sky
Us Lib Dems will take courage and cry
“Tony Blair can f*ck off and die”"
I mean, if they don't want Tony Blair...
EDIT: Might see a pause in those BN(O) visa applications lmao.
Last edited by Montmorency; 12-09-2021 at 06:09.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
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not sure I understand the "lmao"...?
forcing a retreat on the extradition bill is a valuable victory for hong-kong chinese citizens, but i'm not sure that alone can be said to reverse the collapse in 'two-systems' hong-kong representative democracy.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
Johnson might not have been at the party that Stratton resigned for, but pictorial evidence has now been posted of him at another party at No.10 a few days earlier. Still within the lockdown period.
Rules for thee, but not for me.
is that the pic where he's at the other end of remote zoom quiz - usually accompanied by distraught and tearful #FBPE types saying how they "shocked!" that he was partying while "their relatives died alone in hospital!" **tears well up in thine eyes**?
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ts-school-feesDaniel Kawczynski’s repeated pleas for lucrative employment – revealed in a series of WhatsApp messages seen by the Guardian – show him citing his pro-Saudi stance in parliament as part of an attempt to get paid work from a businessman.
The Tory MP for Shrewsbury and Atcham asked a fixer to find him work with a Saudi employer, describing himself as the most “pro-Saudi” member of parliament and boasting that the Saudi leader, Mohammed bin Salman, “has stated that Saudi has no better friend in UK than me”.
In one message, Kawczynski said: “I am looking for a position with a company as non exec director or adviser/consultant. Obviously my passion for Anglo Arab relations [is] something which could help a company with relations in the UK or Middle East. Not sure what remuneration I am looking for but you are such a good negotiator!!! Best wishes Daniel.”
Does his democratically elected status excuse this kind of direct grift? NB. this is the bloke who appealed to the Polish government to veto any extension of Britain's EU membership ahead of Parliament's vote on the matter.
looks like a wrong-un to me.
may all the legal and reputational forces of calamity fall upon him that be deserving of his egregious sin.
do we need a "quo vadis tories" thread?
Last edited by Furunculus; 12-16-2021 at 01:01.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
https://twitter.com/richarddawkins/s...29504290635776
Dennis Skinner MP: "Half the Tory members opposite are crooks."
Mr Speaker told him to withdraw.
"OK, half the Tory members aren't crooks."
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
Shropshire North falls to the Lib Dems in the second biggest swing post-war, after the previous Tory MP resigned due to corruption. This was the bloke who was suspended by the Commons committee investigating him, only to have his mate the PM pass a Law retrospectively exonerating him (that said corrupt MP voted for).
Now will Daniel Kawczynski face the same for using his Parliamentary status to try and get Saudi money?
A good result. Happy to see the Lib-Dems do well and dodgy MP's get punished, and complacent Governing parties put on notice.
do we need a "quo vadis tories" thread?
Last edited by Furunculus; 12-17-2021 at 11:37.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
I realise that it seems to be the only recourse is to vote against the party rather than anything happens to the individual who was culpable - the politician resigned before the vote and the new person that lost (seemingly) has nothing against them.
It would be great to see recall votes against others that have also shown themselves to be corrupt - hell, even perhaps that some mechanism exists inside Westminster. Politicians of all parties react extremely negatively against actions that might shorten their tenure in what many see as jobs for life rather than representing their constituents.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
The cabinet secretary who'd been appointed to investigate the truth behind allegations that parties had been held at Downing Street during lockdown has resigned. Because it's come out that he'd held parties during lockdown himself.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...c2140704b066a5
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Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
i'm not sure i entirely understand this, but it looks like the left is eating itself:
the left, is using shady intelligence tactics to deplatform... the left.
there are of course shades of leftism at work here: the "hard-left", the "melts", the "trotskyist backstabbers", the "blairite warmongers", but at this stage it remains unclear as to whom can be deemed pure enough in the leftism to fit into their chosen leftish category, vs having other lefty people categorise them as the wrong sort of leftishness.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/06/07/p...ence-grayzone/
Last edited by Furunculus; 06-09-2022 at 07:21.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
It's been around a while. Why is Furunculus highlighting it now, just as the Tory party is tearing itself apart over Boris Johnson? Isn't there a more prominent example of a political party ripping itself apart in internal struggles than some non-entities on the left pining over someone who isn't even a Labour MP?
It's not tearing itself apart on ideology - it is tearing itself apart over differing views over who can win elections. There's no belief here - have you heard either side have a vision beyond the power itself? There are no contenders who are challenging. Boris stays if he wins by-elections or Council seats - he might have to go if he looses. So it will settle down as soon as they find someone who they think is a "winner" (or if they find they were wrong - as was the case with Hague or Howard they'll remove ASAP and start again after a quick Knighthood or Lordship). The Left it is continuous since winning isn't the point.
Historically, PMs have given up either by this point or soon afterwards due to a combination of a decent grasp on reality or else do what is good for the whole and not just for them. Neither is likely in this case.
Oh, I didn't realise that in the Confidence Vote there are something like 160 Conservative MPs who directly have a Government stipend for something that they are apparently doing - and if Boris were to loose they'd all have to resign (or highly likely to be replaced). I imagine that if these votes were removed - whichever way they voted - the vote would be either much closer or most likely a majority against.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
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