Quo Vadis Labour?

[Furunculus]

i'm not sure i entirely understand this, but it looks like the left is eating itself:

the left, is using shady intelligence tactics to deplatform... the left.

there are of course shades of leftism at work here: the "hard-left", the "melts", the "trotskyist backstabbers", the "blairite warmongers", but at this stage it remains unclear as to whom can be deemed pure enough in the leftism to fit into their chosen leftish category, vs having other lefty people categorise them as the wrong sort of leftishness.

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/06/07/p...ence-grayzone/

[Pannonian]

i'm not sure i entirely understand this, but it looks like the left is eating itself:

the left, is using shady intelligence tactics to deplatform... the left.

there are of course shades of leftism at work here: the "hard-left", the "melts", the "trotskyist backstabbers", the "blairite warmongers", but at this stage it remains unclear as to whom can be deemed pure enough in the leftism to fit into their chosen leftish category, vs having other lefty people categorise them as the wrong sort of leftishness.

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/06/07/p...ence-grayzone/

Don't know what's new. The Corbynite left hate "centrists" above all else, and would rather attack them than the Tories. It's what's known as the "horseshoe effect".

[rory_20_uk]

Don't know what's new. The Corbynite left hate "centrists" above all else, and would rather attack them than the Tories. It's what's known as the "horseshoe effect".

It seems to be an ailment solely of the Left where ideological purity is better than power; the Right power first, ideals where possible.

[Pannonian]

It seems to be an ailment solely of the Left where ideological purity is better than power; the Right power first, ideals where possible.

It's been around a while. Why is Furunculus highlighting it now, just as the Tory party is tearing itself apart over Boris Johnson? Isn't there a more prominent example of a political party ripping itself apart in internal struggles than some non-entities on the left pining over someone who isn't even a Labour MP?

[rory_20_uk]

It's been around a while. Why is Furunculus highlighting it now, just as the Tory party is tearing itself apart over Boris Johnson? Isn't there a more prominent example of a political party ripping itself apart in internal struggles than some non-entities on the left pining over someone who isn't even a Labour MP?

It's not tearing itself apart on ideology - it is tearing itself apart over differing views over who can win elections. There's no belief here - have you heard either side have a vision beyond the power itself? There are no contenders who are challenging. Boris stays if he wins by-elections or Council seats - he might have to go if he looses. So it will settle down as soon as they find someone who they think is a "winner" (or if they find they were wrong - as was the case with Hague or Howard they'll remove ASAP and start again after a quick Knighthood or Lordship). The Left it is continuous since winning isn't the point.

Historically, PMs have given up either by this point or soon afterwards due to a combination of a decent grasp on reality or else do what is good for the whole and not just for them. Neither is likely in this case.

Oh, I didn't realise that in the Confidence Vote there are something like 160 Conservative MPs who directly have a Government stipend for something that they are apparently doing - and if Boris were to loose they'd all have to resign (or highly likely to be replaced). I imagine that if these votes were removed - whichever way they voted - the vote would be either much closer or most likely a majority against.

[Furunculus]

Oh, I didn't realise that in the Confidence Vote there are something like 160 Conservative MPs who directly have a Government stipend for something that they are apparently doing - and if Boris were to loose they'd all have to resign (or highly likely to be replaced). I imagine that if these votes were removed - whichever way they voted - the vote would be either much closer or most likely a majority against.

one of my least favourite elements of 21st government - the growth of the payroll vote. creating a client parliament and thus preventing its proper functioning.