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Originally Posted by katze:
okay wow that wolfgame is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than i remembered from him LMAO
hold on im finding one on MU real quick
I absolutely froze after like day 2 thereokay wow that wolfgame is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than i remembered from him LMAO
hold on im finding one on MU real quick
Originally Posted by Cape90:
Boston>FOL wolf game>fruit vendor>didney worl 3
wolf games ranked fwiw
oh i knew there was another one i wasnt thinking of, the anonmash (i thought your fruit vendor one was better than the FoL one personally) Boston>FOL wolf game>fruit vendor>didney worl 3
wolf games ranked fwiw
im currently skimming a towngame just to get a frame of reference again but i might skim that
didney worl
Originally Posted by katze:
oh i knew there was another one i wasnt thinking of, the anonmash (i thought your fruit vendor one was better than the FoL one personally)
im currently skimming a towngame just to get a frame of reference again but i might skim that
didney worl
ngl my town game in FOL wasn't much betteroh i knew there was another one i wasnt thinking of, the anonmash (i thought your fruit vendor one was better than the FoL one personally)
im currently skimming a towngame just to get a frame of reference again but i might skim that
didney worl
Originally Posted by Cuthillius:
ender, do you think there are any ways in which the general consensus of the thread starkly differs from your perception of the game?
ender, do you think there are any ways in which the general consensus of the thread starkly differs from your perception of the game?
Originally Posted by Cuthillius:
i feel ender is >(>*.5)rand villagery despite also doing a lot of wolfy things
this makes me feel less cozy about some people i called villagers earlier
more on this another time
these quotes are. wolfy.i feel ender is >(>*.5)rand villagery despite also doing a lot of wolfy things
this makes me feel less cozy about some people i called villagers earlier
more on this another time
Originally Posted by Cape90:
ngl my town game in FOL wasn't much better
clearly this is indicative of FoL being the best mafia site in the world (i hear the best player ever hails from there)ngl my town game in FOL wasn't much better
or different environments being difficult for you to adjust to
or you choosing the wrong player to hydra with
anyway after kinda skimming your champs d1s i still think you're somewhere in the middle between the wolf and town games tbh
@Sleep
if you compare what you saw from cape in the mash to what you see this game, ignoring the wolf game on FoL, what would you conclude?
if you compare what you saw from cape in the mash to what you see this game, ignoring the wolf game on FoL, what would you conclude?
im reading cuths iso and all the bad feels are coming back
Originally Posted by katze:
a wolf with a vest is always going to openwolf with it tho?
i dont understand this
yeah, but here's the line: The Collective We decide We want Cape bombed because he's claiming to have the vest and not backing down. Ender can either bomb his partner or he can open wolf, but if he open wolfs we just chop Cape yeah? a wolf with a vest is always going to openwolf with it tho?
i dont understand this
Backing off is the only play wolf?Cape can make there without outing himself. Anyways, I said I was being as uncharitable as possible. I don't think it's actually true tho.
Okay NGL what I am seeing right now from HK's wolfgames looks quite different then what I have observed in this game.
Not sure if it's the feeling that HK is putting less thought into the games in his wolf game then here, but it is kinda what it looks like to me. Seems to be more filler posts in that game then there are here. Seems to be more skepticism/meta stuff here.
Not sure if it's the feeling that HK is putting less thought into the games in his wolf game then here, but it is kinda what it looks like to me. Seems to be more filler posts in that game then there are here. Seems to be more skepticism/meta stuff here.
Originally Posted by Cape90:
I have made it pretty clear that I don't think the mafia is Raskol here, like I would rather save that thought for another day especially given
this string of events that was pointed out pretty much just now by Dobby. Also I think their double down on the thing and arguing with Dobby probably comes from town.
What I have seen from HK games, I find when they are wolf, they usually get more easily found out if that makes sense? I guess I can look, but they have good content and I think that would indicate in itself that HK isn't mafia.
I said this about Dobby/sleep
I don't think I made it clear, but I told Dobby this, I think Dobby has definitely by far has been the most solvy today which makes me just want to keep Dobby alive and probably just have them in towncore.
I am still a little back and forth on you and Cuth, but I almost don't want to think it's either of you, but at the same time, I think it might be, I think Cuth is a little more rand wolf today rather then you mostly for today where I don't really find Cuth's content today that compelling.
I will read wolf!HK since I just don't know his meta and get back to you on that ;)
When I am a wolf I either am found early (before N3 or so) or I end game and win. I have made it pretty clear that I don't think the mafia is Raskol here, like I would rather save that thought for another day especially given
this string of events that was pointed out pretty much just now by Dobby. Also I think their double down on the thing and arguing with Dobby probably comes from town.
What I have seen from HK games, I find when they are wolf, they usually get more easily found out if that makes sense? I guess I can look, but they have good content and I think that would indicate in itself that HK isn't mafia.
I said this about Dobby/sleep
I don't think I made it clear, but I told Dobby this, I think Dobby has definitely by far has been the most solvy today which makes me just want to keep Dobby alive and probably just have them in towncore.
I am still a little back and forth on you and Cuth, but I almost don't want to think it's either of you, but at the same time, I think it might be, I think Cuth is a little more rand wolf today rather then you mostly for today where I don't really find Cuth's content today that compelling.
I will read wolf!HK since I just don't know his meta and get back to you on that ;)
See MU Champs S7 Q1, Bluey Mafia on The Syndicate for end gaming HK
MU S7 Spec Chat: The Game, Thanksgiving Champs S7, Ducktales on The Syndicate for caught early type games.
Originally Posted by katze:
@Sleep
if you compare what you saw from cape in the mash to what you see this game, ignoring the wolf game on FoL, what would you conclude?
i really dont think you can meta off a mash necessarily (in either case, i skimmed the anon game too). too compressed a timeframe and high noise level@Sleep
if you compare what you saw from cape in the mash to what you see this game, ignoring the wolf game on FoL, what would you conclude?
but from what i rad back of his stuff recently it feels like he's consistently putting out genuine analysis in-thread? and he's still at the level where that is not an easy thing for him to fake as scum, at all
that is the short version of it and its an impressionistic read but its what i got from him. could really dissect it but am working on a shortened timescale here
Originally Posted by katze:
if i randed wolf and got a vest i would have blown up a teammate for "wifom purposes" and then when my other teammates carry us to a win i'd say it was a calculated play that only the best wolf in the world could do
tbh
kinda like the deck mafia game where Alison shot her last partner with a day vig action and then just about won off of the cred.if i randed wolf and got a vest i would have blown up a teammate for "wifom purposes" and then when my other teammates carry us to a win i'd say it was a calculated play that only the best wolf in the world could do
tbh
Originally Posted by hollowkatt:
yeah, but here's the line: The Collective We decide We want Cape bombed because he's claiming to have the vest and not backing down. Ender can either bomb his partner or he can open wolf, but if he open wolfs we just chop Cape yeah?
Backing off is the only play wolf?Cape can make there without outing himself. Anyways, I said I was being as uncharitable as possible. I don't think it's actually true tho.
yeah but w!ender just... bombed the clear. he was always going to bomb the clear. there is really no conceivable world the vest being given to a wolf ever gets used on a PoE player regardless of the PoEs purity, it will always be used on clears and top town because it's not a dayvig, it's a suicide bombyeah, but here's the line: The Collective We decide We want Cape bombed because he's claiming to have the vest and not backing down. Ender can either bomb his partner or he can open wolf, but if he open wolfs we just chop Cape yeah?
Backing off is the only play wolf?Cape can make there without outing himself. Anyways, I said I was being as uncharitable as possible. I don't think it's actually true tho.
they dont need to look villagery cuz they're flipping with it lmao
like ik you're flat out saying this is intentionally disingenuous but i think regardless of who teh wolf is ender got the vest and was like "yo visor im blowing up sunbae lmao"
Originally Posted by katze:
anyway after kinda skimming your champs d1s i still think you're somewhere in the middle between the wolf and town games tbh
decided to look there for funanyway after kinda skimming your champs d1s i still think you're somewhere in the middle between the wolf and town games tbh
laughed at my read on Cuth OMG
I was just like "Well Cuth had a readslist here in this town game at this point in the game, but in this game Cuth has no readslist at this point in the game"
LMAO dude my early day reads are so funny
Originally Posted by Sleep:
i really dont think you can meta off a mash necessarily (in either case, i skimmed the anon game too). too compressed a timeframe and high noise level
but from what i rad back of his stuff recently it feels like he's consistently putting out genuine analysis in-thread? and he's still at the level where that is not an easy thing for him to fake as scum, at all
that is the short version of it and its an impressionistic read but its what i got from him. could really dissect it but am working on a shortened timescale here
yeah so we can agree that that's a staple of his towngame (it's also present in the champs games) i really dont think you can meta off a mash necessarily (in either case, i skimmed the anon game too). too compressed a timeframe and high noise level
but from what i rad back of his stuff recently it feels like he's consistently putting out genuine analysis in-thread? and he's still at the level where that is not an easy thing for him to fake as scum, at all
that is the short version of it and its an impressionistic read but its what i got from him. could really dissect it but am working on a shortened timescale here
and i agree that, specifically looking at the FoL wolfgame, this game is definitely above that
but i still think it's below the town games
idk. in my head im going back and forth between "if you think he's lacking and your two choices are 'lazy villager' or 'good wolfgame' then he's prob just a lazy villager you dumb cat" and "where banana" (in this analogy bananas are analysis, katzeland is weird)
Originally Posted by katze:
yeah but w!ender just... bombed the clear. he was always going to bomb the clear. there is really no conceivable world the vest being given to a wolf ever gets used on a PoE player regardless of the PoEs purity, it will always be used on clears and top town because it's not a dayvig, it's a suicide bomb
they dont need to look villagery cuz they're flipping with it lmao
like ik you're flat out saying this is intentionally disingenuous but i think regardless of who teh wolf is ender got the vest and was like "yo visor im blowing up sunbae lmao"
katze, I said originally I was being as uncharitable as humanly possible. I don't think that's what actually happened. Obvs Ender is always going to bomb the claimed PR. Obvs Cape is always going to rescind the vest. it's all mootyeah but w!ender just... bombed the clear. he was always going to bomb the clear. there is really no conceivable world the vest being given to a wolf ever gets used on a PoE player regardless of the PoEs purity, it will always be used on clears and top town because it's not a dayvig, it's a suicide bomb
they dont need to look villagery cuz they're flipping with it lmao
like ik you're flat out saying this is intentionally disingenuous but i think regardless of who teh wolf is ender got the vest and was like "yo visor im blowing up sunbae lmao"
Originally Posted by hollowkatt:
yeah, but here's the line: The Collective We decide We want Cape bombed because he's claiming to have the vest and not backing down. Ender can either bomb his partner or he can open wolf, but if he open wolfs we just chop Cape yeah?
Backing off is the only play wolf?Cape can make there without outing himself. Anyways, I said I was being as uncharitable as possible. I don't think it's actually true tho.
me backing down isn't AI, what are you saying?yeah, but here's the line: The Collective We decide We want Cape bombed because he's claiming to have the vest and not backing down. Ender can either bomb his partner or he can open wolf, but if he open wolfs we just chop Cape yeah?
Backing off is the only play wolf?Cape can make there without outing himself. Anyways, I said I was being as uncharitable as possible. I don't think it's actually true tho.
Originally Posted by Cape90:
me backing down isn't AI, what are you saying?
I can't believe HK believes I would brainwash the Sorc into believing they bombed me instead of who they bombed.me backing down isn't AI, what are you saying?
That must be some 200 IQ robot stuff
Originally Posted by Cape90:
decided to look there for fun
laughed at my read on Cuth OMG
I was just like "Well Cuth had a readslist here in this town game at this point in the game, but in this game Cuth has no readslist at this point in the game"
LMAO dude my early day reads are so funny
(It was like 300ish posts in the game too)decided to look there for fun
laughed at my read on Cuth OMG
I was just like "Well Cuth had a readslist here in this town game at this point in the game, but in this game Cuth has no readslist at this point in the game"
LMAO dude my early day reads are so funny
Originally Posted by hollowkatt:
katze, I said originally I was being as uncharitable as humanly possible. I don't think that's what actually happened. Obvs Ender is always going to bomb the claimed PR. Obvs Cape is always going to rescind the vest. it's all moot
well if you wanted to be as uncharitable as possible and also realistic i think the path is likekatze, I said originally I was being as uncharitable as humanly possible. I don't think that's what actually happened. Obvs Ender is always going to bomb the claimed PR. Obvs Cape is always going to rescind the vest. it's all moot
cape knows that ender has the vest and is trying to play it up like he doesn't
because that's a possibility i have genuinely considered and, if he is mafia, is probably exactly what happened
:p
oh my god forget I ever said anything about cape, the vest, and ender. I was being as uncharitable as possible, I don't actually think that's what happened. It was a thought exercise in "how bad can I make this look", nothing more.
Clearly I don't believe that's what happened.
Clearly I don't believe that's what happened.
also im a dumbass and agreed to play video games with my friends at 7 (so in like 10 minutes) and eod is at 8 so i will uh
suffer i guess
suffer i guess
Originally Posted by katze:
yeah so we can agree that that's a staple of his towngame (it's also present in the champs games)
and i agree that, specifically looking at the FoL wolfgame, this game is definitely above that
but i still think it's below the town games
idk. in my head im going back and forth between "if you think he's lacking and your two choices are 'lazy villager' or 'good wolfgame' then he's prob just a lazy villager you dumb cat" and "where banana" (in this analogy bananas are analysis, katzeland is weird)
i dunno theres some stuff that seems maybe tmi-ish but the way hes kept it up has been dece. i could go back and case it but i got an hour to READ stuff and make up my own mind unfortunatelyyeah so we can agree that that's a staple of his towngame (it's also present in the champs games)
and i agree that, specifically looking at the FoL wolfgame, this game is definitely above that
but i still think it's below the town games
idk. in my head im going back and forth between "if you think he's lacking and your two choices are 'lazy villager' or 'good wolfgame' then he's prob just a lazy villager you dumb cat" and "where banana" (in this analogy bananas are analysis, katzeland is weird)
Originally Posted by katze:
well if you wanted to be as uncharitable as possible and also realistic i think the path is like
cape knows that ender has the vest and is trying to play it up like he doesn't
because that's a possibility i have genuinely considered and, if he is mafia, is probably exactly what happened
:p
nah, I think if cape/ender are paired cape doesn't say much of anything about the vest, he plays like normal, maybe even lays some sus down before the bomb goes off, and plays from there.well if you wanted to be as uncharitable as possible and also realistic i think the path is like
cape knows that ender has the vest and is trying to play it up like he doesn't
because that's a possibility i have genuinely considered and, if he is mafia, is probably exactly what happened
:p
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Originally Posted by Sleep:
i dunno theres some stuff that seems maybe tmi-ish but the way hes kept it up has been dece. i could go back and case it but i got an hour to READ stuff and make up my own mind unfortunately
i enjoy that 24 hours ago i wanted to maj myself and now with 1 hour to go i want the day to be extendedi dunno theres some stuff that seems maybe tmi-ish but the way hes kept it up has been dece. i could go back and case it but i got an hour to READ stuff and make up my own mind unfortunately
im reading my own posts since viggo figured me out in the mash by pointing out i use town/wolf andi see myself doing it here and im dying inside lmao
Originally Posted by katze:
also im a dumbass and agreed to play video games with my friends at 7 (so in like 10 minutes) and eod is at 8 so i will uh
suffer i guess
have fun. we will handle this also im a dumbass and agreed to play video games with my friends at 7 (so in like 10 minutes) and eod is at 8 so i will uh
suffer i guess
Originally Posted by Cape90:
i didnt want my wolf partner to blow up on me and instantly lose us the game since there was only 2 wolves left when I said that
Truly flawless logic
okay waiti didnt want my wolf partner to blow up on me and instantly lose us the game since there was only 2 wolves left when I said that
Truly flawless logic
I think I get what HK is saying here
But like, if wolf got vest, we cannot force wolf into making a decision like that since that wolf is dying anyways, they WILL be outed. Wolf with vest is just an antispew machine who wants to kill sorc or the towniest person alive
Originally Posted by hollowkatt:
nah, I think if cape/ender are paired cape doesn't say much of anything about the vest, he plays like normal, maybe even lays some sus down before the bomb goes off, and plays from there.
i more or less agree with this sentimentnah, I think if cape/ender are paired cape doesn't say much of anything about the vest, he plays like normal, maybe even lays some sus down before the bomb goes off, and plays from there.
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