Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[katze]

me at the start of today: i will be lazy and sheep dead towns

me after RRing ender and ladd: im never voting katze

i dont know how to feel about this

[Sleep]

i dont know how to feel about this

idfk im just having fun for some insane reason

[katze]

idfk im just having fun for some insane reason

fun? in forum mafia?

teach me your ways

[Sleep]

fun? in forum mafia?

teach me your ways

idk i just went into today saying to myself, dont get too sucked in, it doesnt matter if we win or lose, its just a dumb game, and now i feel incredibly free about it

[katze]

idk i just went into today saying to myself, dont get too sucked in, it doesnt matter if we win or lose, its just a dumb game, and now i feel incredibly free about it

yeah see i tell myself that and then i post 1500 times to ensure i dont die and then after the game insist i should never play mafia again just to play mafia again a week later

this game i felt like i was gonna break that cycle but now im too invested

joycat

[Sleep]

im rereading capes early game posts and idt its him

they arent even bad

wtf was i thinking a week and a half ago

[Sleep]

yeah see i tell myself that and then i post 1500 times to ensure i dont die and then after the game insist i should never play mafia again just to play mafia again a week later

this game i felt like i was gonna break that cycle but now im too invested

joycat

i mean its fun to try, obviously, thats why im still doing it. im just not gonna self-flagellate if i am wrong here, winning or losing doesnt matter

[katze]

lol i just realized every EoD but EoD1/EoD2 is worthless for any sort of VCA

Players Votes

Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, katze, Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)


I believe this is the correct tally.

10 minutes for corrections.

i can be lazy and just look at this VC and then say "lmao if the newcomb wagon is pure"

[Sleep]

I kinda more read Zack's post as a half-joke, I thought it was trying to be real content without actually being real content.

The second part on Sleep/katze was obviously me goofing.

The katze read I made about their long post is the most concrete thing I have right now.

Sunbae also had concerns about my Mont thing and I feel like I put it well in my post. It is just something that I would expect people to shade Mont for even though I would disagree with their suspicions but I would still expect someone to point it out as potentially suspicious or whatever. There has hardly been talk around it in the first place.

I agree with Sunbae's take on Zack/Newcomb for the time being.

Guess I should mention the accusation that I am not adjusting to the game well or whatever. And the answer is pretty simple

It was early on in the game and I wanted to get the content train keeping on steaming down the tracks. As it turns out, it worked, it got people talking about me and stuff. Funny how that works, it's not like I was gonna be lighthearted and jovial all game, I'm kinda a tryhard who doesn't like to have fun after a chunk of time has passed

just seems like a town post for him

i dont think he responds to me trying to dump on him with a wall by locking him as town when hes scum

[Sleep]

although the strength of capes townread on me is kind of adorable

although correct its maybe sleeping on my scum game a little too much? lol. give me at least a little fear so i can feel validated

[katze]

me realizing that vca when the wolves are all dead early is kinda worthless

i find it... interesting that ender ended the day on cape after being so anti-newcomb at eod1? hm.

most people thought enders eod2 was outting for him so but i dont remember thinking that

if his eod is openwolfy i'd assume he doesnt leave vote on teammate unless he's very confident they dont go over tho

[katze]

although the strength of capes townread on me is kind of adorable

although correct its maybe sleeping on my scum game a little too much? lol. give me at least a little fear so i can feel validated

sorry #TheFear is only valid at your local katze

[Sleep]

im actually more strongly believing cape is town the more i read

[hollowkatt]

part of my point is that its FINE if we aren't correct today, because yeah, you and cape in f3 will be a straight up lottery thing to deal with, but not yeeting him (or you) means that f3 will just be insanely hard.

Sleep and HK have kind of gotten free-passes for a huge chunk of the game based on like one or a couple of things and reevaluating that sure it can be done to a bigger extent now in f5 but id rather just, have us wait until f3 when we really would need to, and i genuinely would rather see hk and sleep in f3 than both you and cape.

wat

[katze]

sleep:

were you intending on... acting different this game? like, just. did you put effort into Not Looking Like Gira at any point this game?

[Sleep]

i should say uhh

i think a lot posts hk made are posts that kind of look like they were made to get townread off? and the solviong content is not that strong. cape feels like he keeps trying to analyze things, oftentimes he goes down dead ends but hes exploring a lot of paths. thats what im getting here

[Sleep]

sleep:

were you intending on... acting different this game? like, just. did you put effort into Not Looking Like Gira at any point this game?

uh for at least before i was outed i was sort of trying to play in the style of someone from MS

[katze]

shrug

im vaguely rereading the game

now im remembering why i joined this. i expected to get deaded early to a 'splodey vest. sadge.

[katze]

vote: Sleep

[hollowkatt]

Players Votes

Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, hollowkatt, katze, Cape90)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)


tally correct, ordering isnt

if I die here my legacy is to kill ender then everyone on my wagon

Cheers, if this is it I had fun despite some really wack reasoning w/r/t me

So this is a thing that happened. See also Dobby being on Ender here, I think that's a good look for him.
Newcomb was right on Ender. Wrong on Monte, leaves Me, Katze, Cape.

[hollowkatt]

kinda wanna just speed run this and if I'm alive in F3 insta-vote the person I feel is most likely town.

[hollowkatt]

I also haven't done any of the assigned reading. I'll do that tomorrow.

[katze]

kinda wanna just speed run this and if I'm alive in F3 insta-vote the person I feel is most likely town.

hmmyes

[katze]

i will prob be around even less tomorrow

villas

newcomb
zack

benneh

katze
sleep
HK
mont
ladd
cape

if dobbys the last wolf then ladd just didnt put a single teammate in this post? would be weird

kinda wild that 4 of the people here are still alive in f5

[katze]

im liking my sleep vote more than i expected i would tbh

will sleep on it gn

[katze]

that pun was not intended

lmao

[hollowkatt]

ok, why each person can be town:

katze - this started out purely as a meta read. I reviewed Katzes wolf games I've seen/been in and in those games there's more self-depreciating humor, more self-votes, and more generalized shitposting than there is here. Not to say that there isn't any, but it's not as pronounced. From there I watched katze do actual work, make actual reads, and appear torn on where to go. Is all of that possible to be faked? Yeah, for sure it is. Katze is a fantastic wolf.
Dobby said yesterday that katze was playing exactly like they needed to play to win the game as wolf. I said I wasn't as sure. Then we chopped Cuth instead. All of that to say katze is town because this is vastly unlike any of the wolf games I've seen them bring, and they're doing a reasonable amount of solving while not being over the top.

Cape - reasonable associations with flipped wolves, was pushed rather vigorously by Ender, appears as lost as anyone.

Sleep - tbh fucked if I know. I don't actually have anything I can think of off the top of my head why Sleep would be town. That has to be rectified.

Dobby - Early on Ender when Ender didn't need to be bused, rarely appears on bad wagons, has shown willingness to re-evaluate strongly held positions.


Why each person can be a wolf:

Katze - has yet to vote a wolf (unconfirmed I guess but still with three dead wolves you'd think katze would have voted for one of them by mistake or something by now), mind changes often in ways that are unknowable at times, does not appear to have been strongly pushed by any wolves

Cape - Bit sheepy and bit stingy with the voting, like katze don't think they've voted a wolf yet. Some anti-associatives from dead wolves but could be distancing.

Dobby - This one I struggle with and basically the thought here is that dobby is playing exactly how they would need to in order to win the game as wolf. GTH the biggest indicator that dobby could be a wolf here is how quickly they shifted perspective on me after being gung-ho for the better part of 2 game days HK wolf a relatively brief conversation flipped the script and now dobby is one of my biggest defenders. If dobby is the wolf the play is to take me to F3 and have me vote with him. This read functionally doesn't exist till F3 though.

Sleep - Like with the reasons to town read again fucked if I know. Sleep has been a blind spot for me for basically the entire game and I've been letting everyone elses reads of Sleep do it for me.

tbh Sleep is where I'm going to focus my reading and attention today.

[Sleep]

vote: Sleep

oh goodie can i do my spiel now?

ive been playing turbos with ladd for a few months now. im competent at scum. ladd generally respects my game enough that he wouldnt try to bus me on Day 1 when most people were townreading me for going after cape. you can go "yes he distanced with ender" but theres a difference between doing theater in the middle of the day and voting someone at the end of the day. (i wrongly wrote off ender because of this and i was naive! ladd has a spiel about not bussing but i didn't appreciate the difference). trying to put over a competent partner who isnt getting suspected is just bad play. and then ultimately if im getting bussed i push him back, i dont dumb flop onto newcomb at the last minute

in general i feel like the way i responded to ladd where i was increasingly suspicious of him and interrogating him abiout his read of cape is not what id do with a teammate and shows that i really thought i was onto something in how evasive he was bein with that read


furter from that: as scum here i would be plotting out path to victory. im sure you know how that goes. i have been generally townread but not TOP townread, i would be sitting in a good position. i would not need to upset the status quo. there would be no need for me to come in here and go "hey actually i think its hk" because now you dobby and cape are all giving me the stinkeye in response. i could easily win by taking the path of least resistance. im doing this because i think im onto something

[hollowkatt]

oh goodie can i do my spiel now?

ive been playing turbos with ladd for a few months now. im competent at scum. ladd generally respects my game enough that he wouldnt try to bus me on Day 1 when most people were townreading me for going after cape. you can go "yes he distanced with ender" but theres a difference between doing theater in the middle of the day and voting someone at the end of the day. (i wrongly wrote off ender because of this and i was naive! ladd has a spiel about not bussing but i didn't appreciate the difference). trying to put over a competent partner who isnt getting suspected is just bad play. and then ultimately if im getting bussed i push him back, i dont dumb flop onto newcomb at the last minute

in general i feel like the way i responded to ladd where i was increasingly suspicious of him and interrogating him abiout his read of cape is not what id do with a teammate and shows that i really thought i was onto something in how evasive he was bein with that read


furter from that: as scum here i would be plotting out path to victory. im sure you know how that goes. i have been generally townread but not TOP townread, i would be sitting in a good position. i would not need to upset the status quo. there would be no need for me to come in here and go "hey actually i think its hk" because now you dobby and cape are all giving me the stinkeye in response. i could easily win by taking the path of least resistance. im doing this because i think im onto something

counterpoint: you can't take both cape and I to F3 if you are the wolf. That relies on chopping katze today and NK dobby. So shifting to me, getting me across the line, and then NK either katze or dobby (most likely dobby tho lets be real) gives you an F3 of Cape, Katze, and you. That's a F3 you can win by going back to saying "man I was super wrong on HK but that means it just has to be Cape here" and literally nobody will blink.

[Sleep]

admittedly cape has tailed off in the more recent parts of the game. dont know how much of that has to do with being overburderened with another game + the game being hard from his POV. certainly his weakest posting. however i still like his early game a great degree and think its better than what hes shown his scum game to be. i dont want to succumb to recency bias in my read there.


the way he handled the wagons on mont/cuth is kind of shady ig