Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Monstrdude]

Sunbae
Cuth
Sleep

V/v/v imo

Maaaaaybe zack

[Zack]

Sunbae
Cuth
Sleep

V/v/v imo

Maaaaaybe zack

[hollowkatt]

what sort of content should i make bronana

the kind that outs your alignment.

[hollowkatt]

bronana

[Monstrdude]

I've gone back and forth on sunbae a fair bit this game but ultimately I think that sunbae as a villager is much more likely to post giant swathes of stream-of-consciousness type posts that just sort of explain what he's feeling at any given moment in the the thread. Contrast this to him as a wolf where I'm pretty sure he's more liable to just say whatever random crap gets any villager launched.

I liked cuthilius' exchange saying that newcomb had a rather tepid take, thought it was kind of bold

Sleep's last post was good + I liked the incredulity that they gave when they came right back at me for saying their posts were wolfy. I mean sure a wolf could easily say "no I don't see why you think that's wolfy" but I feel like most wolves actually have a level of awareness of their posts that makes them more inclined to react to someone saying "you're wolfy" with "yea ok"

Zack I feel like generally tries to ignore me as a wolf but that's like a super thin read

[Cuthillius]

Nah Sunbae is more consensus w than v.

As I said tho, not really consensus reads exist, mine are only a bit out of whack with thread.

WRT Ladd I absolutely could see it. But I also think like, he's jumped onto this small thing like a bull terrier and hasn't even bothered to think deeper about it. Like he's got his excuse to push me, doesn't see any solid defense of me, so he's just happy to sit on it and exist without re-evalling.

The larger scale push on him exists but I haven't noticed anything with it that I thought was sus?

I think him walking it back would happen regardless of alignment, as he obviously didn't have a solid reason for it. But I feel like as town there would at least be an explanation of how he got there, instead of this vague "I thought about it and changed my mind." that doesn't tell us exactly how his brain jumped to that.

nods, appreciate this

i qualified the word consensus when i used it in the initial thing for a reason, yeah, more just like the reads that are held by enough people that they're sorta taken as the default in a sense beyond just being held by n people

i would cite like the reads on benneh/ladd as examples of this where people are often just ok like using less effort to clear someone just because so many other people or other people who are active/trustworthy are reading them a certain way

but this matters to some extent because often these are useful for wolves who can further agendas without actually like proactively doing anything towards them, but can also be the process of slow and inevitable death for wolves in face of towncore

wrt ladd sure

do you think the fact that there's like a third of the game that's relatively low impact could make it more likely for v!ladd to put his vote on you, someone who's active and has done a thing he doesn't like, compared to people who have less content and maybe might have fewer villagery things in their favor but also feel less productive to actually vote?

i mean i do things and think things without all of my thought process making into thread all of the time, i'm mostly curious why you jump to "since thought process isn't there, it's >rand w" instead of being like "hey what's the thought process" and then evaluate that on its own merits

there are things where can be ai, but do you think that particular thing seems like something that he literally just made up, and thus not going into more depth is wolfy? do you think w!sunbae would be more or less likely to monitor what he was doing and avoid doing things without having a reasonable reason to back them up than v!sunbae?

[Cuthillius]

Sunbae
Cuth
Sleep

V/v/v imo

Maaaaaybe zack

can you talk about sleep please?

[Cuthillius]

oop

i can read i swear

[Monstrdude]

hk, sunbae




sleep, newcomb



cuth, csar, dobby, rask




benneh, ladd, katze, monstr




cape, blade, monty




zack

This is the second time I've seen you with Zack at the bottom of your reads in a game we've been in together. You like to do this often or just specific to those to games? (The other was representative democracy)

[Csargo]

This is why I found HK's read weird. Because it certainly felt like I was fooling around and having fun to me.

That's why I asked, since I came to a completely different conclusion reading your posts. So it just seemed odd or a mischaracterization to case you, but that also seemed odd to do.

[Cuthillius]

csargo can i get a readslist pretty pleaselist

[Zack]

This is the second time I've seen you with Zack at the bottom of your reads in a game we've been in together. You like to do this often or just specific to those to games? (The other was representative democracy)

it's sort of a meme, I don't think he was being serious

[Monstrdude]

it's sort of a meme, I don't think he was being serious

That probably makes sense then tbh

[katze]

cuth ignoring me ��

zack has been placed at the bottom of my readlist

[Monstrdude]

Vote: Monstrbro

This is an awkward post to read after top village reading someone

[Zack]

cuth ignoring me ��

zack has been placed at the bottom of my readlist

nice

[katze]

emojis not working here is an absolute crime but that is a pensive emoji

[katze]

This is an awkward post to read after top village reading someone

call me a top townread and ill vote u too

[Monstrdude]

Cool, 175 posts in 4 hours. I'll blind- Vote: Monstrbro for that.

Above rand chance this is a wolf

[Monstrdude]

call me a top townread and ill vote u too

Katze top town

You may attempt to launch me now

[katze]

sike im not voting you now

owned

[Monstrdude]

zack

(villagy enough for d1)
newcomb
katze
cape
hollowkatt

(slightly above null)
benneh
cuth
ladd
sleep

(null)
csargo
winston
rask

(mostly not here but also didnt particularly care for their posts, slightly below null)
dobby
monstr

(sorry bronana)
sunbae


ender/bladescape
monty

I think this list is half right but meh what do I know

Maybe the bottom is okay both have been blindly railing me all day

[Monstrdude]

sike im not voting you now

owned

Sike you're my top wolfread

[Monstrdude]

It's not "never interact with people you wolfread you," that would be silly. It's that I don't find it productive to talk to people who wolfread me, or people I wolfread, about that read.

Like what actual good do you think it's gonna do to try to argue about this specific issue if we happen to be v/v? It would be like that meme of spider man pointing at himself.

My wolfread on you is based on a) me noticing that you were talking about me in a way that looked performative vs. having a specific read or one that seemed inquisitive. I.e. just kind of waving your hand around and going "hey guys newcomb looks wolfy" type posts. And then b) me being generally on the lookout for a wolf to try this kind of thing with me - poking at/around me specifically to get townread. Your treatment of me matched both my loose range of people who might try this, and the lack of depth in the approach to it matched my conception of the commitment someone might have to that kind of play D1.

The problem is, what are you going to say to that that's going to be productive in addressing that? "Nah bro that's not what I'd do as a wolf."? We're not arguing about the base facts of what you did, we'd be arguing about subjective interpretations about it, and what use would that be? You're biased.

And you could pretty much flip everything I just said around for you wolfreading me.

If you want my read on you to evolve and change, just play the game, show me you're invested in it, show me your thought process. If you want to find common ground with me specifically, talk to me about literally anything other than your alignment or mine.

Here, I'll start: right now what I'm considering a pivot point this game is cape vs. sleep. Going through the possible worlds where they're v/v, v/w, w/v, and w/w, what do you think the game looks like in those worlds, does anything really important stand out? Do you think any of those configurations are wildly unlikely?

Ftr the above is why I like to leave a lot of my reads inside my head

Outing them can often make things worse, esp if you're not sure

[Zack]

Above rand chance this is a wolf

agreed

you can look back at past games on this forum (that were far more active than this) where monty was town and had no issues getting down and dirty and spamming wallposts from the get go

it's over 24 hours, he's posted and none of it contained anything that could be construed as finding wolves or finding town, and the whine about volume was bleh

[katze]

isnt monte a shitposter

[katze]

wait this is monty not monte

ha

[EnderWiggin]

do you think the fact that there's like a third of the game that's relatively low impact could make it more likely for v!ladd to put his vote on you, someone who's active and has done a thing he doesn't like, compared to people who have less content and maybe might have fewer villagery things in their favor but also feel less productive to actually vote?

i mean i do things and think things without all of my thought process making into thread all of the time, i'm mostly curious why you jump to "since thought process isn't there, it's >rand w" instead of being like "hey what's the thought process" and then evaluate that on its own merits

there are things where can be ai, but do you think that particular thing seems like something that he literally just made up, and thus not going into more depth is wolfy? do you think w!sunbae would be more or less likely to monitor what he was doing and avoid doing things without having a reasonable reason to back them up than v!sunbae?

I think V or W Ladd focuses more on the active players at this point. Active players for town can give you something. Active players for wolves are dangerous and voting the low impact sorta afk people is something I only see newer wolves do. Unless an experienced wolf has a good reason.

I will point out re: Sunbae that I have straight up asked Sunbae to give me their train of thought. And appended my wolf read with a "Unless their explanation makes me happy jiggle."

Can I just ask:
What is the point to these questions? It half feels like you're trying to find a way to pin me into a corner where I've somehow contridicted myself. And I must say it is not a feeling I like in the slightest.

[Zack]

lol d1 tbh

all of my posts are just an elaborate reaction test

can we skip to the part where i suicide bomb katze d2 already?

[katze]

lol d1 tbh

all of my posts are just an elaborate reaction test

can we skip to the part where i suicide bomb katze d2 already?

well now im not giving you the vest tonight bronana