Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Winston Hughes]

dobby's iso pretty pimply for me, btw

[ladd]

ig its because the idea that my push is wolf-motivated suggests that you find it to be in some way disagreeable which implies that i am pushing someone u believe to be a villager, where if there was some gray area i would expect u to maybe try to figure out my perspective more to see if i was a villager who was just misfiring on something rather than declaring me a wolf

i think your push on cape is wolfy cause 1) you are pushing him on stuff that you can easily point out as wolfy but in most cases is nai (e.g. the hedginess) , 2) you don't really seem to give him a fair shake after his asnwer and instead just doublin down and/or jumping at ~every post he makes to see the wolfy side of it instead of trying to give the benefit of the doubt and 3) you remind me of how I wolf which isnt exactly a fair read but c'est la vie

i think cape is slightly >rand v cause he just seemed to be doing his own thing at sod, i liked his posthoumuos explanation of his sod play being that he wanted to be a cannon ball (iirc thats the words he used) and it aligns with how he played it. His caring about how right/wrong he is also seems kinda villagery

hope that helps clarify where i am at

[Winston Hughes]

who else beyond zack and dobby is sus on hk?

[ladd]

I'm surprisingly okay with this.

@katze you are in charge

[hollowkatt]

I like Rask and I don't have strong feelings either way on Monstr/HK and Rask has zero posted, and thought "don't have a good read on" would equate to null for people. Felt like I didn't have to add Dobby/Ender/Capo, because it's not hard to fill in the blanks.

weird...

maybe it was that I didn't think your memes were funny.
Your first 10 or so posts are the ones I felt were "off", and that off-ness I read as "difficulty trying to get into the game"

After that you do improve so meh

I read Ender's early posts as excited/jovial, so did you read them differently? That doesn't seem like something you'd characterize as "difficulty trying to get into the game", unless you just think it was fake? or something else?

This is why I found HK's read weird. Because it certainly felt like I was fooling around and having fun to me.

That's why I asked, since I came to a completely different conclusion reading your posts. So it just seemed odd or a mischaracterization to case you, but that also seemed odd to do.

I read Ender's early posts as excited/jovial, so did you read them differently? That doesn't seem like something you'd characterize as "difficulty trying to get into the game", unless you just think it was fake? or something else?

yeah to me they read as more forced content than anything else. I'm not sure if that's just me being weird or ender being weird. My discussions with ender though recently have given me more of a good feeling about him than his earlier posting did so maybe call him null/lean town instead of 'lets kill'

That's not the vibes I got from those posts, but I don't know ender very well either, so I probably wouldn't notice. #72 is the only thing that Ender's posted that seemed particularly bad to me.

I would have thought at least these exchanges would have given csargo something to go on dependent on his ender read and how I was engaging with him here.
I also think with csargo parking his vote on me here:

this game is literally a who's who of mafia, plus me. So that's cool

Vote:hollowkatt

that he would have at least thought about the person he's voting for, even if his vote at the time was RVS/shitposting.

[Winston Hughes]

i think your push on cape is wolfy cause 1) you are pushing him on stuff that you can easily point out as wolfy but in most cases is nai (e.g. the hedginess) , 2) you don't really seem to give him a fair shake after his asnwer and instead just doublin down and/or jumping at ~every post he makes to see the wolfy side of it instead of trying to give the benefit of the doubt and 3) you remind me of how I wolf which isnt exactly a fair read but c'est la vie

i think cape is slightly >rand v cause he just seemed to be doing his own thing at sod, i liked his posthoumuos explanation of his sod play being that he wanted to be a cannon ball (iirc thats the words he used) and it aligns with how he played it. His caring about how right/wrong he is also seems kinda villagery

hope that helps clarify where i am at

[hollowkatt]

vote: csargo

[Winston Hughes]

vote: dobby

[Zack]

rask seems ~fine to me, let's paranoia misyeet him on d4 tho

who else beyond zack and dobby is sus on hk?

just to clarify, i'm not really

I briefly hopped on after seeing dobby's vote as a "maybe I was giving HK too much credit earlier" but after thinking about it more for a few minutes after, it was probably simple read decay (as i think ladd alluded to)

[Winston Hughes]

vote: csargo

[Newcomb]

@katze you are in charge

monkaS

[Zack]

I disagree that newcomb has done very little

I've played with Csargo, Monty, and Winston countless times. Csargo and Monty have done close to nothing, and while that's maybe not too out of character for Csargo on d1 he can do more, and Monty/Winston are almost always far more active and engaged than this

in retrospect this was uncharitable to csargo, i think this is ~okay from him for d1 at least

no idea what's up with monty

[ladd]

whatchu you wanna do zack?

i am about to be out for the day probably

-visor

[hollowkatt]

Sup friendos.

late to the party but glad to be here tbh.

I luff you

[ladd]

i dont really feel that great about ender being a wolf either quite frankly, i just have no better ideas besides a shruglunch and see you all tomorrow

[Zack]

whatchu you wanna do zack?

i am about to be out for the day probably

-visor

i dont really feel that great about ender being a wolf either quite frankly, i just have no better ideas besides a shruglunch and see you all tomorrow

[ladd]

i dont really feel that great about ender being a wolf either quite frankly, i just have no better ideas besides a shruglunch and see you all tomorrow

[Newcomb]

Zack/ladd you guys both pretty sanguine on katze?

I'm still thinking his treatment of me feels p slimey / performative but that's been read decay-ing overnight.

[Sleep]

dobby's iso pretty pimply for me, btw

go on?

[Zack]

Zack/ladd you guys both pretty sanguine on katze?

I'm still thinking his treatment of me feels p slimey / performative but that's been read decay-ing overnight.

she seems fine to me, maybe lightly v

but i also dunno how to read her really

[Winston Hughes]

okay, things are snarling up

go back to first principles

everyone thinks zack is town + therefore zack is definitely scum

vote: zack

[Winston Hughes]

go on?

there was the post dobby sent me to find, which was underwhelming

and that was the best bit

(sorry dobs, got to say it as i see it)

[ladd]

Zack/ladd you guys both pretty sanguine on katze?

ya, the villa read on him is actually the one I felt less doubt on overall

id be surprised if they wolfing

[hollowkatt]

I'm not going to quote them all b/c I hate building multiquotes but I enjoy reading all of the Zack posts in the 560s, especially this one: 563. It's kinda spicy, has a nice flavor to it, and what he's pointed out there seems to make a certain amount of sense to me. That could be residual ender suspicion on my part, I don't really have feelings about Ladd but probably I should have some.

[Zack]

Seemed like the kind of read I get returned to the kitchen for the chef to review because it's so watery weak that it's basically not there.

But I appreciated the sentiment.

this was like the kind of post manti makes when he's a wolf

[Dobby]

there was the post dobby sent me to find, which was underwhelming

and that was the best bit

(sorry dobs, got to say it as i see it)

Its okay you cant be right always because my ISO is fantastic considering what energy and time i could spend on this game, and it was still way more than planned :)

Iim gonna look through what i have and compile thoughts now that im back home

[Zack]

okay, things are snarling up

go back to first principles

everyone thinks zack is town + therefore zack is definitely scum

vote: zack

[Winston Hughes]

keep walkin'

[hollowkatt]

see, this is the kind of sequence I like

it shows that he was thinking about the game and people's alignments behind the scenes, and was able to quickly prove it with receipts. Didn't make some grandiose post(s) in the thread announcing his switch on Cuth, but gave a solid earthy explanation of what changed his read when asked.

that said if cuth is a wolf it maybe looks bad for cape

like I said earlier, I could be wrong on Cape but he keeps posting thiings that I find villagy and I'm not seeing the issue with his posts

I think there are three options here yeah?
1. Wolf?Cape is trying to push thread opinion away from wolf?Cuth

2. Wolf?Cape is trying to pocket town?Cuth

3. Town?Cape is making what he feels like is a legit read on possible town?Cuth.

Of those three option 1 feels least likely to me as I don't really perceive cuth is in imminent danger of going over, and if he did Cape likely doesn't want to be tied to that chop with a town read like that.
Option 2 feels like it's got some potential but I don't have a strong enough opinion on Cape to make that call.

Option 3 feels like it's the most likely option of the three in a vacuum...

[Csargo]

weird...




I would have thought at least these exchanges would have given csargo something to go on dependent on his ender read and how I was engaging with him here.
I also think with csargo parking his vote on me here:



that he would have at least thought about the person he's voting for, even if his vote at the time was RVS/shitposting.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. If you're saying my read on you should be dependent on my read of ender or vice versa, I'm not going to make any assumptions based on perceived alignments in any game really, let alone one with a strong playerlist.

I still don't really buy your reasoning on ender, because if doesn't fit with how I viewed ender at that point in the game. I didn't see anything that seemed like it was forced from ender at the beginning of the game.

I voted you to start the game, because I'm pretty sure you've opened like that in another game, so it just seemed like a canned opening to me ergo kinda weird.