Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[nebjiamn]

I was not piggybacking off anyones reads on newcomb. I expressed a wolf read on newcomb way before that post. When newcomb came back later in the day, he was posting on a manner that I DID NOT wolf read at the time because it was, well, very aloof, like I said. I know newcomb is capable of posting strong as a wolf so I didn’t want immediately ascribe that as wolfy for him because I considered a world where he was indeed just a villager taking it easy and not entirely in tune with the thread.

the last post was a joke because you did something I don’t remember now when I voted or expressed suspicion on someone you were votning. I am not going to bother responding to the posts about me claiming to be wolf with you, newcomb, and katze or being the mafia stalker, cause lol

Like, if you read my iso, you should see I have 0 issue presenting a case on or calling newcomb wolfy. If part of your sispicion is that I DIDNT wolf read some of his posts, I …. I don’t know? My posting there can just be taken at face value in that I didn’t know how to process it, not that I was suddenly scared to call him wolfy

[Sleep]

I've expressed suspicion of ender all game, plenty of which had nothing to do with ladd. why are you being so reductive to make it sound flimsy?

im not, im addressing the specific point that it was distancing, b/c i think ender was a reasonably serious wagon and i dont think ladd tries to bus day 1 because the cred for doing so runs out when people start asking why hes still alive. thats all.

[Sleep]

oh and another thing: i feel reasonably strongly that ladd making that full-throated defense of hollowkatt near the end of the day was white knighting, he had no problem pulling up posts and justifying why they were villagery and it was well reasoned and everything, it didnt look like a partner defense because he wasnt shifty or evasive about, didnt look like he was afraid a hk wolf flip would incriminate him

[Zack]

im not, im addressing the specific point that it was distancing, b/c i think ender was a reasonably serious wagon and i dont think ladd tries to bus day 1 because the cred for doing so runs out when people start asking why hes still alive. thats all.

ye i mean i dont think he *was* trying to bus

do you have any thoughts on dolby?

[Zack]

oh and another thing: i feel reasonably strongly that ladd making that full-throated defense of hollowkatt near the end of the day was white knighting, he had no problem pulling up posts and justifying why they were villagery and it was well reasoned and everything, it didnt look like a partner defense because he wasnt shifty or evasive about, didnt look like he was afraid a hk wolf flip would incriminate him

v possible

i'm a bit skeptical of HK because he's been really low-impact and the one game I played with him he was town and extremely aggressive and made his mark on the thread, but some of his posts were odd from a wolf

what did you think of how ladd defended monty?

[Zack]

who's the last wolf on a dolby/newcomb/x team?

actually seems pretty plausible as a thought experiment

[Sleep]

ye i mean i dont think he *was* trying to bus

do you have any thoughts on dolby?

none at all, i havent mentally processed his posts yet because ive been kind of sorting through my own jumble

ill take a look at them but generally when someone is in catchup mode id prefer to let them work before giving comment

[Zack]

probably isn't ender (?)

[Zack]

Players Votes

Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, Sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)

1062

this was the tally when newcomb was fucking around during EOD and seemingly not really caring what happened

if he's a wolf then likely no wolves were seemingly in danger at this time (and honestly everyone above ladd there could be town and it wouldnt shock me)

[Zack]

that was way too many times to say seemingly

how embarrassing

[Sleep]

v possible

i'm a bit skeptical of HK because he's been really low-impact and the one game I played with him he was town and extremely aggressive and made his mark on the thread, but some of his posts were odd from a wolf

what did you think of how ladd defended monty?

i dunno, no idea

it was such a weird, willful defense (and I noted so at the time!) but I could really see it going either way - TMI read or powerwolfing defending a lurky partner. i dont think i can read too deeply into that in and of itself unfortunately

[Zack]

maybe dobby is the bronana with newc/dolby tbh

not sure anyone else quite fits, but i'm also getting ahead of myself of course

the way newcomb kinda lazily mentioned ender to start today in an "eh zack?" kind of way rubbed me the wrong way, dolby's posts just seem wolfy so far and monstr's weren't great (i'm not reading into the "i hope all of you die in a fire" posts other than uh, probably not w/w with rask lol)

sorry for spamming the thread, taking a break for a bit

i dunno, no idea

it was such a weird, willful defense (and I noted so at the time!) but I could really see it going either way - TMI read or powerwolfing defending a lurky partner. i dont think i can read too deeply into that in and of itself unfortunately

ya i had pmuch the same process thinking about it. dunno, it's a really weird defense of a lhf villager getting pressured, and especially this made me go hmmmm:

i saw that post and your monty push

you don't really push lhf like you did monty as a villager ime, in fact I think 1 of yours (and visor actually) biggest villa tells is that you tend to see the "what if they are a vilager angle" of the so called easy mislunches, like you are doing with cape for example (regardless of whether or not he is a villager)

you going after monty was spooky, then I saw the other orgers thought he was a wolf too so maybe I was missing some meta but from a quick skim of 2 of his games he seems like a perfectly competent wolf so i dont realy see whats up

but i guess I overstimated how much you believe both your monty wolf read on yrou stuff wrt cuth



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chainsaw defense-y

[katze]

that uh

makes a lot of his posts make a lot more sense

i kinda looked at a lot of his posts and thought ???

Was under the impression that Katze used primarily she/her

i don't care what pronouns people use for me :p

ladd uses he/him, pretty sure it's just his default, most people use she/her for me, thats cool too

i think dolby's wallpost kinda stinks

the pronoun read is kinda intriguing to me in a "this is an abstract enough thought that it's probably real?" sense but the rest isn't enthusing

thought monstr was a bit villagery as well but i saw people were like hard clearing that slot and never rly knew why

[Zack]

i don't care what pronouns people use for me :p

ladd uses he/him, pretty sure it's just his default, most people use she/her for me, thats cool too



the pronoun read is kinda intriguing to me in a "this is an abstract enough thought that it's probably real?" sense but the rest isn't enthusing

thought monstr was a bit villagery as well but i saw people were like hard clearing that slot and never rly knew why

that's the kind of thing that is a true thought from dolby regardless of his alignment though

for the outburst i assumed

[katze]

that's the kind of thing that is a true thought from dolby regardless of his alignment though

for the outburst i assumed

maybe, i'm not sure if he says it if wolf tho? im not really used to wolves trying to clear me in fancy ways, or at all rly

and yea i don't think the outburst is AI and would prefer to pretend it didn't happen honestly, i thought his posts prior to it were lightly villagery cause i figure if he randed wolf after that game + the mash that he'd go for the easiest way out/do the bare minimum at all times and he had a few posts that felt like they weren't that

[Zack]

maybe, i'm not sure if he says it if wolf tho? im not really used to wolves trying to clear me in fancy ways, or at all rly

and yea i don't think the outburst is AI and would prefer to pretend it didn't happen honestly, i thought his posts prior to it were lightly villagery cause i figure if he randed wolf after that game + the mash that he'd go for the easiest way out/do the bare minimum at all times and he had a few posts that felt like they weren't that

by far the most memorable aspect of dolby's wolf game was him randomly declaring villagers to be paragons of towniness, so ymmv

[Cape90]

Winston kinda rocked it with the ladd thing tbh

sorry I wasn't here for EOD, would have hopped off Csargo if so (not really sure if I would have voted ladd or Rask in that situation, probs not Newcomb). But I was eating dinner out and i was away from cell signal. But dang I had this kinda asian style curry from like this pho place and it's so good. I am having the leftovers right now, man it smells good dude.

Anywho I shall be catching up

[katze]

by far the most memorable aspect of dolby's wolf game was him randomly declaring villagers to be paragons of towniness, so ymmv

that may or may not change things

never actually seen a dolby wolfgame ive just heard of dolby(4) a hundred times and assumed it was poking at him for having a volume tell but i'm not going to townread anyone in this game for posting 4 times ��

[Cape90]

Also sorc scared of me bombing mafia again

I would be shaking too

[Zack]

Winston kinda rocked it with the ladd thing tbh

[Cape90]

- sleep/cape prob v/v, sorta felt like ladd was setting up sleep to look bad after a cape flip - i don't think sleep had any real chance of being yeeted yesterday, but cape did (and ladd wouldn't have had to get his hands dirty for it)

Feel like this is an interesting thought when I have been hard defending Sleep.

[hollowkatt]

Absolute fucking madlads lol

I would never have voted ladd D1 like that, huge EV swing but goddamn, not something I think I could ever bring myself to do.

Think I'm gonna go backread for a bit. First instinct is to pretty much clear the ladd wagon and I think I want to kill Ender?

If you're clearing the Ladd wagon how many wolves do you think were on your wagon and rasks wagon at the end of the day?

I think it's unlikely that we had w/w/w wagons, maybe even unlikely we had w/w/t wagons.

Which would put, in my opinion, >2 wolves between the following {ender, katze, sleep, monstr (now dolby), neb, dobby)

Of those the ones I'm most suspect of are dolby, dobby, and ender. I liked katzes posting throughout the day. I also freely admit I'm shite at reading them. Neb and sleep I should have reads on but don't.
I do at least remember that they're playing. Dobby otoh I do not. Seems like an iawy vibe check place tbh.

Monstr I thought was suspect when they had vv minimal posts b/c the posts they did have felt spicy for the sake of spicy. Dolby, while I have a shitload of experience with, I am shit at reading.

[Cape90]

How do you feel about Ladd attacking me and you shortly after we suspected Cape?

Hey Sunbae, I don't like your question here

[Cape90]

Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov

is a very strange list to me of people that voted on ladd. Especially since someone like benneh has obviously had a lot of experience with ladd and his meta

[Cape90]

id prefer the around ~24 hour mark personally

This actually sounds probably good, maybe slightly later since it is day 2, maybe closer to the 12 hour mark, BUT NOT LAST SECOND.

Last second just sounds like mistakes

[katze]

lmao, i wasnt sure why he died but this explains it tbh

This actually sounds probably good, maybe slightly later since it is day 2, maybe closer to the 12 hour mark, BUT NOT LAST SECOND.

Last second just sounds like mistakes

Suicide bombers MUST PM me their target to kill within 36 hours (12 hours before EOD) of daybreak the next day. (If you get targeted, n1, you find out at start of day 2, you have 36 hours from start of day to pick your target). Once you submit your target you are dead and most stop posting. If you do not submit a target it will be randed.

well they have to explode by the 12 hour mark so personally i think making your bomb known by the 24 hour mark is kind of a no brainer so people can acknowledge it

i could see arguments for even sooner but it's ultimately up to whoever has the vest i suppose

[nebjiamn]

Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov

is a very strange list to me of people that voted on ladd. Especially since someone like benneh has obviously had a lot of experience with ladd and his meta

Why call me out specifically here?

i read him as a villager but even if I didn’t I prob wouldn’t have voted him (see my non vote on newcomb) I thought minor things like him yoloing a sunbae wolf read and then clarifying sunbae would do great in champs in parentheticals as an indication he really felt he found sunbae and felt bad for it

having said that I have a terrible history of reading Ladd in non-turbos and I’ve been on record as calling him the best wolf I know

[nebjiamn]

I really dislike that cape called me out specifically there but I?m me so maybe I?m just a whiny punk

[Csargo]

[Cape90]

NGL, Dolby's postings kinda stick out to me and I am not exactly sure I like Dolby's wallpost on ladd.

Like I really don't think it says a whole lot except sunbae/ender v

with another peculiar read being that HK/zack/benneh are all town becasue ladd townread them...

okay lemme make a read

So check out where ladd puts me on #321

Having played mafia for so long I know that wolf love to insert their wolfbuddies in the middlish portion of a list like this. A list in which ladd considers all of these people town.

So because of my placement on this list, I declare that I am hard cleared.

Any disagreements?

...Yes?

Yeah it's because its not a good read LMAO. You see my point?

Also if you look at Zack's logs, I think zack is like 99% an obvtown anyways