Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[nebjiamn]

I haven't been discrete about you being ?ike my top read but

Sunbae does look good but what are your top reasons for placing him in the top? And same for rask, I mightve missed some voting dynamics stuff but iirc you were one of the ppl who voted him with me? What has changed?

sunbae is the sorc

rask looks good for monstr spew and his vote

[nebjiamn]

sunbae is the sorc

rask looks good for monstr spew and his vote

if he didn't claim he'd still be one of my top villagers for how he dealt with ladd on zack/newcomb and just his general approach fwiw but now that he's outed he can just go to the top

[Dobby]

I haven't been discrete about you being ?ike my top read but

Sunbae does look good but what are your top reasons for placing him in the top? And same for rask, I mightve missed some voting dynamics stuff but iirc you were one of the ppl who voted him with me? What has changed?

Sunbae looks good with the addendum that nothing stands out compared to like.. their last games where they've been wolfing (me) so it's a kinda bold read imo

[Dobby]

sunbae is the sorc

rask looks good for monstr spew and his vote

Oh lol, I just saw that dolby gor blown up, cool, then I can finally trust that sunbae is actually bae for real <3

[Newcomb]

*makes no sense if teamed

*not the way he'd play as a wolf

Hm, ok. Can you talk a little more about this then?

Sounds like part of it is meta ie 'wouldn't play like this as wolf' which, ok sure, not a lot to expand on there.

How about the "read on ladd makes no sense if partnered"? I mean from my (admittedly broad) PoV he had some pretty weird interactions with ladd and then ended up on the village counterwagon to ladd at EoD, and was definitely the one most pushing for me dying at that point.

I guess main question is - what makes this read obvious / slam dunk to you?

[nebjiamn]

lol u soab, I was thinking either you were exactly the sorcerer or a wolf because I don't believe that post for a second

I'm the backup

oh i missed this post lol

so cool

[Newcomb]

I still think there is at least 1 woof in [Ender, katz, sleep] btw

[Dobby]

if he didn't claim he'd still be one of my top villagers for how he dealt with ladd on zack/newcomb and just his general approach fwiw but now that he's outed he can just go to the top

Yeah I won't disagree with that, I yhink I wrote amth like that yesterday where he like described my inner secrets and like have been paying attention to things that I thought nobody had, about my previous games qnd mentality here

Monstr looked.... idk it really feels like a pregame tilted dude that tilted in this game as well and I really didn't think that came from a town perspective. I didn't look a lot into their exchanges because of that but I'll take your word for it now

[nebjiamn]

I still think there is at least 1 woof in [Ender, katz, sleep] btw

if you're a villager i can definitely see that

[Dobby]

Also montmercy has been my blind spot this game, feels like I had a decently well founded opinion on most others last night but I clearly haven't baked in the night stuff/today stuff, and didn't fully check out eod, I just was there for the last 5 minutes

[Dobby]

if you're a villager i can definitely see that

Was this the rule of 3 thing?

[nebjiamn]

Was this the rule of 3 thing?

no, i dont think so?

I just had the thought after posting my list that if there weren't 2 in my bottom 4 then i think it would be likely to be in ender/katze/sleep before the ladd voters. this was before i knew zack was the backup but i didn't include him in that thought process anyway

[Dobby]

rule of 3+1 :wowee:

This was the post I was talking about

Is this really 4 townies lol

[nebjiamn]

Also montmercy has been my blind spot this game, feels like I had a decently well founded opinion on most others last night but I clearly haven't baked in the night stuff/today stuff, and didn't fully check out eod, I just was there for the last 5 minutes

ladd's overt defense and kind of silly v read of mont from start to finish feels built to attempt to spew him wolf later in the game more than protect a partner. especially considering ladd has reason to buss as the only usable mafia PR. what's your take on how he treated monty?

[Dobby]

Sunbae
Cuth
Sleep

V/v/v imo

Maaaaaybe zack

This one!

[nebjiamn]

This was the post I was talking about

Is this really 4 townies lol

oh lol I forgot about that

since we know zack and sunbae are v, i guess we coudl dig in on that, but i don't actually believe that much in rule of 3 so much as i was using that to wowee myself about my sleep tinfoil

[Dobby]

ladd's overt defense and kind of silly v read of mont from start to finish feels built to attempt to spew him wolf later in the game more than protect a partner. especially considering ladd has reason to buss as the only usable mafia PR. what's your take on how he treated monty?

I didn't pay attention to it at all :p am on phone at my uncles house and supposed to be socialising so i might dig into that later tonight/tomorrow

I did have one ladd post early that I commented on a few times like, how he had one of his first posts making a list of 5 people that seemed really out of nowhere.. I don't remember if money was in that one

[Dobby]

oh lol I forgot about that

since we know zack and sunbae are v, i guess we coudl dig in on that, but i don't actually believe that much in rule of 3 so much as i was using that to wowee myself about my sleep tinfoil

Sleeps reaction when I pushed him fairly hard yesterday felt pretty good though

And yeah but it's pretty baller if he posts 4 town names lol

[Newcomb]

zack
Sunbae
Newcomb

nebjiamn

cuthillius
Raskolnikov
Montmorency

EnderWiggin
roro__b
katze
Sleep
Cape90
hollowkatt

How likely is it both wolves in the bottom section? Gotta say I'm kind of going over various pairs of them in my head and none of them kind of intuitively click as "ah yes this makes the game make perfect sense."

Could there have been a ladd busser? Ehhhhhhh.

[nebjiamn]

but seriously, whats the point of the stalker?

[Dobby]

i'll help benneh and then go afk for the next 24ish hours

v
mont
benneh
ladd

sleep

i don't like ender's way of posting (almost all of his posts are answer to other quotes and in last page he answered newcomb's post which was the last one and then went back to answer cuth's whose post was before and gave me "posting just to post" vibes). Both of these things are >rand w ime

for context:





i'll yolo a sunbae w read (you'll do amazing in champs tho! genuinely)

This one kek

[Dobby]

zack
Sunbae
Newcomb

nebjiamn

cuthillius
Raskolnikov
Montmorency

EnderWiggin
roro__b
katze
Sleep
Cape90
hollowkatt

How likely is it both wolves in the bottom section? Gotta say I'm kind of going over various pairs of them in my head and none of them kind of intuitively click as "ah yes this makes the game make perfect sense."

Could there have been a ladd busser? Ehhhhhhh.

This list is interdasting tbh

[nebjiamn]

zack
Sunbae
Newcomb

nebjiamn

cuthillius
Raskolnikov
Montmorency

EnderWiggin
roro__b
katze
Sleep
Cape90
hollowkatt

How likely is it both wolves in the bottom section? Gotta say I'm kind of going over various pairs of them in my head and none of them kind of intuitively click as "ah yes this makes the game make perfect sense."

Could there have been a ladd busser? Ehhhhhhh.

i think katze looks better from having pushed for the dolby bomb. i guess she can't know that csargo would actually do it but /shrug

if there's a busser on the ladd wagon i'm inclined to think its cuth over rask/monty but that doesn't feel great

rather than world build, how do you rank people in that bottom section from villagery to wolfy (assuming you haven't already ordered them as such)

[hollowkatt]

@Dobby Why are you town?
Like what's your claim to fame here

[Newcomb]

i think katze looks better from having pushed for the dolby bomb. i guess she can't know that csargo would actually do it but /shrug

if there's a busser on the ladd wagon i'm inclined to think its cuth over rask/monty but that doesn't feel great

rather than world build, how do you rank people in that bottom section from villagery to wolfy (assuming you haven't already ordered them as such)

Ehh, I can't give much if any credit for calling for the shot. If you're a wolf with dolby there you know that slot's never endgaming. Like, once dolby did their catchup posts and then dipped, there was no giant case against them, just a mutual understanding that that slot was probably a wolf and was definitely gonna get PoE'd. You knew it, I knew it, everyone knew it.

Ordering the last part of that list is something I'm gonna work on more broadly but don't want to over-focus on right now. You could flip ender and HK for sure though.

Idk I'd tend to think cuth is like the least likely bussers of those 3 just because outside of being on that wagon cuth has felt actually engaged and participating in the game, whereas the other two haven't. Why does cuth stand out to you there?

[Dobby]

@Dobby Why are you town?
Like what's your claim to fame here

Can I throw it back at you and ask what things could point towards me being town if you like squint or whatever if you can't find anything? Halp me get into your head

I'm really happy with the way I've played this game. Most of my posts have been to try and like see what people's motivations are to doing what they do, howuch solving they're doing etc. And I'm not playing it safe, I think I'm pretty good at imitating toengame as wolf so it's hard for me to point at anything that stands out really because if there was something I'd actively work on removing that difference tbh, but I really want to say I know what to do as wolf, to look towny. I kinda know how to post to be safe enough that I'm consistently middle of the pack so I can get to endgame without it looking weird etc.

I also believe in the cases I've made, I've reevaluate a lot of my reads and actually followed up on the things I've written and I think my genuine will to solve is showing rather than it just being.. faked?

Idk it's not an easy question to answer and it kinda sounds like I'm honking my own horn here but just trying to keep it as real and honest as possible

[Raskolnikov]

I was thinking the interaction with Dolby after Dolby died making it look like Rask didnt realize that Dolby was dead.

but we could go with that too i suppose

that's correct lmao. I just read it. GG @Dolby.

sleep is spot on too (I am not his partner lol). I think both of you are town from the ways you read my intereaction with Monstr/Dolby and figured what was going on.

[nebjiamn]

Ehh, I can't give much if any credit for calling for the shot. If you're a wolf with dolby there you know that slot's never endgaming. Like, once dolby did their catchup posts and then dipped, there was no giant case against them, just a mutual understanding that that slot was probably a wolf and was definitely gonna get PoE'd. You knew it, I knew it, everyone knew it.

Ordering the last part of that list is something I'm gonna work on more broadly but don't want to over-focus on right now. You could flip ender and HK for sure though.

Idk I'd tend to think cuth is like the least likely bussers of those 3 just because outside of being on that wagon cuth has felt actually engaged and participating in the game, whereas the other two haven't. Why does cuth stand out to you there?

rask doesn't make sense. he's the one who set monstr off. he also doesn't vote you at eod yesterday. i'd have to re-read, but i'm not sure he ever even considered you in the flash of the last 10-20 minutes and i don't recall, but i'm not sure he boxed himself in with a v read on you either? i think that's weird for w!rask to do in a world where you are a villager OR a wolf considering ladd's role. surely he just votes you instead of his partner?

I guess i'll temper that a bit because a n3 sorc isn't as strong as a vig or anything, but i still just think w!rask kills you over ladd there

[Dobby]

rask doesn't make sense. he's the one who set monstr off. he also doesn't vote you at eod yesterday. i'd have to re-read, but i'm not sure he ever even considered you in the flash of the last 10-20 minutes and i don't recall, but i'm not sure he boxed himself in with a v read on you either? i think that's weird for w!rask to do in a world where you are a villager OR a wolf considering ladd's role. surely he just votes you instead of his partner?

I guess i'll temper that a bit because a n3 sorc isn't as strong as a vig or anything, but i still just think w!rask kills you over ladd there

Unless they had disagreements in wolfchat as well

[nebjiamn]

rask doesn't make sense. he's the one who set monstr off. he also doesn't vote you at eod yesterday. i'd have to re-read, but i'm not sure he ever even considered you in the flash of the last 10-20 minutes and i don't recall, but i'm not sure he boxed himself in with a v read on you either? i think that's weird for w!rask to do in a world where you are a villager OR a wolf considering ladd's role. surely he just votes you instead of his partner?

I guess i'll temper that a bit because a n3 sorc isn't as strong as a vig or anything, but i still just think w!rask kills you over ladd there

mont i don't think has been out of tune with the game, just low volume initially and he seems to just read the game differently than others? ladd opting to just shield him doesn't feel like a partner shield to me as i expressed a few posts earlier.

cuth i could see most of the 3 just because of some weird interactions between him and ladd. e.g. ladd commenting how cuth finally makes sense to him and cuth responding that ladd being able to understand him when it doesnt even make sense in cuth's head appears slightly manufactured to me but its not super strong. its just the strongest of those 3 IF there is a busser.

I think you already mentioned its odd for wolves to kill on that wagon if it isn't already clear because this poses trouble for wolves down the line potentially when people don't die. i guess that can also be tempered knowing the wolves will have to kill the PRs at some point but /shrug. this is more a thought experiment than anything else since I do think we prob have the last two wolves in the non-ladd voters.