Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Zack]

sunbae, can you explain what your thoughts on the cuth/monstr thing were even if you threw them away?

i felt better about this game when I went to sleep

ladd
newcomb
katze

HK
Cuth

cape
Sunbae
Benneh
Zack

i like this more probably tho i kinda feel the #d1alliancetier has a wolf

i don't really like sleep posts anymore, he kinda feels like a tryhard wolf who found an easy villager to bury and look villagery with

i'll be back for a pop in before EoD

#VC

monty isn't on this list now, after I pushed him and ladd shaded me for it, but I don't think monty even posted?

wanted to have his cake (monty not dying) and eat it too (not having him as a townread if he did die)?

[Cape90]

Newcomb, like

why wouldn't I look at posts from 100 years ago

also just to add to that

I do that all the time :p

[Montmorency]

Vote: NC

[Cape90]

the case on Dobby

the way HK has interacted with me

some of the comments HK makes

I really don't know how HK can be looked at as wolf here

[Montmorency]

Is Zack even reading my posts? Weirdass tunnel relying on townspew of me.

[Newcomb]

Newcomb, like

why wouldn't I look at posts from 100 years ago

also just to add to that

I do that all the time :p

Okay, but why would you bring it up and answer it as if the current gamestate was what it was referencing?

Like okay if you don't agree katze wasn't invested in the game *at the time I made that post* then that's maybe something you want to talk about or w/e but like. You're bringing it up as if it applies now and I'm confused as to why.

[Zack]

I vibe with that a lot, newcomb. Was working up to a monty vote myself, but I have to go in a few minutes and won't be able to return before EOD, and since you and I seem to be the only ones on this train I was contemplating if I should try and throw down a vote on a wagon more likely to gain traction.

but fuck it

Vote: Monty

glgl

dont nk sunbae he sux

[Dobby]

I think Dobby has ticked all the towny dobby things I look for - including having his own main wolf read, being somewhat against the grain, and making some reads based on feels/vibes like the monstrtown and me whishywashy villa/wolf mixed with more normal progression/contradiction ones.

I kind of want to on Dobby for day 1 just due to the fact that I think they've been forced to be on the defensive a lot early in recent games and it's caused both struggles in getting rolling and lack of enjoyment from being in that position all the time. I also think Dobby is the type of player that can be a big boon if we let him get settled down some.

I think if Dobby is a wolf the nuance on their read on me specifically just kinda blew me away. Like, post game I'd say "damn dobby, you got me good". I also think their stuff on HK is pretty reasonable and is something that kinda came up on their own in a way I feel good about. People weren't really pressing HK much at that point. Maybe a small thing here or there.

Dobby: Liked his initial call out of Ladd for having too many reads too early. Thought their hesitancy on trying to figure out my alignment was natural and nuanced using a lot of our history in a way that made me think they were actually trying to figure it out. I thought Dobby just disagreeing with Newcomb and saying Sleep/Cape could be w/w was entirely against threadflow/consensus in a villagery way and then immediately arguing with Katze in 682 also came off towny to me in a way where I thought Dobby was reading posts, thinking about why they are being posted, and trying to reach conclusions from it rather than having a nefarious intent to spin posts for personal gain. The Hollowkat push was also against general thread consensus at the time. I have small concerns ? two dead wolves called villagers in the big reads list, the double posts about ?oh dolby was a wolf? like 5 hours apart making me think they might be fake, the fact that pretty much nobody else is villa reading Dobby ? but the concerns are very small and I think the overall body of work is still just villager Dobby trying to solve the game.

if you wont listen to me listen to sunBAE (im sure theree was a way longer post about me but searching for posts on this page is just impossible


also imagine if i did this as wolf, the AUDACITY

[Zack]

Is Zack even reading my posts? Weirdass tunnel relying on townspew of me.

this is a horrible post

[hollowkatt]

I really don't see the benefit of making a comment like this and withholding information in this manner

I think there's a valid argument to be made about not wanting to completely out what "best strategy" might be here b/c outing that would allow wolves to attempt to play around it. But I wanted to signal to the PRs that I have been thinking about how this could play out in a town advantageous way

[Zack]

Okay, but why would you bring it up and answer it as if the current gamestate was what it was referencing?

Like okay if you don't agree katze wasn't invested in the game *at the time I made that post* then that's maybe something you want to talk about or w/e but like. You're bringing it up as if it applies now and I'm confused as to why.

is this something that is wolfy or something that is frustrating/bad?

I get why it bothers you (I'm sure it would me too if it had been directed at me) but it seems like kind of a weird thing for a wolf to do imo

[Montmorency]

I think there's a valid argument to be made about not wanting to completely out what "best strategy" might be here b/c outing that would allow wolves to attempt to play around it. But I wanted to signal to the PRs that I have been thinking about how this could play out in a town advantageous way

Someone gets it.

[Raskolnikov]

vote: Montmo

[Dobby]

I think Dobby has ticked all the towny dobby things I look for - including having his own main wolf read, being somewhat against the grain, and making some reads based on feels/vibes like the monstrtown and me whishywashy villa/wolf mixed with more normal progression/contradiction ones.

I kind of want to on Dobby for day 1 just due to the fact that I think they've been forced to be on the defensive a lot early in recent games and it's caused both struggles in getting rolling and lack of enjoyment from being in that position all the time. I also think Dobby is the type of player that can be a big boon if we let him get settled down some.

I think if Dobby is a wolf the nuance on their read on me specifically just kinda blew me away. Like, post game I'd say "damn dobby, you got me good". I also think their stuff on HK is pretty reasonable and is something that kinda came up on their own in a way I feel good about. People weren't really pressing HK much at that point. Maybe a small thing here or there.

Dobby: Liked his initial call out of Ladd for having too many reads too early. Thought their hesitancy on trying to figure out my alignment was natural and nuanced using a lot of our history in a way that made me think they were actually trying to figure it out. I thought Dobby just disagreeing with Newcomb and saying Sleep/Cape could be w/w was entirely against threadflow/consensus in a villagery way and then immediately arguing with Katze in 682 also came off towny to me in a way where I thought Dobby was reading posts, thinking about why they are being posted, and trying to reach conclusions from it rather than having a nefarious intent to spin posts for personal gain. The Hollowkat push was also against general thread consensus at the time. I have small concerns ? two dead wolves called villagers in the big reads list, the double posts about ?oh dolby was a wolf? like 5 hours apart making me think they might be fake, the fact that pretty much nobody else is villa reading Dobby ? but the concerns are very small and I think the overall body of work is still just villager Dobby trying to solve the game.

My condolences to readers of Page 54.

Very important consideration: Mafia will usually bus today because the game typically ends D6, and Sunbae, Zack, etc. have to be NKed.

Bottom line here: At least one of Neb/NC/cape HAS to be maf.

Zack, in your own words explain to me how essoa and hally went so deep in Mass Effect.

I volunteer to be vested. This will never backfire on the vesting faction (compared to alternatives).

(I get the sense people read my posts with worse comprehension despite their low quantity.)

aorry im dumb and tired (im gonna keep saying im tired til i fall slep) but why does one of those HHAVE to be maf? are they on a specific wagon now oer

[Dobby]

I think Dobby has ticked all the towny dobby things I look for - including having his own main wolf read, being somewhat against the grain, and making some reads based on feels/vibes like the monstrtown and me whishywashy villa/wolf mixed with more normal progression/contradiction ones.

I kind of want to on Dobby for day 1 just due to the fact that I think they've been forced to be on the defensive a lot early in recent games and it's caused both struggles in getting rolling and lack of enjoyment from being in that position all the time. I also think Dobby is the type of player that can be a big boon if we let him get settled down some.

I think if Dobby is a wolf the nuance on their read on me specifically just kinda blew me away. Like, post game I'd say "damn dobby, you got me good". I also think their stuff on HK is pretty reasonable and is something that kinda came up on their own in a way I feel good about. People weren't really pressing HK much at that point. Maybe a small thing here or there.

Dobby: Liked his initial call out of Ladd for having too many reads too early. Thought their hesitancy on trying to figure out my alignment was natural and nuanced using a lot of our history in a way that made me think they were actually trying to figure it out. I thought Dobby just disagreeing with Newcomb and saying Sleep/Cape could be w/w was entirely against threadflow/consensus in a villagery way and then immediately arguing with Katze in 682 also came off towny to me in a way where I thought Dobby was reading posts, thinking about why they are being posted, and trying to reach conclusions from it rather than having a nefarious intent to spin posts for personal gain. The Hollowkat push was also against general thread consensus at the time. I have small concerns ? two dead wolves called villagers in the big reads list, the double posts about ?oh dolby was a wolf? like 5 hours apart making me think they might be fake, the fact that pretty much nobody else is villa reading Dobby ? but the concerns are very small and I think the overall body of work is still just villager Dobby trying to solve the game.

how do i clear multiqutoe

[Sleep]

Cape reminded me

Can we just go back to this and smart ppl tell me if this could be a perspective slip or whatever the correct word is

I don't think he was townreading me at this point? Aaaaa. This game

it does seem to make the assumption you are town who will explode on him, yeah

idk that its damning but its odd

[Raskolnikov]

don't, it's fun

[nebjiamn]

zack, if monty flips v how does your world view change? or do we just keep pewpewing IYO down the list

[nebjiamn]

or up the list, as it were

[Zack]

zack, if monty flips v how does your world view change? or do we just keep pewpewing IYO down the list

i think wolves are probably in {monty, ender, katze, dobby} in no particular order

if there's 1 (or 2 lol) outside of that, glgl not my problem

[hollowkatt]

My condolences to readers of Page 54.

Very important consideration: Mafia will usually bus today because the game typically ends D6, and Sunbae, Zack, etc. have to be NKed.

Bottom line here: At least one of Neb/NC/cape HAS to be maf.

Zack, in your own words explain to me how essoa and hally went so deep in Mass Effect.

I volunteer to be vested. This will never backfire on the vesting faction (compared to alternatives).

(I get the sense people read my posts with worse comprehension despite their low quantity.)

Hey Monte! How do you get to min one wolf in that set of three players? If it's in your ISO somewhere just say that and I'll go find it.

[Dobby]

it does seem to make the assumption you are town who will explode on him, yeah

idk that its damning but its odd

explode on him teehee

sorryh im not a mod here i can do this kind of thing

[Newcomb]

is this something that is wolfy or something that is frustrating/bad?

I get why it bothers you (I'm sure it would me too if it had been directed at me) but it seems like kind of a weird thing for a wolf to do imo

More the former. I don't see it as being something that's really alignment indicative moreso something that has a chance of getting into his head a bit.

[Newcomb]

More the former. I don't see it as being something that's really alignment indicative moreso something that has a chance of getting into his head a bit.

*the latter

[hollowkatt]

I'm re-reading the run up to the end of D1. Nothing fun to talk about yet but the wagon formations are super fun to watch happen now that it's not crunch time.

[Raskolnikov]

it does seem to make the assumption you are town who will explode on him, yeah

idk that its damning but its odd

Nah. HK is starting from Sunbae's scenario: we ML today > he vests Dobby. (who would at time bomb HK in return)
So he was saying that if that's the plan, better chop him so Dobby has to make another shot.

I don't think it's a perspective slip. I don't think it has relevance now (since the reads don't hold anymore).

[Dobby]

so this was the first ender post i reacted on

Yeah but Benneh put it forward as if it was a deep read.

Wolves struggle more in casual freeposting early when it starts to sort of tread water when the lines between shitposting and actual reads blur because it's more difficult to fake feeling legit takes with TMI.

So often they tend to make a hard switch from shitposting to "reads" because clearly defined situations are easier to fake.

Also, 12 hours of 48 is small.

I was gonna say let me have this casual game to just fuck around with but I guess that ain't happening.

because this "how wolves play" just felt misplaced, and then i was like, maybe its just... real?

i just found a few posts that i really couldnt vibe with or see, like, why would he post this here is it for shows


and then hk pushed him and i got a bit hmm

and then i saw that he was top poster (im pretty sure he was top poster d1 at least because it was legit a thought i had that i didnt want to voice loudly)

so i was like "yeah i didnt like him at first and then changed my mind on him


also this is also a little eerie to read in hindsight

i'll help benneh and then go afk for the next 24ish hours

v
mont
benneh
ladd

sleep

i don't like ender's way of posting (almost all of his posts are answer to other quotes and in last page he answered newcomb's post which was the last one and then went back to answer cuth's whose post was before and gave me "posting just to post" vibes). Both of these things are >rand w ime

for context:





i'll yolo a sunbae w read (you'll do amazing in champs tho! genuinely)

not sure hed pop out both ender and monty there if theyre his teammates

[katze]

ok i wasnt that hungry so i just got an apple

Alive: (13/17)
1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

lets see...


7 clears wins the game


1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
10. Sunbae
14. katze
15. Sleep

think i feel pretty content with that as a core, if i had to swap one name out it'd be to put in HK or mbe monty

11. Montmorency
17. hollowkatt

7. Newcomb
9. EnderWiggin
12. roro__b
16. Cape90

which would leave me that (with hk/monty a bit above, hk is more above monty tho)

off till EoD, little bit tilted

feel good about this, put HK in the top half if you decide to chop me, whatever

[Cape90]

Think this is a decent look for HK; the self awareness to point out the lack of read on a partner in the same sentence you're distancing from a second partner is a little much to imagine as being a real thing.

Not sure how much I want to read into this but the flat response to sleep's big wall is like... ehh I was gonna say +villa for sleep. Maybe it is a little. I'm just not sure how much I should read into any of monstr's posts given what happened. Like you can't really ascribe normal wolf agenda/valuation/thinking to someone to blew up like that and clearly had some stuff going on.

I do feel like this is +v for sleep. Given you have a flipped wolf talking about a confirmed v in Sunbae here, just like, the way he explains it, the length of the paragraph, the cadence of it, is very similar to what he does in the 3rd paragraph for sleep.

im ngl, and I dunno why I have this read, but I just feel like a lot of the points that Newcomb raise in this string of posts are just kind of whatever and feel somewhat forced

[Dobby]

I'm re-reading the run up to the end of D1. Nothing fun to talk about yet but the wagon formations are super fun to watch happen now that it's not crunch time.

oh btw i checdked, i was there at 01:57 (day ended at 02:00 my time) so yeah that was "a lot of time" for me to make a vote, analyse what the wagons were at, throw out a new vote, see that it wouldnt work out, not follow what the top wagon was, and then realise that i need to pick one of ladd or newcomb


so to whoever had those arguments, just NO. (provided you trust that i actually did come back to thread just before eod because i didnt want to just miss it)


i am aslop suppoerd to be asleep now but here i am digging into isos but it doesnt really work to iso poeple here, you cant even ctrl f words ebcause it only shows a sentence :(