Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Csargo]

Vote:Winston Hughes

[Winston Hughes]

Vote:Winston Hughes

[Cuthillius]

i'm not sure what to make of the more mu crowd towncoring together and then org people lightly infighting

i probably shouldn't be as surprised as i am

[katze]

newcomb seems an obvious villager imo

@ladd: can you expand on this some, since i evidently don't agree? i am well aware that you are more experienced with newcomb than i am

was going to ask what you thought this meant for me given our strong difference here but you address this in the next page so weh

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@Sleep: do i know you? y/n is enough, you feel vaguely familiar

[Sunbae]

I've decided to remove Cuth for now cause once I started writing it out I realized my brain was jumping around too much and missed a step or two along the way

[katze]

sap cuth n' sunbae

[Sunbae]

sap cuth n' sunbae

Hi, kinda feel like ive posted too much already so I'ma go head out til the overnight.

[Winston Hughes]

hk, sunbae




sleep, newcomb



cuth, csar, dobby, rask




benneh, ladd, katze, monstr




cape, blade, monty




zack

[Csargo]

Vote:Montmorency

[Zack]

zack

(villagy enough for d1)
newcomb
katze
cape
hollowkatt

(slightly above null)
benneh
cuth
ladd
sleep

(null)
csargo
winston
rask

(mostly not here but also didnt particularly care for their posts, slightly below null)
dobby
monstr

(sorry bronana)
sunbae


ender/bladescape
monty

[hollowkatt]

People say they like this post?

instead of throwing shade you could maybe I dunno try articulating things? that'd be cool.

[EnderWiggin]

Suddenly there are pages.

[Newcomb]

Cape seems more like mischop bait to me than a wolf

I guess the massive wall is hypothetically villagy but it seems so unnecessary to go in that hard in so much detail this early

Is it specifically villagery though

[hollowkatt]

vote: monster

some time tonight I'm gonna put together a reads list. I think monster belongs at the bottom of it.

[EnderWiggin]

y r ppl townreading cape? i think hes the wolfiest poster so far, by a lot

Because last time I entered a game and had a visceral bad reaction to Cape's posts and called him wolf all game he flipped green so I'm trying something new =P

[hollowkatt]

Suddenly there are pages.

Hi Ender are you town?

[Zack]

Is it specifically villagery though

it didn't really move the needle for me, no

[Zack]

zack

(villagy enough for d1)
newcomb
katze
cape
hollowkatt

(slightly above null)
benneh
cuth
ladd
sleep

(null)
csargo
winston
rask

(mostly not here but also didnt particularly care for their posts, slightly below null)
dobby
monstr

(sorry bronana)
sunbae


ender/bladescape
monty

order within the tiers is just the order from the playerlist in the OP, fwiw, it doesn't mean anything

[katze]

Hi, kinda feel like ive posted too much already so I'ma go head out til the overnight.

thats a shame, cya in wolf chat tho

i dont think you ever explained that cuth/monstr read btw

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@Newcomb: if i'm not mistaken, you have a bit of a policy to not interact with people you wolfread, right? i'm assuming thats why you're kinda talking around me atp

if that's the case then i would prefer you not do that, at least for a bit?

i don't reallllly think your scumread on me is in good faith, but regardless of that i feel like more and more people who know you better than i know you are calling you a villager, some with a decent bit of confidence, and if they're right i feel like it'd be better for both of us to find some common ground

[Winston Hughes]

zack

(villagy enough for d1)
newcomb
katze
cape
hollowkatt

(slightly above null)
benneh
cuth
ladd
sleep

(null)
csargo
winston
rask

(mostly not here but also didnt particularly care for their posts, slightly below null)
dobby
monstr

(sorry bronana)
sunbae


ender/bladescape
monty

[EnderWiggin]

i don't really see the stuff ladd is saying about ender as wolfy, but i might need to re-read his guide to villaging. i do think ladd's choice of words that he was going to "help" me are interesting in italics.

there are two things that ping me re: ender

1) him claiming my post on dobby was presented as a deep read. i don't really see how someone can come to that conclusion? it was served up as a way to get people out of copypasta mode (slight mission accomplished!) more than anything else. the thoughts themselves are real but when someone suggests deep read its definitely going to be more than just tonal/filler accusations against a 1-poster.

i'm tempering 1 a bit because i don't think i can be the best judge of how my post re: dobby came across since i'm aware of the intent behind it. plus, ladd said i needed help, maybe i appeared to be struggling, lol. i also think ender's Wendy's reply kind of fits with his thinking that it appeared as a deep read.

2) "so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play." this line/snippet from just pings me from a different mindset. why the default to explaining why it can't be a wolf play vs can't be a village play or just NAI? for clarity, this is not a deep read :) but it does ping me as a weird way to hedge the end of that post after saying you appreciated me starting the game off with a watery weak read.

After sleeping over it, I realised I may have over-reacted.

So I kinda had a kneejerk reaction to your initial post which was probably not reading it how it should've been read. You were just the unfortunate person who put on slightly serious looking pants while I was wearing clown shoes still

[Zack]

[EnderWiggin]

Hi Ender are you town?

Yes.

[EnderWiggin]

what if... vote: no chop

I just want it said I don't like this post.

[Winston Hughes]

[EnderWiggin]

Yeah I can. He feels stilted, like his content is forced, and that he's struggling to get into the groove of the game.
I tend to ego solve and compare what people are doing to what I'd be doing in their positions. This would tangentially apply to cape as well tbh:
If I were a wolf in this player list I'd be extremely concerned with making the towniest posts I could make and trying to fit in with the overall flow of the game so as not to get caught out immediately. Unfortunately when I do that I tend to be really obvs a wolf as I'm basically trying too hard. Ender (and Cape) feel like they're trying too hard.

The downside to ego solving is that other people are not me (I know, this is a shocking revelation) and don't necessarily react to things the same way I would. This isn't stopping me from making the read.



And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.

and yeah I'm being serious

I'm going to point out that last time I was actually wolf with you (Hello remember when I literally cased you and got you voted out and I was red?) I was townread and no one thought I was struggling to get into thread.

This honestly feels a VERY weird take on me given that the game I'm talking about was the last time HK and I played together. For him to seriously believe I would struggle to get my groove on as wolf is...

Kinda honestly wolfy.

[Winston Hughes]

why are benneh and ladd above null?

[EnderWiggin]

thanks

i didn't really like your post calling out katze as v for thin reasons and then shrugging the vote onto ender without explanation so i wanted to see where you were on him.

ender doesn't strike me as someone to be worried about wolfing in this playerlist but i've only played with them one other meaningful time that i can remember and they were a villager. still, just vibes, i don't know that i agree with the basis of the read although i do appreciate your process

There are very few people that I see in a player list and get scared of. And those that do just make me want to do better because I love to play around strong town as wolf.

Great example:
I once left Pizza alive all game as wolf to see if I could fool him til the end. (I couldn't, he caught me near lylo, but it was fun as hell.)

[Zack]

why are benneh and ladd above null?

[EnderWiggin]

why are benneh and ladd above null?

I'm gonna say Benneh's thought process feels real to me on re-read and I think he should be above null into town.