Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Cape90]

morning

skimmed a catchup, main impression is that raskol is like, a league above the last time i played with him (swag city, he was mafia) so he's probs a villager

skipped the newcomb wolfcase because i'm kinda leaning towards not killing him today even if i think he has high enough mafia equity, for #raisins

also now that the game ended i was hosting a sorc17 on MU and cape was p largely suspected in the earlygame for iffy reasons and imo was super villagery on the day he died, mbe he was townier cuz he had a vest buuuuuut it's part of why i also kinda dont wanna kill him today either

except my vote is apparently still on him

unvote: Cape90

ill figure out where it goes later

I read this post, and like, there is an explanation here, but nothing that actually tries to assess my content now and why I am town now

[nebjiamn]

why does everyone keep talking about vests

i don't see that in the OP

[Winston Hughes]

i hard claim the mafia stalker

your teammates?

[nebjiamn]

katze, who do you wanna lunch

ladd and zack wanted to let you lead

[nebjiamn]

your teammates?

katze, newcomb, and mont

you were only 1 off

[katze]

I read this post, and like, there is an explanation here, but nothing that actually tries to assess my content now and why I am town now

tbh i forgot i was voting you but also im refusing to explain purely to spite you now <3

why does everyone keep talking about vests

i don't see that in the OP

the town PRs (and one mafia PR) are suicide vest givers

[Dobby]

I'm going to do the correct thing now, and prioritise other things and then have some me time for a while before i sleep, if i show up for eod please yell at me because i really dont want to and im enjoying this game a lot and dont feel like getting upset later :P


I'll do my readslist first, i probably have two varieties, one is the GUT list that just feels right, the other one is based on like, posts in thread and what i think would be objectively correct. The motivations won't be good or lengthy unless they are, because I don't feel like doing anything more extensive right now.


dobby - ugly

nebjiamn - just straight up most reasonable posts in the game but that could possibly be because its the easiest way of thinking for me to relate to. The classic "calls out the things i want to call out kinda in the way i would do it" and just feels very yes this is so good.

Sleep - So this is a tough one because Sleep is playing well but just has this different worldview on stuff from what i have, im trying my best to see where their brain is coming from and i think i might see it being genuine town stuff. The initial case on cape where everything about it reeked of confbias and no attempt to evaluate cape felt really off, but our exchange afterwards with posts like this one and this one are very very towny fmpov. Or, fmGpov. (without gut prolly way lower)

zack - Has a lot of good posts first half of the game, together with benneh the one i nodded along with the most when i read his posts. I messed up who posted what for a bit (i thought zack posts were rask posts and referring to cape posts about winston rather than cuth so lolme), so realising that cleared up a lot of the doubts i had on zack, pretty confident town tbh.

monstrbro - town.


EnderWiggin - I've had some big doubts on this slot because a lot of thought patterns have felt feigned (i translated the word from swedish sorry if its a dumb word that doesnt make sense) but the more i think about it i feel like it's probably just from a town mindset and if i go with gut this is just town yes.

katze - nya. ayaya. I've said stuff about their newcomb reads and talked to them about it, i do (now) believe that the push is legit, especially that wall sold me on katze town tbh.

cuthillius - My gutread probably gives cuth way more cred than what i'd give his posts in isolation. It's just the way he focuses on stuff and the things he writes are way less uh "square" than when he's wolfing.

Ladd - I've been flipflopping on ladd, this post just had way more than id expect at that point, but maybe its just the ladd way of pumping out reads and then tweaking. His later posts just feel like they have the enthusiasm and "fire" that town ladd has, especially the more (for ladd) wordy ones, it's also a bit relaxed which is nice to see. Gut says town.


Csargo - From a "haven't really caught up with all the posts and stuff" perspective, he looks pretty alright. There are some posts that feel a bit "thoughtful/digging" (theres a better word for it im sure) in a very towny way and i think with more activity and being caught up he shouldn't be on many woof lists.

Newcomb - tough one because like, kat was locked onto newcomb wolf from start and i think most of the talk about newcomb is founded in that his name has been showing repeatedly idk. I think kat didn't really sell the case well and newcomb has been doing stuff that genuinely look like they're trying to progress the game without trying to like, steer the direction of stuff, ish. Gut says idk.

Montmorency - Seems to be posting more now but idk


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Winston Hughes - This is a tough read because uh, if I say something it'll be omgus. I hadn't paid much attention to Winston other than the Cape thoughts, which I thought were not very reasonable, but genuinely trying to understand the motivation to vote me or even put me as a wolfread out of like "whats going on in their head"ness, and i can't really do it, honestly, but I'll refrain from saying much more there for now.

Cape90 - This is a tough one. Cape feels like the designated "doesn't really fit well into thread dynamics and therefore gets a lot of (negative) attention". The pushes on cape have felt not great for other reasons than the actual cape posts being pointed out - but there's nothing about cape's content that really makes me go this is towny. Gut is telling me that this is really a town player but it's also very much not in line with what my brain tells me.

Sunbae - WEH. I wrote a few posts about Sunbae but, it's a tough one for me. If i place a W read here it's easy to attribute it to just wanting to find Sunbae W at some point in my mafia career, but, GUT tells me wolf, not gut tells me probably town. I will say the rask - sunbae interaction is the type of thing that pings me a lot as possibly w-w (as in if one is w the other one is maybe w) with how rask has approached sunbae.

Raskolnikov - Majority has been like, the monstr stuff and i don't really want to share thoughts on that except it might very well be v/v stuff. Other than that we had a short interaction where dEtAiLs were pointed out but, as a whole i kinda don't see the process at all but i still kinda like where he ends up with his reads, if that makes sense.

hollowkatt - I talked about hollowkatt a bit, with the "motivation" behind his post, and mention briefly a lot of hk posts have pinged me as "this is just wolf". I could write a case but i'm also just, tired. The quick version with a few posts is presented here - This post. Dont think it needs explanation for that point in the game. Then there's

this (1)sequence (2) of (3) posts (4) that just doesn't check out. It feels like the wolf thing where you pick someone to pick on and then push slowly and then finding stuff in the answers that you can build on a case with and then hopefully land in a spot where a misyeet wouldn't look wolfy for your slot.



also i havent read through stuff and moving things around so maybe stuff dont make sense.


ill proooooooooobably not be back tonight xoxo love u all ur beautiful souls

[Sunbae]

Don't mind me, I'm just gonna spend some time catching up

[Winston Hughes]

katze, newcomb, and mont

you were only 1 off

monty always gets past me

[nebjiamn]

tbh i forgot i was voting you but also im refusing to explain purely to spite you now <3



the town PRs (and one mafia PR) are suicide vest givers

ok

i knew that obv but i just wasn't familiar with the terminology of 'vest' for the suicide bomber. i was thinking someone was also getting / handing out a bpv

[katze]

katze, who do you wanna lunch

ladd and zack wanted to let you lead

i'm still not quite sure and don't really like the pressure of deciding the vote when im more of a sheeple kinda cat

katze, newcomb, and mont

you were only 1 off

me and newcomb had some elite distancing cant believe he boomed us both :/

[Cape90]

i'm very comfortable with calling cape strong v at this point and just making sure to look back in a day or two

I am curious on you expanding this point since I don't think I have been on my A game and I have played semifinals in Champs with you (unless wrong cuth :P)

[Montmorency]

too many names on that list

Oof. And your zack vote is equity rn. Triple-tie someone.

also if i understand the setup correctly, PRs should just hardclaim day 2 because the wolves can't do anything to stop them n2 anyway? get some innocent children and avoid a potential suicide bomb tragedy

Yeah, of course. But suicide bombers should not claim until close to EOD. Who do you think Cuth would bomb?

​Vote: Enderwiggin

Damn, now this is concerning.

longer they're alive unclaimed the later in the game we could theoretically have clears in, but they can theoretically both claim D1 and be guaranteed to get their actions off N1/N2 anyway

I like you more now.

i hard claim the mafia stalker

You're a dead-weight PR, but who are you protecting with this sacrifice? Is Newcomg your Dark Magician?

vote: zack

come on

let's do this!

You already were. Though there's no field for a tie-setter now.

katze, newcomb, and mont

you were only 1 off

Bruuuuhhhh

[Visor]

Players Votes
Enderwiggin 4 Raskolnikov, zack, Montmorency, nebjiamn
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
Sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
Newcomb 2 Enderwiggin, Sleep
Raskolnikov 2 Monstrdude, Cuthillius
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
zack 1 Winston Hughes
Dobby 0
Cuthillius 0
katze 0
Sunbae 0
Winston Hughes 0
ladd 0
Cape90 0
nebjiamn 0
Monstrdude 0


another tally, pls check to make sure its okay

gonna try tinkering with the formatting

[nebjiamn]

i'm still not quite sure and don't really like the pressure of deciding the vote when im more of a sheeple kinda cat



me and newcomb had some elite distancing cant believe he boomed us both :/

remind me of your read on HK?

[Winston Hughes]

I'm going to do the correct thing now, and prioritise other things and then have some me time for a while before i sleep, if i show up for eod please yell at me because i really dont want to and im enjoying this game a lot and dont feel like getting upset later :P


I'll do my readslist first, i probably have two varieties, one is the GUT list that just feels right, the other one is based on like, posts in thread and what i think would be objectively correct. The motivations won't be good or lengthy unless they are, because I don't feel like doing anything more extensive right now.


dobby - ugly

nebjiamn - just straight up most reasonable posts in the game but that could possibly be because its the easiest way of thinking for me to relate to. The classic "calls out the things i want to call out kinda in the way i would do it" and just feels very yes this is so good.

Sleep - So this is a tough one because Sleep is playing well but just has this different worldview on stuff from what i have, im trying my best to see where their brain is coming from and i think i might see it being genuine town stuff. The initial case on cape where everything about it reeked of confbias and no attempt to evaluate cape felt really off, but our exchange afterwards with posts like this one and this one are very very towny fmpov. Or, fmGpov. (without gut prolly way lower)

zack - Has a lot of good posts first half of the game, together with benneh the one i nodded along with the most when i read his posts. I messed up who posted what for a bit (i thought zack posts were rask posts and referring to cape posts about winston rather than cuth so lolme), so realising that cleared up a lot of the doubts i had on zack, pretty confident town tbh.

monstrbro - town.


EnderWiggin - I've had some big doubts on this slot because a lot of thought patterns have felt feigned (i translated the word from swedish sorry if its a dumb word that doesnt make sense) but the more i think about it i feel like it's probably just from a town mindset and if i go with gut this is just town yes.

katze - nya. ayaya. I've said stuff about their newcomb reads and talked to them about it, i do (now) believe that the push is legit, especially that wall sold me on katze town tbh.

cuthillius - My gutread probably gives cuth way more cred than what i'd give his posts in isolation. It's just the way he focuses on stuff and the things he writes are way less uh "square" than when he's wolfing.

Ladd - I've been flipflopping on ladd, this post just had way more than id expect at that point, but maybe its just the ladd way of pumping out reads and then tweaking. His later posts just feel like they have the enthusiasm and "fire" that town ladd has, especially the more (for ladd) wordy ones, it's also a bit relaxed which is nice to see. Gut says town.


Csargo - From a "haven't really caught up with all the posts and stuff" perspective, he looks pretty alright. There are some posts that feel a bit "thoughtful/digging" (theres a better word for it im sure) in a very towny way and i think with more activity and being caught up he shouldn't be on many woof lists.

Newcomb - tough one because like, kat was locked onto newcomb wolf from start and i think most of the talk about newcomb is founded in that his name has been showing repeatedly idk. I think kat didn't really sell the case well and newcomb has been doing stuff that genuinely look like they're trying to progress the game without trying to like, steer the direction of stuff, ish. Gut says idk.

Montmorency - Seems to be posting more now but idk


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Winston Hughes - This is a tough read because uh, if I say something it'll be omgus. I hadn't paid much attention to Winston other than the Cape thoughts, which I thought were not very reasonable, but genuinely trying to understand the motivation to vote me or even put me as a wolfread out of like "whats going on in their head"ness, and i can't really do it, honestly, but I'll refrain from saying much more there for now.

Cape90 - This is a tough one. Cape feels like the designated "doesn't really fit well into thread dynamics and therefore gets a lot of (negative) attention". The pushes on cape have felt not great for other reasons than the actual cape posts being pointed out - but there's nothing about cape's content that really makes me go this is towny. Gut is telling me that this is really a town player but it's also very much not in line with what my brain tells me.

Sunbae - WEH. I wrote a few posts about Sunbae but, it's a tough one for me. If i place a W read here it's easy to attribute it to just wanting to find Sunbae W at some point in my mafia career, but, GUT tells me wolf, not gut tells me probably town. I will say the rask - sunbae interaction is the type of thing that pings me a lot as possibly w-w (as in if one is w the other one is maybe w) with how rask has approached sunbae.

Raskolnikov - Majority has been like, the monstr stuff and i don't really want to share thoughts on that except it might very well be v/v stuff. Other than that we had a short interaction where dEtAiLs were pointed out but, as a whole i kinda don't see the process at all but i still kinda like where he ends up with his reads, if that makes sense.

hollowkatt - I talked about hollowkatt a bit, with the "motivation" behind his post, and mention briefly a lot of hk posts have pinged me as "this is just wolf". I could write a case but i'm also just, tired. The quick version with a few posts is presented here - This post. Dont think it needs explanation for that point in the game. Then there's

this (1)sequence (2) of (3) posts (4) that just doesn't check out. It feels like the wolf thing where you pick someone to pick on and then push slowly and then finding stuff in the answers that you can build on a case with and then hopefully land in a spot where a misyeet wouldn't look wolfy for your slot.



also i havent read through stuff and moving things around so maybe stuff dont make sense.


ill proooooooooobably not be back tonight xoxo love u all ur beautiful souls

i kinda still feel like dobby might be scum, but if so this is a work of genius

[katze]

remind me of your read on HK?

probably town

think that the thread slowly turning against him is read decay at best and wolfy at worst

[Montmorency]

_:00

Time to take this into my own hands.

Vote: Rask

gonna try tinkering with the formatting

Bold the leader?

[Winston Hughes]

vote: cape

[Winston Hughes]

Vote: Rask

[nebjiamn]

darn, monty beat me to a potential rask vote and now he's gonna hop off if i join

[katze]

benneh, what do you think of winston?

[Winston Hughes]

benneh, what do you think of winston?

[Cape90]

why does everyone keep talking about vests

i don't see that in the OP

okay so the sorc hands out like these bomb vest things.

[nebjiamn]

benneh, what do you think of winston?

still sliiiight town vibes. i think his play is kind of purposely goofy for lack of a better word and is something i just ascribe to be more from a villager in this type of game

[Cape90]

I like Dobby's sequence on HK, it makes good sense

[Winston Hughes]

still sliiiight town vibes. i think his play is kind of purposely goofy for lack of a better word and is something i just ascribe to be more from a villager in this type of game

benneh, what do you think of katze?

[Sunbae]

Mafia is fun cause you can express an against the grain gut fear read on HK, go to sleep, wake up to people pushing HK, and then get super skeptical on all those people for pushing HK once you expressed concern. Even though you know in your head it makes no sense.

[nebjiamn]

i think dobby's probably town. i liked his catchup a lot and im impressed with his readslist if he's a wolf. slotting sunbae where he does makes a ton of sense too lol

[katze]

still sliiiight town vibes. i think his play is kind of purposely goofy for lack of a better word and is something i just ascribe to be more from a villager in this type of game

i don't know how to describe my read on him rn, it's wack and i was kinda hoping you'd give me something stronger to work with

cause... i think he has a townie meme energy? this is really stupid but i legitimately think the way he's memeing is village indicative

but when he's not memeing i think his posts are pretty :/

i thiiiiiiink it evens out to about the same level of townlean as you have but zack dropping a concern on winstons read on him right after i did is making me think about it a lot more