Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Cape90]

I think this post points towards bennah not being with ladd. First, the way he kind of lightly shades ladd and then moves onto the meat of the post feels a bit.. drive by-y for a partner? Like if he's with ladd there there's just a touch more oomph to it, a touch more awareness. And then second, the way he's disagreeing with ladd's stuff about ender being wolfy, but then the meat of his post is calling ender wolfy for different reasons. That kind of nuance especially in early game would surprise me if w/w - like, calling your partner's take bad but then also giving the same take for different reasons.

Are you still thinking along these lines when it comes to Ender?

[nebjiamn]

I reiterate that there is always at least 1 scum in NC/nebbie/cape. That is a guarantee.

don't thik i'd guarantee it but i'd feel good rolling the dice knowing my alignment

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Cape

I like this more than I like Monty. Sorry Zack.

[Cape90]

God I know I'm gonna regret this but I'm morbidly curious.

In the world where I'm a wolf, the reason for me faking getting you and sleep mixed up would be....?

I feel like this is a really weak point against Ender's case here

[Raskolnikov]

Rask is likely town anyways imo so I don't really see the point you are making here about me derping

Like unless Rask is wolf, this doesn't mean much of anything.

And even if Rask is wolf, that shouldn't clear me as the whole thing will just be WIFOMED to heck and back

lol. I know people that talk about themself at the third person, but this is a first for me

and to be serious: this doesn't mean much? you don't look aware of your thread position rn. It's Monty or you pretty much. so I am quickly reading both of you to choose.

[katze]

I reiterate that there is always at least 1 scum in NC/nebbie/cape. That is a guarantee.

why do you think this again?

What makes you think this.

Never chop HK

squinting at his readlist/explanations

ender:

"I kind of want to just yolo Cuth's read and take ender off the table?"

"Fuck you know despite all of that my gut says town. Idk what to tell you. I think I always need to kill this slot in my PoE but my heart says it's flipping v. It is what it is"

HK:

"He's playing like... a bit removed from the thread, but I believe he cares about the things he's posting about. I also think he hasn't really changed tonally from before EoD/dolby dying, to after it, which like. If he were a wolf I feel like some of that body blow would leak through into the posting, since his thread position wouldn't be awesome. At the end of the day I wouldn't be like, *surprised* if he were a wolf, since the overall top down level of like, is he engaged with the game the same way bennah's engaged with the game? No, not really. But yeah gun to my head, villager."

cape:

"I think it's gonna be hard to not PoE this slot but we really should clear it if we can, because if cape's v that's like always always a misyeet wolves need. I can't like, do that, not now, but I do want to try to get there if it's possible."

Monte >> Katze>>>> HK = ender > cape > dobby >>> rask

i could probably nitpick at it a bit more, but i don't understand the difference between "i want to solve cape" and "hk/ender are probably villagers but kill them" - i say this as someone who has said multiple times that i don't realllly want to kill you yet because i think i can solve you! what you've given isn't great! but i know for a fact newcomb doesn't know your play as well as i do so that doesn't matter, what's the difference?

[EnderWiggin]

God there's part of me that is reading some of the newer posts and has the bone of "I wanna be right on my D1 case" vibrating.

(Partially because then I would've had a godlike D1 where I was choosing between multiple wolves and just didn't get my one over.)

[hollowkatt]

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[Visor]

2078

Players Votes

Montmorency 4 (Cape90, Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)
Newcomb 1 (Montmorency)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)

[Cape90]

This reminds me, I want to go look at dobby telling the sorc to target me. I had like... feelings about it. I'm not entirely sure "target newcomb because if he's a wolf cool if he's town he'll make a good decision" is entirely something I believe a villager really thought, but... maybe.

Vote: Newcomb

I honestly feel like joining this and providing a juicy counterwagon, now I wanna compare Mont since I know it's kinda easy to sus them for their latest posting musings which I also found quite wolfy and made me wanna plant.

But I am starting to think this is a good push and I wanna revisit some of Mont's walls

[hollowkatt]

i kinda sorta feel like newcomb knows that chopping monte/me/blade/HK doesnt end the game

all jokes aside how tf are you on that list?

[Raskolnikov]

don't thik i'd guarantee it but i'd feel good rolling the dice knowing my alignment

tbh this feels like Monty bussing one of NC/Cape lol

[Cape90]

I think I like katze's post responding to me and think it makes a good point

[hollowkatt]

Vote: Cape

I like this more than I like Monty. Sorry Zack.

I think I like cape for town too

[Montmorency]

I have my chips (and chips). It's crunch time.

Katze, can you find a team that doesn't include at least one of NC/neb/cape - nor me? The only one I can is Cuth-Rask and that's pretty wild. So just the positioning is logical.

[katze]

all jokes aside how tf are you on that list?

#TheFear

seriously it's pretty annoying because half of why zack is calling me mafia is because i... correctly reevaluated a wolf slot i townread for bad reasons due to clears telling me the read was bad? because i'm going to shield monstr/dolby over ladd?

but it is what it is

[Montmorency]

Vote: Newcomb

I honestly feel like joining this and providing a juicy counterwagon, now I wanna compare Mont since I know it's kinda easy to sus them for their latest posting musings which I also found quite wolfy and made me wanna plant.

But I am starting to think this is a good push and I wanna revisit some of Mont's walls

Potentially game-winning post.

tbh this feels like Monty bussing one of NC/Cape lol

Then help me bus, chicken.

[Cape90]

Then let's mason. I'm telling you, we need to agree on Sunbae vesting me tonight. It's in your best interest. Think about it.

@Dobby
@Sunbae
If NC is scum, mafia exchange both Zack and Sunbae for him. Too risky. And if he's town, then you lose his apparently-prodigious town-presence. Best to give it to Zack, who dies eventually - but then you realize Zack dies tonight if there's any hint of him grabbing the vest.

So I'm the only sensible option.

I already think this is really quite villagery

(hey cape read the post below this 1978)

okay me reminding myself

[Visor]

Players Votes

Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 2 (Montmorency, Cape90)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)

2089

[Raskolnikov]

Potentially game-winning post.



Then help me bus, chicken.

I am considering it Monty.

[EnderWiggin]

Ender: "After long debate and strenuous thought, I think Newcomb might actually be town."

Also Ender:
Vote: Newcomb

[Cape90]

Alright here's where I'm at.

2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
9. EnderWiggin
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

2 wolves in 10 names. Start taking people off the list.

Bennah and cuth are my first cuts (i.e. strongest townreads). With bennah, it's that his approach to me has felt the most genuine out of anyone ITT. For cuth, it's that of the ladd voters he's the one where like... I know Cuth as a player pretty well, I think? I don't know monte or rask so I don't really have a mental map of what they would or wouldn't do. But in that situation if Cuth's partnered with ladd I just really don't believe Cuth as a player puts that vote down. Not with the speed that it happened. He just doesn't strike me as that... ruthless is maybe the wrong word. Mercurial?

I think I'm also just gonna let jesus take the wheel and take sleep off the list. This is mostly just a thread flow / thread state thing, and an overall body of work thing.

I will take on this beast piece by piece

I don't think the case for benneh or cuth being really strong town here actually but sort of fine

my issue lies in the part of the sleep jesus taking the wheel thing that just is a read on sleep that really extremely bothers me

[EnderWiggin]

Ehhhhhhh actually fuck

[katze]

Ender: "After long debate and strenuous thought, I think Newcomb might actually be town."

Also Ender:
Vote: Newcomb

i was just thinking "man the newcomb wagon composition is not enthusing though" and this didn't help

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Cape

I still feel pretty good about my whole "Unnecessary action" read around Neb/Newcomb ><

[Sunbae]

I suppose now that I'm caught up it's time to make a decision huh

[Cape90]

Rask - I see Rask as kind of ... jumpy. Flitting around from topic to topic. Uneven engagement levels. Trying to track a single line of thought - like their read on me, is confusing. You go from like, naysaying Ender's wall on me, to saying they found zack/me villagery at SoD2, to saying that EoD1 they could have voted me, to going through and picking a bunch of kind of random stuff to shade me for. I think this actually feels kind of TWTBTWTBAW? Just like, the... unevenness of it, the messiness of it. I skimmed through this ISO kind of looking for reasons to call rask a wolf but I think gun to my head they're just a villager. It's also like... pretty hard to get away from the fact that they could have easily voted me EoD1 and swung it onto a villager instead of the wolf PR, so like... yeah. Think I gotta just take that one off the table.

I feel like this read does kinda stretch out and also, Newcomb like... knows it's the other way around, Rask swapped onto wolf pr there?

[EnderWiggin]

i was just thinking "man the newcomb wagon composition is not enthusing though" and this didn't help

Got a palm tree with that shade?

[Visor]

Players Votes

Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
Newcomb 2 (Montmorency, Cape90)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)

2098

[Sunbae]

I feel like this read does kinda stretch out and also, Newcomb like... knows it's the other way around, Rask swapped onto wolf pr there?

He's saying Rask could have voted him (a villager in this pov) instead of the wolf PR