Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Newcomb

fine

if I die, I think Ender should be at least double checked, like where they at?

Where I'm at is in thread.

[Cape90]

this wagon formation always gets a wolf

[Sunbae]

I'm 100% vesting dobby

[Visor]

Players Votes

Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, hollowkatt, katze, Cape90)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)


tally correct, ordering isnt

[EnderWiggin]

Really Sunbae? : <

[Sunbae]

If you kill newcomb and he flips v, punt ender into the sun for their approach to newcomb today

[Cape90]

i kinda dont want that vest

which means its probably good lol

[hollowkatt]

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peepee poopoo

[Sleep]

i have cold feet

gl

[Sunbae]

if you kill newcomb and he flips w then priase ender ender goat

[katze]

if you kill newcomb and he flips w then priase ender ender goat

praise katze too ldo

[Montmorency]

I m tempted to unvote

[katze]

ily sunbae

i dont want rand or id vote ender

[Newcomb]

Players Votes

Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, hollowkatt, katze, Cape90)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)


tally correct, ordering isnt

if I die here my legacy is to kill ender then everyone on my wagon

Cheers, if this is it I had fun despite some really wack reasoning w/r/t me

[Visor]

:01 hit

STOP POSTING DAY IS OVER.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, katze, Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)


I believe this is the correct tally.

10 minutes for corrections.

[Visor]

Newcomb has been killed. They were Vanilla Town.

24 hours for night, night orders due before 7pm on the 26th American Time.

Alive: (12/17)
1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Dead: (5/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
8. Csargo, Vanilla Town, detonated D2.
13. monstrbro Dolby, replaced after EOD1, Mafia Goon, exploded D2.
7. Newcomb, Vanilla Town, died D2.

[Visor]

As a nice quality of life update, I've put links to the updates in the OP for reference.

[Visor]

Zack has been killed. They were the Town Backup.

48 hours for day, day ends 8pm 28th of April, American eastern time.

Alive: (11/17)
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Dead: (6/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
8. Csargo, Vanilla Town, detonated D2.
13. monstrbro Dolby, replaced after EOD1, Mafia Goon, exploded D2.
7. Newcomb, Vanilla Town, died D2.
1. zack, Town Backup, killed N2.

IT IS DAY YOU MAY POST

[Dobby]

1) what the fuck

2) wheres my vest :(

3) i didnt read because i expected vest and that id get to just sheep someone into the afterlife and now im


not prepared at all

[Dobby]

can i also say lol you killed newcomb or is that rude

there were so many good options and now we'll never know

[Sunbae]

I was never vesting you dobby. I was trying to goad the wolves into killing you to prevent a kill. Sorry buddy.

[Sunbae]

vote: mont

[Dobby]

okay that was a bit overdramatic but weh


i really wanted that vest :( i didnt read literally anything and now i have to put in work and like, try to be useful but imma se if i have energy, i think whetehr i put 300% of my energy into this and read everything and analyze, or if i put like 40% into it, the outcome will not be very different so my goal is to not threadcamp and like, relax a bit. it'd be nice to have a mafia game like that at some point in life.,

@Sunbae im disaPPOINT

i dont get why zack is the nk though but thats prolly wifomy to speculate in, and they're both basically ic's anyway right

i dont think it's got to do with reads. maybe like, postcount? :P

[hollowkatt]

can i also say lol you killed newcomb or is that rude

there were so many good options and now we'll never know

nah, not rude.

[Dobby]

I was never vesting you dobby. I was trying to goad the wolves into killing you to prevent a kill. Sorry buddy.

there it is, i gave you my heart again and you ate it

[Sunbae]

there it is, i gave you my heart again and you ate it

You're stuck with me in a werewolf game for another day

[hollowkatt]

okay that was a bit overdramatic but weh


i really wanted that vest :( i didnt read literally anything and now i have to put in work and like, try to be useful but imma se if i have energy, i think whetehr i put 300% of my energy into this and read everything and analyze, or if i put like 40% into it, the outcome will not be very different so my goal is to not threadcamp and like, relax a bit. it'd be nice to have a mafia game like that at some point in life.,

@Sunbae im disaPPOINT

i dont get why zack is the nk though but thats prolly wifomy to speculate in, and they're both basically ic's anyway right

i dont think it's got to do with reads. maybe like, postcount? :P

I think killing the claimed backup instead of the claimed PR indicates it's reads/force of will related more than anything else

[Montmorency]

I blame Cape for creating momentum, it should have come to down to a Tdome between us. :P

Hopefully Zack wasn't vested, and Mafia killed him because they were brought to believe he would be vested.

Because there are only two mafia the d2 votecounts are not worth as much as usual until another is flipped; many bussing or distancing combinations become plausible under these conditions.

The game can be divided into 5 analytical pairs:

Cuth/Rask: ladd wagon; if both are scum it will be obvious by LYLO, and if one is scum it should still be solvable

HK/Sleep: Solid play; broadly-comfortable positioning

Dobby/Monty: Exist

Katze/Ender: Solid play but no longer shielded by the unresolved Newcomb slot

Nebbie/Cape: D2 pair

The only players I toneread harshly are Nebbie and Rask, so I have no choice but to stick to my POE. If you want to oust Ender or something I can't stop you.

I reiterate that there is always at least 1 scum in NC/nebbie/cape. That is a guarantee.

don't thik i'd guarantee it but i'd feel good rolling the dice knowing my alignment

Isn't it smug soft-TMI? He knows he's untouchable until LYLO.



There is however a strong instinct for a mafia pair to split up in voting in that EOD2 situation, so Cape-katze, Cape-HK, katze-HK, nebbie-Ender, nebbie-Sleep, and Sleep-Ender ought to be ruled out.

Crudely speaking, brute force inside:

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katze-Cuth
katze-Rask
katze-nebbie
katze-Sleep
katze-Dobby
katze-Ender
HK-Cuth
HK-Rask
HK-nebbie
HK-Sleep
HK-Ender
HK-Dobby
Cape-Cuth
Cape-Rask
Cape-nebbie
Cape-Sleep
Cape-Ender
Cape-Dobby
Nebbie-Cuth
Nebbie-Rask
Nebbie-Dobby
Sleep-Cuth
Sleep-Rask
Sleep-Dobby
Ender-Cuth
Ender-Rask
Ender-Dobby
Cuth-Rask
Cuth-Dobby
Rask-Dobby

But for today, exclude Cuth/Rask/Sleep/HK/Dobby, and Cape-HK or Nebbie-Dobby for D1 end votes. Leaving:

katze-nebbie
katze-Ender
Cape-nebbie
Cape-Ender

Nebbie>Ender

I think I've given all I can for added value.

[Sunbae]

Let's not speculate on why very good player claimed pr zack was killed first. It's entirely reasonable. We can start speculating if it happens again.