Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Sunbae]

I am pretty much going to kill mont, cape, and katze in order unless something drastically changes. this is to honor newcombs final wishes. I am going mont first to honor Zack's. If this is not the answer then best of luck friendos.

[Montmorency]

I was never vesting you dobby. I was trying to goad the wolves into killing you to prevent a kill. Sorry buddy.

I was trying to get you to vest Zack, though I hope I was unsuccessful now.

vote: mont

You didn't vest Zack, right?

I think killing the claimed backup instead of the claimed PR indicates it's reads/force of will related more than anything else

Aren't Sunbae's reads almost identical to Zack's?

[hollowkatt]

why on earth would you vest the claimed backup monte?

[Sunbae]

Nah, the big read difference between me and zack was zack was suspicious of you and dobby while i was suspicious of ender, hk, and katze

[hollowkatt]

I was trying to get you to vest Zack, though I hope I was unsuccessful now.



You didn't vest Zack, right?



Aren't Sunbae's reads almost identical to Zack's?

I have no idea

[Cape90]

Well, I guess I have the vest.

Who should I boom?

[Dobby]

You're stuck with me in a werewolf game for another day

top 10 anime betrayals i cant get over it


is it even a real thought that youd think id be killed over two IC's because mafia would believe id target the correct wolf with my vest because

i'm not famous for having correct reads and... 2 ic's vs me?


i mean its a cool play i guess

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but i was the one that got played

okay im over it

[Raskolnikov]

Sup friendos. 2 am here so I am around for some minutes only

monty looks worse from newcomb's flip

I wanna bomb into Dobby/katze/Cape

I need to reread Ender.

vote: MontyFlying Circus

[Montmorency]

why on earth would you vest the claimed backup monte?

Reverse psychology.

Nah, the big read difference between me and zack was zack was suspicious of you and dobby while i was suspicious of ender, hk, and katze

Zack wanted ender dead above all.

[Cape90]

I was trying to get you to vest Zack, though I hope I was unsuccessful now.

why is this comment like really towny to me? this is my trying to hide from truth

[Sunbae]

Ender is already dead don't bother reading them

[Raskolnikov]

I am pretty much going to kill mont, cape, and katze in order unless something drastically changes. this is to honor newcombs final wishes. I am going mont first to honor Zack's. If this is not the answer then best of luck friendos.

ok I can go to sleep, the job will be done

[Raskolnikov]

Ender is already dead don't bother reading them

ooh, good job. You are a life saver

[Montmorency]

Sup friendos. 2 am here so I am around for some minutes only

monty looks worse from newcomb's flip

I wanna bomb into Dobby/katze/Cape

I need to reread Ender.

vote: MontyFlying Circus

ok I can go to sleep, the job will be done

[Dobby]

I think killing the claimed backup instead of the claimed PR indicates it's reads/force of will related more than anything else

uh i think its either one or the other, and specifically in this case doesnt make sense to be because of reads, because if it was because of reads they'd channel the wifom and like, do you think sunbae has better reads than zack therefore zack died so ppl would look into zacks reads, or because zacks reads were better than sunbaes so they left sunbae alive so they could push the wrong people?

no, reads is wifomy, if there actually IS a reason, its because of postcount and smth like that

[Sunbae]

top 10 anime betrayals i cant get over it


is it even a real thought that youd think id be killed over two IC's because mafia would believe id target the correct wolf with my vest because

i'm not famous for having correct reads and... 2 ic's vs me?


i mean its a cool play i guess

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

but i was the one that got played

okay im over it

Idk, it's non zero and has zero downside I think.

[Montmorency]

About my vest gambit, the ground level reasoning was always that Zack vigs real good, just so you understand.

[Sunbae]

As usual, I will be around mostly during the overnight phase.

gonna just let people roll in and do their own thing for a while and see where I'm at.

[Raskolnikov]

top 10 anime betrayals i cant get over it


is it even a real thought that youd think id be killed over two IC's because mafia would believe id target the correct wolf with my vest because

i'm not famous for having correct reads and... 2 ic's vs me?


i mean its a cool play i guess

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

but i was the one that got played

okay im over it

get over it NOW or I will consider it as you outing wolf. (it sounds rude but it's not btw. I love you Dobby)

[Sleep]

sorry @Newcomb

[Dobby]

I blame Cape for creating momentum, it should have come to down to a Tdome between us. :P

Hopefully Zack wasn't vested, and Mafia killed him because they were brought to believe he would be vested.

Because there are only two mafia the d2 votecounts are not worth as much as usual until another is flipped; many bussing or distancing combinations become plausible under these conditions.

The game can be divided into 5 analytical pairs:

Cuth/Rask: ladd wagon; if both are scum it will be obvious by LYLO, and if one is scum it should still be solvable

HK/Sleep: Solid play; broadly-comfortable positioning

Dobby/Monty: Exist

Katze/Ender: Solid play but no longer shielded by the unresolved Newcomb slot

Nebbie/Cape: D2 pair

The only players I toneread harshly are Nebbie and Rask, so I have no choice but to stick to my POE. If you want to oust Ender or something I can't stop you.



Isn't it smug soft-TMI? He knows he's untouchable until LYLO.



There is however a strong instinct for a mafia pair to split up in voting in that EOD2 situation, so Cape-katze, Cape-HK, katze-HK, nebbie-Ender, nebbie-Sleep, and Sleep-Ender ought to be ruled out.

Crudely speaking, brute force inside:

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katze-Cuth
katze-Rask
katze-nebbie
katze-Sleep
katze-Dobby
katze-Ender
HK-Cuth
HK-Rask
HK-nebbie
HK-Sleep
HK-Ender
HK-Dobby
Cape-Cuth
Cape-Rask
Cape-nebbie
Cape-Sleep
Cape-Ender
Cape-Dobby
Nebbie-Cuth
Nebbie-Rask
Nebbie-Dobby
Sleep-Cuth
Sleep-Rask
Sleep-Dobby
Ender-Cuth
Ender-Rask
Ender-Dobby
Cuth-Rask
Cuth-Dobby
Rask-Dobby

But for today, exclude Cuth/Rask/Sleep/HK/Dobby, and Cape-HK or Nebbie-Dobby for D1 end votes. Leaving:

katze-nebbie
katze-Ender
Cape-nebbie
Cape-Ender

Nebbie>Ender

I think I've given all I can for added value.

i dont understand why youre excluding me there

and uh a few of those p- you know what im just gonna go next

[Dobby]

Let's not speculate on why very good player claimed pr zack was killed first. It's entirely reasonable. We can start speculating if it happens again.

reading montys post..... you ddint give zack the vest right?

[nebjiamn]

Howdy

Not gonna claim the newc kill was terrible but still upset we did that over something more reasonable. I came around to him being maaaaybe v and I feel like others on the wagon that aren?t wolves should have been able to get there in terms of better options being available? but whatever

Im pretty over monts terrible read on me and coupled with Zack dying I don?t care if we blast him into orbit

[Sleep]

my only takeaway from EOD is that the only reason a bw went through on town against the reads of the town PRs is that wolves found it convenient. strongly doubt all newc voters are town.

[Montmorency]

reading montys post..... you ddint give zack the vest right?

I think she claims ender.

[Dobby]

I am pretty much going to kill mont, cape, and katze in order unless something drastically changes. this is to honor newcombs final wishes. I am going mont first to honor Zack's. If this is not the answer then best of luck friendos.

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but but but wifom smth smth maybe thats why zack died

what about ender?

[Sleep]

the entire reason i got cold feet from my earlier read was the way it seemed to form

[Sunbae]

Howdy

Not gonna claim the newc kill was terrible but still upset we did that over something more reasonable. I came around to him being maaaaybe v and I feel like others on the wagon that aren?t wolves should have been able to get there in terms of better options being available? but whatever

Im pretty over monts terrible read on me and coupled with Zack dying I don?t care if we blast him into orbit

I should have voted Mont one way or another yesterday. I decided newcomb was villa and that I thought Ender was a wolf due to it for the hard pressing Newc over Ladd d1, moving Newc up in villa lists once people were clearing him yesterday, and then moving him back down once he became viable again. So I voted ender. But there wasn't enough time really for people to digest that and move I guess so I ended up on a vanity wagon and newcomb died. I was pretty annoyed with myself and still am.

[hollowkatt]

Sup friendos. 2 am here so I am around for some minutes only

monty looks worse from newcomb's flip

I wanna bomb into Dobby/katze/Cape

I need to reread Ender.

vote: MontyFlying Circus

we're not bombing dobby

[nebjiamn]

M big post from yesterday was built on the assumption that my world views revolves around newc maybe being v and with that now confirmed I’m pretty steadfast in where I ended up re: cape/ended having one and me heavily leaning cape

and tbh idk if monts the other or not but I don’t think his reads are actually progressing so it’s more idc if he dies