Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[hollowkatt]

if dobby/me/x f3 then yes I'll reeval

[Cuthillius]

vote:cape

[Cape90]

yes i seriously am not

idk what your problem with this is but sorry for ruffling your feathers it's genuinely not intentional

it wasn't ruffling my feathers, but, I don't see how I can opportunistically push someone if I am town.
Therefore, it would make me wolf, that would, like, literally make the most sense

[Raskolnikov]

promise me if you are wolf you kill me tonight

done

[hollowkatt]

done

ily

[Visor]

DAY IS OVER.

10 minutes for corrections.

I believe this is the final tally, rechecking.

Players Votes

Cuthillius 3 (hollowkatt, Cape90, Sleep)
katze 1 (Raskolnikov)
Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)

[Visor]

Cuthillius has died. They were Vanilla Town.

Orders by 7pm 2nd May American Eastern, Day starts roughly at 8pm.

Alive: (6/17)
6. Raskolnikov
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Dead: (11/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
8. Csargo, Vanilla Town, detonated D2.
13. monstrbro Dolby, replaced after EOD1, Mafia Goon, exploded D2.
7. Newcomb, Vanilla Town, died D2.
1. zack, Town Backup, killed N2.
9. EnderWiggin, Mafia Goon, detonated D3.
10. Sunbae, Town Sorcerer, exploded D3.
11. Montmorency, Vanilla Town, died D3.
2. nebjiamn, Vanilla Town, killed N3.
3. Cuthillius, Vanilla Town, died D4.

[Visor]

Raskolnikov has died. They were Vanilla Town.

Day ends 8pm American Eastern on the 4th of May.

Alive: (5/17)
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Dead: (12/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
8. Csargo, Vanilla Town, detonated D2.
13. monstrbro Dolby, replaced after EOD1, Mafia Goon, exploded D2.
7. Newcomb, Vanilla Town, died D2.
1. zack, Town Backup, killed N2.
9. EnderWiggin, Mafia Goon, detonated D3.
10. Sunbae, Town Sorcerer, exploded D3.
11. Montmorency, Vanilla Town, died D3.
2. nebjiamn, Vanilla Town, killed N3.
3. Cuthillius, Vanilla Town, died D4.
6. Raskolnikov, Vanilla Town, killed N4.

[Dobby]

fuckity fuck i reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally wanted to die


gg rask

[Dobby]

im like not sure if ill change my mind much and i put in 300% effort the other day so atp i just want to get nked and/or give it my all in f3. I literally reread everything 50 times and i felt confident in my vote. The ender interactions, the way ender talked about cape vs how he talked about and to katze/cuth. I dont know if i can formulate this in other ways but yeah

Ender talked to katze as someone who talks to a townie. Ender focused on things you dont care about as wolf with cuth as well, although cuth was compatible with the wolf team because of reasons


i genuinely dont know what more i can do. i dont want to reevaluate sleep and hk today. It's just cape, and if its not that's an issue for f3. I think i kinda expected rask to be the kill but with my activity yesterday i really was hoping for death cuz im happy with my game up until this point :(

[Dobby]

im like not sure if ill change my mind much and i put in 300% effort the other day so atp i just want to get nked and/or give it my all in f3. I literally reread everything 50 times and i felt confident in my vote. The ender interactions, the way ender talked about cape vs how he talked about and to katze/cuth. I dont know if i can formulate this in other ways but yeah

Ender talked to katze as someone who talks to a townie. Ender focused on things you dont care about as wolf with cuth as well, although cuth was compatible with the wolf team because of reasons


i genuinely dont know what more i can do. i dont want to reevaluate sleep and hk today. It's just cape, and if its not that's an issue for f3. I think i kinda expected rask to be the kill but with my activity yesterday i really was hoping for death cuz im happy with my game up until this point :(

oh and i dont think ender expected to get blown up either, so it wsant like, active anti-spew. and most of it is d1 interactions.

Vote: Cape90


maybe i re-wim tomorrow or something but rn i just want this day to end yesterday

[Dobby]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa man im sad

[katze]

...weh

[katze]

that flip hurt. sorry cuth. you deserved better.

i look at the playerlist and i still think cape is the most likely wolf but fuck me if i got talked out of clearing cuth just because i got annoyed at being scumread for defending someone i thought was town and the game goes to F3 as a result i will spend that entire F3 in agony

idk man. i just wanted to kill cape yesterday. now im not sure of anything. i really only have one confident townread right now and then two of you are "less likely to be mafia than cape" but...

you're all wolves smfh

[katze]

i kinda wanna see how everyone else opens today before i talk more about who my confident townread is/who i think the mafia might be if not cape

until then uh

nyas quietly

[Dobby]

that flip hurt. sorry cuth. you deserved better.

i look at the playerlist and i still think cape is the most likely wolf but fuck me if i got talked out of clearing cuth just because i got annoyed at being scumread for defending someone i thought was town and the game goes to F3 as a result i will spend that entire F3 in agony

idk man. i just wanted to kill cape yesterday. now im not sure of anything. i really only have one confident townread right now and then two of you are "less likely to be mafia than cape" but...

you're all wolves smfh

if cape dies and game doesnt end (im like 99% sure it will end) then whoever is left can go into f3 clean slate and then everyone can be a suspect again and not have cape be a potential misyeet. having cape in f3 would.... be very scary for many reasons.

[Dobby]

im just spamming the f5 button again for no reason at all, mafia is a bad, bad drug and i hate hate hate it

[hollowkatt]

Well fuck

[hollowkatt]

I'm not gonna turbo Cape today.

It's not dobby, that's all I really know.

[Sleep]

i dont wanna be here



but for real i went though a gamut of emotions and realized it is very dumb for me to get so worked up over a game on the internet. and that i need to stop investing so much emotion and placing my self-worth on the line over stuff. last phase i wanted to try to be the hero, because i felt bad about sleepwalking into the monty vote even though i wasnt scumreading him, because i felt obligated to trust the clears. i think that was an over-correction.

im not going to invest a ton of mental energy in this to feel down if i get it wrong. im just gonna sheep people

[hollowkatt]

that flip hurt. sorry cuth. you deserved better.

i look at the playerlist and i still think cape is the most likely wolf but fuck me if i got talked out of clearing cuth just because i got annoyed at being scumread for defending someone i thought was town and the game goes to F3 as a result i will spend that entire F3 in agony

idk man. i just wanted to kill cape yesterday. now im not sure of anything. i really only have one confident townread right now and then two of you are "less likely to be mafia than cape" but...

you're all wolves smfh

^^^

[hollowkatt]

I'm probs not going to be posting much for a while unless there's an interesting conversation to get involved in. I want to spend some time reading early days because I do think that's where we have the most actionable information. I don't think Dolby posted like his slot was outed. There's only a small handful of posts he made but I'm gonna read them again.

Ender on D2 maybe has posts worth reading?

[Dobby]

I'm probs not going to be posting much for a while unless there's an interesting conversation to get involved in. I want to spend some time reading early days because I do think that's where we have the most actionable information. I don't think Dolby posted like his slot was outed. There's only a small handful of posts he made but I'm gonna read them again.

Ender on D2 maybe has posts worth reading?

idk if youve done it but i really want each of you to

1) first only read ender's d1 posts

2) read how he talks to, and about katze

3) read how he talks to, and about cuth (for a bigger frame of reference)

4) read how he talks to, and about cape


that's the key to this

he is treating katze and cuth like villagers.

[hollowkatt]

idk if youve done it but i really want each of you to

1) first only read ender's d1 posts

2) read how he talks to, and about katze

3) read how he talks to, and about cuth (for a bigger frame of reference)

4) read how he talks to, and about cape


that's the key to this

he is treating katze and cuth like villagers.

I haven't done it yet, I'm in the process of putting my kiddo to bed. I'm doing the reading after that.

[Sleep]

worst case scenario:

we lunch v!cuth who should basically be lock clear, open up the game for a boxed in wolf that should have 0 chance because they don't have enough miskills unless we kill cuth today, and we lose the game tragically in f3

that's not ... so bad?

ha

aha ha ha

[Sleep]

Monte >> Katze >>>> HK = ender > cape > dobby >>> rask

if I die here my legacy is to kill ender then everyone on my wagon

Cheers, if this is it I had fun despite some really wack reasoning w/r/t me

i think wolves are probably in {monty, ender, katze, dobby} in no particular order

if there's 1 (or 2 lol) outside of that, glgl not my problem

Katze: A bit of a difficult one for me. There was a really great post towards Ladd kinda trying to pull a punch when asking if Ladd had a thought on sleep wolf before newcomb posted it. The rest of her posts show some good attempts at solving. I have some lingering issues though:

1. I struggle to follow the progression as EOD happens from saying she's the biggest anti-newcomb voice to this lackadaisical vote on newcomb with 'fingers crossed but i do not like any other wagon at all really ' while there's like 6 wagons within a vote of each other.

2. I am skeeved out by the HK defense using the term read decay because it's the exact same way Ladd defended HK. I have both seen and been in wolf chats where a wolf makes some goofy sounding tagline for a defense and other wolves meme on it a bit in the thread. Benneh knows it as the Super Smash Bros spicy read. It's, silly but it crossed my mind.

3. I kind of think HK is a wolf in a lot of worlds and Katze I think has been defending HK a lot in this game. HK being the only one to get a larger blurb in the wagons bad post with why is this even a wagon.

4. Outside of the one prod at Ladd, I don't think Katze really interacted with the dead wolves much. In fact, Katze tried to give Dolby some town credit today for the pronoun read, then pretty much swapped over to dolby once it became clear that wasn't going to fly today.

None of these are that strong but I have strong reasons to call others villagery and I don't really have many for Katze.

With that said, if Newcomb is a wolf then Katze killed it this game.

Have as a possible wolf. Likely paired with either HK, Rask, or Neb if a wolf. i think?

HollowKatt: I think their interactions with Monstr are interesting. Immediately called out Monstr for feeling spicy for the sake of spicy, follows up on it by reiterating it to Cuth, monstr returns by saying it's not a real thought and voting hk. That is the entirety of HK's iso that I feel I can call towny and, frankly, I'm pretty ok saying it's reasonable to expect monstr to be a bus target at that point. I don't think anything else in there feels like someone trying to solve the game and I think the case on Dobby is like, really twisty in a nefarious way. I have this slot as a possible wolf. Not a lock. Could easily still be villa. But thus far isoing everyone up to this point, this one is the least villagery to me by far

Dobby: Liked his initial call out of Ladd for having too many reads too early. Thought their hesitancy on trying to figure out my alignment was natural and nuanced using a lot of our history in a way that made me think they were actually trying to figure it out. I thought Dobby just disagreeing with Newcomb and saying Sleep/Cape could be w/w was entirely against threadflow/consensus in a villagery way and then immediately arguing with Katze in 682 also came off towny to me in a way where I thought Dobby was reading posts, thinking about why they are being posted, and trying to reach conclusions from it rather than having a nefarious intent to spin posts for personal gain. The Hollowkat push was also against general thread consensus at the time. I have small concerns ? two dead wolves called villagers in the big reads list, the double posts about ?oh dolby was a wolf? like 5 hours apart making me think they might be fake, the fact that pretty much nobody else is villa reading Dobby ? but the concerns are very small and I think the overall body of work is still just villager Dobby trying to solve the game.

Cape: I feel ok about some of their interactions with dead wolves. “Least confident wolf read by a long shot is Ladd” came out of nowhere, as did their “monstr is a member of the town” post. The response to Cuth saying him/monstr have a lot of w/w equity is to quote the post and go into villa reading Cuth pretty hard, which seems to lack much of an agenda to me. Their wolf reads seem to be their own thing (pushed Winston for a bit, Mont, Cuth and then switched as Cuth posted more, etc). They defended monstr a bit around the blowup but I think that's a reasonable take (in fact I kind of think seeing that as w/w who has already pressed suspicion on Monstr would almost certainly result in you writing him off instead of defending him?). Called out Dolbys wall for being rough. Basically, looking through the iso again with all the new information makes me think Cape has good interactions with flipped wolves and has some pretty good stretches of trying to solve things. Zack also has a strong townread there and I'm comfortable sponging it at this juncture.

It could be Sleep or Dobby too playing a similar role with votes on NC and Rask respectively, but I doubt it, and that's up for others to sort since this game looks more like my Mass Effect a year ago without the super-deep mafia.

Vote: Katze

She has too been posting like SOD3 threw her for a loop.

My final answer is katze; I shan't afford another. ggwp

Unfortunately I can't go beyond myself without breaking the game.

glad we wasted 48 hours following some dead ass villagers who don't know shit just to mislunch a guy on his native forum because we can't read his playstyle well

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

:paincat:

benneh thought it was cuth and was wrong and is useless

if it's Cuth GG WP (I'll take some credit though, the one which was due to Benneh for instance)

if it's not katze > HK.

We will win.

cuth was kind of all over the place he seemed to fos cape but also was wary of dobby?

[Sleep]

you might ask "have you ever done something like this" and the answer is no, i have not

but i genuinely do not trust my own analytic process to be able to reach the correct solution at this point in the game. ive been in this spot too many times and it doesnt go well for me.

so

i'm trying this

[Sleep]

idk if youve done it but i really want each of you to

1) first only read ender's d1 posts

2) read how he talks to, and about katze

3) read how he talks to, and about cuth (for a bigger frame of reference)

4) read how he talks to, and about cape


that's the key to this

he is treating katze and cuth like villagers.

ill try

[Sleep]

link the game

Are we really playing this seriously?

It's the most recent pirate game on MafiaCafe. Finished like last week or something.

this is, uh, interesting. i mean i dont see why it can be but. maybe not something most mafia bother with?

i still think almost every post newcomb posts is wolfy

I've had some thoughts that direction, talk to me about why?

this though feels not w/w? hes trying to signal boost katzes incorrect read and i dont think he does that with a partner. its certainly more textured than how he interacted with monstr or ladd

[Sleep]

i still...am not sure he talks about a partner the way he talks about cape though