Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Sleep]

i might just wild out and

vote: hollowkatt

yall can chop cape if thats what you decide, i still kind of do not feel it is cape. most of the dead towns did not think it was cape. i dont think ladd/ender talked about cape the way they do about a teammate. i think cape has been like his town self. can maybe look at this a little but thats what i wanna say rn

[Cape90]

My attempts at tossing as many things at Cuth to change my mind about them sure didn't work

this is not going to be an easy day

[Dobby]

i might just wild out and

vote: hollowkatt

yall can chop cape if thats what you decide, i still kind of do not feel it is cape. most of the dead towns did not think it was cape. i dont think ladd/ender talked about cape the way they do about a teammate. i think cape has been like his town self. can maybe look at this a little but thats what i wanna say rn

why hk excactly? this is... god i dont like this from you at this stage of the game and it makes me want to dive into your iso

[Sleep]

this is part sheeping the dead but im skipping the part where they wanted us to kill katze + i am actually rereading him now in full

[Sleep]

why hk excactly? this is... god i dont like this from you at this stage of the game and it makes me want to dive into your iso

i ehm

i think his interactions with all the flipped mafia on day 1 read theatrical in hindsight. he backed off ender too easy. his solving looks shallow. his reaction to the ender vest situation looked kinda forced

[Dobby]

i ehm

i think his interactions with all the flipped mafia on day 1 read theatrical in hindsight. he backed off ender too easy. his solving looks shallow. his reaction to the ender vest situation looked kinda forced

i uh, had these thoughts exactly d1 and was one of the people pushing him the hardest, as well as d2 iirc. It... mightve been d3 when me and him had a ton of back and forth when i changed my mind on him - can you look back at that and tell me what you think after reading that? becuase i had like, yeah, a fairly identical read on him tbh.


And, when you say "part sheeping the dead", do you mean on hk? Because im fairly certain nobody townread cape more than they townread hk. We also "sheeped the dead" on cuth and yeah.



and protecting cape here is literally inviting to a situation where hes... in f3 and it kinda just skews the situation in a really weird direction. Killing him today makes f3 a lot easier.




idk this whole thing from you doesn't really feel good slash makes sense

[Sleep]

why hk excactly? this is... god i dont like this from you at this stage of the game and it makes me want to dive into your iso

feel free to look into me. i am prepared to defend myself altho its kinda reliant on self-meta

[katze]

My attempts at tossing as many things at Cuth to change my mind about them sure didn't work

this is not going to be an easy day

is this all you have to say :wowee:

[Sleep]

i uh, had these thoughts exactly d1 and was one of the people pushing him the hardest, as well as d2 iirc. It... mightve been d3 when me and him had a ton of back and forth when i changed my mind on him - can you look back at that and tell me what you think after reading that? becuase i had like, yeah, a fairly identical read on him tbh.


And, when you say "part sheeping the dead", do you mean on hk? Because im fairly certain nobody townread cape more than they townread hk. We also "sheeped the dead" on cuth and yeah.



and protecting cape here is literally inviting to a situation where hes... in f3 and it kinda just skews the situation in a really weird direction. Killing him today makes f3 a lot easier.




idk this whole thing from you doesn't really feel good slash makes sense

rask, sunbae, and newcomb had hk in poe. its uneven but most of the dead towns were actually defending cape. idk how much stock you wanna put in that but its there

im not even really necessarily anticipating i have the pull to save cape today. im just kind of following a thought. it could be wrong. i often am. im just trying to be less...throwing myself into things completely and then getting bummed if its wrong? idk this is a thing specific to me personally but i certainly dont think i get emo here as mafia

[katze]

sleep:

if we vote out cape today and he flips mafia, what would you be most proud of this game? what would you be most ashamed of?

[Sleep]

i edited my user title so you can ctrl+F for it while rereading to get to my posts

[katze]

if cape dies and game doesnt end (im like 99% sure it will end) then whoever is left can go into f3 clean slate and then everyone can be a suspect again and not have cape be a potential misyeet. having cape in f3 would.... be very scary for many reasons.

also apparently i never replied to this:

yeah, i understand that voting outside of cape and being wrong is significantly worse than voting cape and being wrong, with that said i don't really feel comfortable using that as an excuse to vote cape and afk. i was more willing to do that yesterday because the stakes were lower but i'm... thinking about worlds where cape is a villager.

if you asked me who i was gonna place my vote on if EoD was in 30 seconds i wouldn't have a solid answer though. probably stll cape because id be panicked but thats not the point of this analogy smh

[Sleep]

sleep:

if we vote out cape today and he flips mafia, what would you be most proud of this game? what would you be most ashamed of?

i mean

i think i'd look pretty silly ultimately

obviously i would have played a not great game i had some okay read day 1 and chickened out on them if that were the case


but this kinda goes into thing earlier about not staking so much emotion/personal self-worth on this internet game y'know

ultimately i would be happy to win and glad i got carried by such clever people, that's all

[katze]

alright pretend i asked the same questions but cape flips town

(this is probably worthless just because you already made a point to not have Stakes here but)

[Sleep]

id be bummed because id have broken out of a days long tunnel on hm and successfully found him only to be unable or not confident enough to convince others to save him and id be dreading the prospect of going to f3 (because, well, i think you know)

[Sleep]

oh i guess i kind of shifted to a different thinking about my mindset but yeah. id be glad to have found him as town but disappointed that i wasnt able to do anything with it

[katze]

im in a predicament

if we vote out a non-cape/katze villager today then f3 is like... me cape and idk. and like, if both me and cape are in f3 i feel like town basically always loses it because if one of us is mafia then the other one is probably going to die and if we're both town then... who the fuck knows but that'd be a wack f3 and one that i think objectively is dangerous

while i have these thoughts i am also considering worlds where i want to vote sleep or dobby

now if you read between the lines here

i hate it here

[Sleep]

[QUOTE=katze;2053831865]if we vote out a non-cape/katze villager today then f3 is like... me cape and idk. and like, if both me and cape are in f3 i feel like town basically always loses it because if one of us is mafia then the other one is probably going to die and if we're both town then... QUOTE]

bwuhhh?

[Dobby]

rask, sunbae, and newcomb had hk in poe. its uneven but most of the dead towns were actually defending cape. idk how much stock you wanna put in that but its there

im not even really necessarily anticipating i have the pull to save cape today. im just kind of following a thought. it could be wrong. i often am. im just trying to be less...throwing myself into things completely and then getting bummed if its wrong? idk this is a thing specific to me personally but i certainly dont think i get emo here as mafia

does... my reasoning around why cape should die today and NOT be in f3 make sense? which trio do you think makes for the easiest/most preferable f3 from a town pov?



im not gonna like, go re-do the things ive done but this is a post from f9 where i went through all preferred poes

Dobby: Monty - Cuth - katze - Cape

katze: Cape - Monty - Dobby - ? (not sure who next person would be, maybe cuth or sleep?


Benneh: Cuth - Monty - Cape - katze ?


Raskolnikov: Cuth - Monty - Dobby - ?


Hollowkatt: Monty - Cuth - Cape (?) - ?


Monty: katze - Cuth - Dobby - Sleep?


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Cape90: Monty - Rask? (goes back to saying "rask is probably town, so i can't identify a preferred poe from cape's post)


Cuth: Monty - dobby?katze?sleep?


Sleep: Monty - katze/cuth? - ?





Cuth/Cape/Sleep I can't identify clear thoughts on what their PoE is, kinda seems like they're just content with Monty and game ends after that? Some names are mentioned but followed by "prolly just town" ish posts.





My point with doing this is that... We have Monty/Cape/Cuth/katze as preferred nr 1 yeet across the board. That's 4 names. I think other than katze being cleared by someone (idr who) we have a pretty super duper wide poe. I'm definitely included in that poe as well. That's 5 names.


We kinda need to cover all or at least bases for if monty isn't the yeet. Prolly not going to do that all-in today, but I think it's important to note that we can't just get into a f7/f5 where 5 people have 5 preferred yeets, that's suck poopbutt. I'm not sure how we're going to find the clears tho but we should like, spend our time trying to agree on stuff

idk this thing youre doing feels like it comes at a really weird time and... i know i accused kat of doing this the other day (ie playing exactly like she needed to to reach f3 and win as wolf) but this is... a similar thing im seeing here. especially bringing hk into the picture. write stuff about it, more than... what you wrote about the d1 stuff, maybe some more reasoning behind each thing you mentioned because i feel like you just wrote stuff without actually meaning them

talking about this

i ehm

i think his interactions with all the flipped mafia on day 1 read theatrical in hindsight. he backed off ender too easy. his solving looks shallow. his reaction to the ender vest situation looked kinda forced

and then saying "im fine with being wrong" (paraphrased) etc, because, sure, we all are, and have been, or we wouldnt be in f5, but... if youre going to not vote cape, and going after hk, dont just place a vanity vote there based on very loose grounds, we kinda need to be on the same track here or see what the others see to have a chance and not just "i believe this is right bai".


did you check my interaction with hk d3? the thing i said made me change my mind on hk?

[katze]

honestly the biggest reason i have to think cape might be a villager is the fact that i feel like the thread has become significantly more pro-katze for reasons that i don't fully understand in a way that makes me feel like im the designated F3 ML

and i don't think thats how w!cape approaches the game i think he needs anything he can get to get to F3

[Dobby]

also apparently i never replied to this:

yeah, i understand that voting outside of cape and being wrong is significantly worse than voting cape and being wrong, with that said i don't really feel comfortable using that as an excuse to vote cape and afk. i was more willing to do that yesterday because the stakes were lower but i'm... thinking about worlds where cape is a villager.

if you asked me who i was gonna place my vote on if EoD was in 30 seconds i wouldn't have a solid answer though. probably stll cape because id be panicked but thats not the point of this analogy smh

i probably spent like a million hours looking into this yestergameday and i honestly feel pretty good about my vote. it feels like the lvl 1 solve was monty-cuth-cape-(and you) in some order, and thats the road we've been following, because it leads to a f3 that can be solved without weird stuff involved. I do have thoughts on you, i do have thoughts on sleep (way more today), and a bit on hk, but this still feels like The way.

[Dobby]

im in a predicament

if we vote out a non-cape/katze villager today then f3 is like... me cape and idk. and like, if both me and cape are in f3 i feel like town basically always loses it because if one of us is mafia then the other one is probably going to die and if we're both town then... who the fuck knows but that'd be a wack f3 and one that i think objectively is dangerous

while i have these thoughts i am also considering worlds where i want to vote sleep or dobby

now if you read between the lines here

i hate it here

this bolded thing is literally what im trying to say


if we are wrong it's fine, then we are in f3 and the amount of stuff to read is way less.

[katze]

dobby i know what ur saying and i don't particularly disagree i just hate that i'm no longer as confident in it being correct today

[Dobby]

honestly the biggest reason i have to think cape might be a villager is the fact that i feel like the thread has become significantly more pro-katze for reasons that i don't fully understand in a way that makes me feel like im the designated F3 ML

and i don't think thats how w!cape approaches the game i think he needs anything he can get to get to F3

i was the one most loudly anti-you until i spent my 200 hours rereading stuff as well as our interactions and then i felt a lot better about you, thats probably why its significantly more pro-katze.


i think w!cape doesnt need to do much because we are doing it for him

[katze]

i was the one most loudly anti-you until i spent my 200 hours rereading stuff as well as our interactions and then i felt a lot better about you, thats probably why its significantly more pro-katze.


i think w!cape doesnt need to do much because we are doing it for him

nod

thats true, iirc cape was lightening up on me too though, and i think sleep as well?

like basically everybody alive who isn't a kat was previously much louder about me being a wolf and is no longer that?

[Cape90]

[QUOTE=Sleep;2053831867]

if we vote out a non-cape/katze villager today then f3 is like... me cape and idk. and like, if both me and cape are in f3 i feel like town basically always loses it because if one of us is mafia then the other one is probably going to die and if we're both town then... QUOTE]

bwuhhh?

i don't see what makes this so confusing
If both me and katze are villagers and we miselim somebody else today, it's pretty much a guarantee that neither of me or katze are going to get nightkilled, pretty much a nonzero chance, and like, I can't just lock town myself or whatever soz

[Cape90]

(sleep said that not katze)

[Dobby]

dobby i know what ur saying and i don't particularly disagree i just hate that i'm no longer as confident in it being correct today

part of my point is that its FINE if we aren't correct today, because yeah, you and cape in f3 will be a straight up lottery thing to deal with, but not yeeting him (or you) means that f3 will just be insanely hard.

Sleep and HK have kind of gotten free-passes for a huge chunk of the game based on like one or a couple of things and reevaluating that sure it can be done to a bigger extent now in f5 but id rather just, have us wait until f3 when we really would need to, and i genuinely would rather see hk and sleep in f3 than both you and cape.

[Dobby]

nod

thats true, iirc cape was lightening up on me too though, and i think sleep as well?

like basically everybody alive who isn't a kat was previously much louder about me being a wolf and is no longer that?

cape was very pro-katze despite you pushing him (idk what day it was but it was for a fairly long time) and i think it was yesterday that cape started sussing you back.

i didn't get the immpression of what youre wirting there but shrugze. maybe to some extent? meh

[katze]

that doesnt sound right and i'd fact check it but im currently doing other busywork

also i didnt see you "bwuh"ing at my post gira but i feel like its p self explanatory so shrugze

cape do you really have nothing else to add