like yeah listening to my heart would mean i likely even vote katze and especially if it means not having you and cape there
like we have a few people fairly consensus town barring tinfoil, we dont need to make this game harder than it is. If there's 3 of us that are pretty damn towny and have been towncored for a few days, but not obv kill targets, we dont do the mafias job and yeet one of them.
that doesnt sound right and i'd fact check it but im currently doing other busywork
also i didnt see you "bwuh"ing at my post gira but i feel like its p self explanatory so shrugze
cape do you really have nothing else to add
what doesnt sound right? if youre talking about cape being pro-katze, he 100% was (check the preferred-poe list i quoted above, and check back at the posts around that time, i believe it was in f9 or something.).
id be bummed because id have broken out of a days long tunnel on hm and successfully found him only to be unable or not confident enough to convince others to save him and id be dreading the prospect of going to f3 (because, well, i think you know)
You are also voting HK right now which... would sort of indicate that you are confident enough to save me? Or is this the matter of convincing other people and not yourself?
To me, I am in this predicament right now to where if I go into the final 3, I am sure I would be miselimmed out of anyone.
Obviously wolf is going for the long shot here which is not going to make today easy
cape was very pro-katze despite you pushing him (idk what day it was but it was for a fairly long time) and i think it was yesterday that cape started sussing you back.
i didn't get the immpression of what youre wirting there but shrugze. maybe to some extent? meh
I would say sort of. For the most part I was trusting HK on the whole katze meta read thing since I was trusting HK.
Been back and forth on katze, and you don't really have the whole story there from yesterday, I beleive that I saw content from katze on like page... 97 (IIRC) that I found to really just probably come from town, the page where they self-voted/had a towny wall that I want to look back on
does... my reasoning around why cape should die today and NOT be in f3 make sense? which trio do you think makes for the easiest/most preferable f3 from a town pov?
im not gonna like, go re-do the things ive done but this is a post from f9 where i went through all preferred poes
idk this thing youre doing feels like it comes at a really weird time and... i know i accused kat of doing this the other day (ie playing exactly like she needed to to reach f3 and win as wolf) but this is... a similar thing im seeing here. especially bringing hk into the picture. write stuff about it, more than... what you wrote about the d1 stuff, maybe some more reasoning behind each thing you mentioned because i feel like you just wrote stuff without actually meaning them
talking about this
and then saying "im fine with being wrong" (paraphrased) etc, because, sure, we all are, and have been, or we wouldnt be in f5, but... if youre going to not vote cape, and going after hk, dont just place a vanity vote there based on very loose grounds, we kinda need to be on the same track here or see what the others see to have a chance and not just "i believe this is right bai".
did you check my interaction with hk d3? the thing i said made me change my mind on hk?
im not totally concerned with an "optimal vote" or whatever today. the optimal vote is the one that is on mafia. i get that you are hedging in the event of us being wrong. i am simply trying to figure things out.
i realize my vote is an empty one right now and my words are vague. it is also 3 hours into the day. i am kind of testing out how i feel about things, the words will come when i have time and am more certain on my feelings, and to do that i need a little time (i don't want to throw myself into it obsessively but i want to cover my bases)
its a 48 hour phase, the game has my undivided attention now, ill get to it when i feel comfortable going "yeah this is what i think". dont worry. have a little patience.
i don't see what makes this so confusing
If both me and katze are villagers and we miselim somebody else today, it's pretty much a guarantee that neither of me or katze are going to get nightkilled, pretty much a nonzero chance, and like, I can't just lock town myself or whatever soz
katze is laying out a scenario talking about "if one of us is mafia" but its between...her and you which is wacky because from her perspective she should always be town
i forgot how much of an... interaction ender/cuth have at EoD1. it's kinda weird.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
(theres a bit more but multiquote keeps breaking on me)
anyway im thinking. my impression of cuth at eod1 in slep is "look good after radishes flips", i don't think he expected radishes to go over? around the time mac votes radishes is probably when wolves realized he was dying
in this eod1 you have w!ender basically doing nothing but screaming "kill newcomb kill newcomb" and also kinda interacting with cuth and kinda advocating a cuth wagon for a bit before dropping that. could easily see that bit as w/w given the part where he drops it and goes back to pushing newcomb
cuths eod1 is... less narrow tho. idk. i don't reaaalllllly feel like cuth is trying to look good off of ladd flipping but his first few posts of D2 make me squint a bit
i mean i can talk about how i'm town every post if you want but i've discovered it is both obnoxious and unproductive to say "well actually i'm a villager" in all of my hypotheticals
its weird because for the 24 hours following voting cuth i felt bad but now that im here i feel like my mindset has shifted in accordance with no being as invested and now i feel like i have nothing to lose
cape if i told you i wanted to give you full control of todays execution, and if you're wrong, we kill you tomorrow - who do you vote and why?
you can answer this later if you want but i want you to think about it
I know this might not be the answer you want but I would toss either you or HK up and say it's not anybody else
it's not Sleep
it's not Dobby
if it is they already won
HK looks decent off meta and decent content but thats not clearing, I don't super recall what they said/contributed yesterday
you look decent out of your reaction to pressure and having good posts.
i mean yeah HK is probably the person i am most confidently clearing and i'm the other person but like, i'm asking to evaluate your alignment more than anything so
why do you think sleep/dobby have already won if mafia?
You are also voting HK right now which... would sort of indicate that you are confident enough to save me? Or is this the matter of convincing other people and not yourself?
To me, I am in this predicament right now to where if I go into the final 3, I am sure I would be miselimmed out of anyone.
Obviously wolf is going for the long shot here which is not going to make today easy
cape, theres no majority, votes are purely symbolic until the deadline occurs. this is me tracing out a feeling. what happened was i went back and looked at what the dead townies had as poes. i had sort of contemplated just voting katze there, because that was what most of them wanted (and as said idt its you anymore). but dobby raised a good point about how ender spoke to katze. so i went and reread hollowkatt because i felt as though i had ignored him too much, and i didnt like what i saw
i mean yeah HK is probably the person i am most confidently clearing and i'm the other person but like, i'm asking to evaluate your alignment more than anything so
why do you think sleep/dobby have already won if mafia?
It was more of like, you wanted one answer
Dobby would literally have to be the most masterful manipulator if they are mafia, like there is no way they are not innocent
Sleep I think just has some real pure thoughts that really don't look like they have an agenda, a feeling that I have had all game.
Let's say I die today, I flip town, mafia night kills HK, my advice to you IF YOU ARE TOWN, is you probably go Sleep over Dobby
(although coloring in VCs gives me fear because back in my PEAK i won multiple games as scum going to F3 where I colored in VCs to make it look like i was being effrtful/doing work and manipulate people into thinking i was cleared off some voting)
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