Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Sleep]

gurgle

[Sleep]

Just noticed that sleep isn't on this list

im the second line there

[Cape90]

I kinda don't think it's dobby though, though I am kinda bugged out that Dobby called me/Cuth 50/50 when Dobby clearly favored me and wasn't really casing Cuth, like, at all, in fact he like quoted something and called it "lol if Cuth is wolf and did this" soz

[hollowkatt]

LMAO no what?

nobody read my "why can everyone be town and why can everyone be wolf" post did they? I specifically said my dobby wolf reasons don't apply till F3

[Cape90]

oh, Dobby put sleep in the middle of that second line.

[Dobby]

Thing about Dobby!mafia is that they have kinda conf!biased themselves on me, even yesterday and I find that slightly towny as they haven't been all drifty like... literally everyone else. However, because of this it kinda makes them the I suppose "odd one out". Though this leads to the question "why would mafia Dobby want to stick out like a sore thumb vs everyone else?"

dobby!mafia... has confbiased themselves on you?


me and ender also had some arguments and cross voted, i guess that could be faked too but yea. And my first scumlean i voiced in the game was on ladd. not that those things should matter but yea.

I have mixed opinions on Dobby posts like this

Like again, Dobby's worldview has been fairly static, fairly set on me. Now here Dobby is complaining about how "everything is so complicated, weh", when to me, Dobby presented a pretty clear reason to think that it's me via some interaction with mafia I guess.

That doesn't sound that complicated to me. Dobby says themselves that



Which would pretty literally solidify Dobby voting me. So what's the problem?

The most uncharitable take on this would be that Dobby knows that I am town and wants a misvote on me to occur. (obviously the most charitable take is that it's genuine)

This is uncharitable at best. I spent HOURS yestergameday on reading through interactions and d1 and eod1. When i went into that i was kinda locked in on katze with a side sus on cuth. THAT was when i changed my mind on you. For it to be confbias i need to like... have something i find proof for when i read back? I'm pretty sure i wrote +es and -es for all of you, and i came out of THAT with a scumread on you.

Saying my worldview has been static is a lie. If you mean this gameday, yes i guess so - since i havent played today. I've said i will, and that i would hopefully reread hk/sleep/kat closer to eod, and im here now. Not that ill have time to do a lot, but its straight up not true what youre writing here.



And to comment on this

The most uncharitable take on this would be that Dobby knows that I am town and wants a misvote on me to occur. (obviously the most charitable take is that it's genuine)

This is also just, an attempt at making a read that just falls flat. If I know you are town, I WANT you in the f3. If I know you are town, I don't try to vote you out for two days before f3 to prevent myself from having just a slam dunk situation in f3. The logic in this doesn't check out at all.

[Cape90]

alright, checks out tbh.

can i just ask about the bolded tbh. I have stated a few times why i think this is exactly how katze wolf needs to play to win and i hope you read it and understood my viewpoint and if not let me know and ill try to rewrite it til you get how it could make sense for me because i feel like its vital to get that specific thing before deciding where you land

the cape read you're describing there - is that a thing he does as town or as wolf? I think its a kinda weak thing in meta terms ish but alrgugt.

And if it's a read on how cape plays as town, you are voting him now y tho

dobby misunderstanding that the meta read is about katze and not me :wowee:

[Dobby]

Unvote: Hollowkatt

GDI now im paranoid this could just be mafia. Maybe I am just laughably bad at getting experianced wolf. If I was wolf, I would be very caught and obvious by now, ask katze

I genuinely have a hard time parsing this as genuine at all and you're doing yourself no favours here.

[Dobby]

I kinda don't think it's dobby though, though I am kinda bugged out that Dobby called me/Cuth 50/50 when Dobby clearly favored me and wasn't really casing Cuth, like, at all, in fact he like quoted something and called it "lol if Cuth is wolf and did this" soz

yeah that was very back and forth and evolved towards the end, i'm sure my trail of thoughts was there in my stream of conciousness type of posting.


i do see/saw clear reasons for calling you a wolf. for cuth it was more like "it could be".

dobby misunderstanding that the meta read is about katze and not me :wowee:

w... what?

[Dobby]

BTW a thought I had was that..

When you're the last wolf alive, it's way harder to find anything legit to scumread you for/find you compared to if you are alive with teammates. You basically don't have to fake anything other than on a very very surface level. Also meaning that at this stage, it's easy to find someone's wording not like, 100% making sense or a misuse of a word or whatever, but that kinda shouldn't mean anything really because that applies to everyone allowed in the game. I think at least.

[Cape90]

dobby!mafia... has confbiased themselves on you?


me and ender also had some arguments and cross voted, i guess that could be faked too but yea. And my first scumlean i voiced in the game was on ladd. not that those things should matter but yea.



This is uncharitable at best. I spent HOURS yestergameday on reading through interactions and d1 and eod1. When i went into that i was kinda locked in on katze with a side sus on cuth. THAT was when i changed my mind on you. For it to be confbias i need to like... have something i find proof for when i read back? I'm pretty sure i wrote +es and -es for all of you, and i came out of THAT with a scumread on you.

Saying my worldview has been static is a lie. If you mean this gameday, yes i guess so - since i havent played today. I've said i will, and that i would hopefully reread hk/sleep/kat closer to eod, and im here now. Not that ill have time to do a lot, but its straight up not true what youre writing here.



And to comment on this



This is also just, an attempt at making a read that just falls flat. If I know you are town, I WANT you in the f3. If I know you are town, I don't try to vote you out for two days before f3 to prevent myself from having just a slam dunk situation in f3. The logic in this doesn't check out at all.

1) okay on that first post, I kinda rambled a but, I meant to say if dobby is mafia, I think they are conf biasing themselves on me as in it could be a thing that is faked.

2) You said something along the lines of "oh I wanna read sleep/hk/kat by eod but i'm too lazy rn" and I don't think you ever got around to it. Feel like it's been static on me for at least a good 4 days with possible fake attemtps to actually look outside me, only to just wrap around back to me.

3) Okay we can argue semantics all we want, but technically if you are mafia, you know that everybody is town. That is a universally excepted fact for everyone here right now obviously. Henceforth, I want to change my wording to "you know that I am a town that would be easy to misvote over other town" which I feel like is true. I didn't think my most uncharitable thing is what I was thinking, it was more of a hypothetical as I believe you to just be town the more I read back.

-Only thing I am worried about is the constant "look at the interactions that mafia have with cape, not cape's ISO" thing that you have been perpetuating which to me, it looks scummy, but at the same time, I could see this as like, just a town thing.

-For the last hour I wanna focus on Sleep's ISO, close the curtains on Dobby, thank you very much. Personally, I would probably keep you alive in a final 3 scenario unlike HK who I would probably not? but good show

[Cape90]

w... what?

Look back at the post at the bolded that you bolded on HK, it was mentioning meta looking good for katze, not myself.

They kinda jumped from talking about katze right into me

[Cape90]

I genuinely have a hard time parsing this as genuine at all and you're doing yourself no favours here.

Good thing I am flipping anyway so you don't fucking have to until I flip :)

[Sleep]

afk for dinner back in 30 or so

[Cape90]

like ideally we chop a wolf today. the next best thing after that would be removing someone from the POE via the chop.
I'd like to not die but if I'm going to, and I think dobby + vest = dead HK we might as well do me today and give dobby the vest for tomorrow instead of chopping "random town" today and having dobby blow me up tomorrow.

That's the line of thinking that got me there.

I am literally so confused by this whole thing in the bolded

[Dobby]

Here's a long post about cuth

And here's the next post, also about Cuth

The summarizing comment was

like, yeah, cuth makes sense

So you saying i was static and locked in on you is.. well at least not only on you I guess


Here's a VCA re d1, i've green/redmarked the flipped people (except for rask)


Still 3 people that haven't flipped on the Newcomb wagon, here's the summary of that fmpov

i kinda hate that those are the names on newcomb wagon

id say maybe its a good look for cuth that he wasnt on any of the main wagons but he wasnt there during the eod, and vanity wagon easy way to avoid the spotlight

if it needs saying sleep is town, there's no way two wolves vote cape here for no reason when there's nothing at stake (im usually wrong when im confident about something)

cape vote is self pres onto monty and then changes vote to newcomb to make him top wagon. i think from a t!cape perspective it makes sense that he has two counterwagons to himself and he selfpresses onto whoever he thinks is more likely scum?

hollowkatts voting pattern here is nai, rask is locked onto monty shrug not meaningful

The sleep post isn't supposed to be there but considering monstr has flipped wolf and cuth has flipped town, this is an awfully awfully wolfy post from you.


More quotedumping about/with all of you


and more...


tldr "static" is an interesting way of describing it

[katze]

hi

uhm

weh

[Dobby]

1) okay on that first post, I kinda rambled a but, I meant to say if dobby is mafia, I think they are conf biasing themselves on me as in it could be a thing that is faked.

2) You said something along the lines of "oh I wanna read sleep/hk/kat by eod but i'm too lazy rn" and I don't think you ever got around to it. Feel like it's been static on me for at least a good 4 days with possible fake attemtps to actually look outside me, only to just wrap around back to me.

3) Okay we can argue semantics all we want, but technically if you are mafia, you know that everybody is town. That is a universally excepted fact for everyone here right now obviously. Henceforth, I want to change my wording to "you know that I am a town that would be easy to misvote over other town" which I feel like is true. I didn't think my most uncharitable thing is what I was thinking, it was more of a hypothetical as I believe you to just be town the more I read back.

-Only thing I am worried about is the constant "look at the interactions that mafia have with cape, not cape's ISO" thing that you have been perpetuating which to me, it looks scummy, but at the same time, I could see this as like, just a town thing.

-For the last hour I wanna focus on Sleep's ISO, close the curtains on Dobby, thank you very much. Personally, I would probably keep you alive in a final 3 scenario unlike HK who I would probably not? but good show

yeah i felt like with what i did yesterday i didnt want to keep readng the same stuff over and over. and i said i was doing stuff yesterday evening, and have been out today as well until now. so yeah if you want to call that static then sure, but its static after i put a ton of effort in, and not just static but dont have much to back it up with, there's a significant different there imo.

Look back at the post at the bolded that you bolded on HK, it was mentioning meta looking good for katze, not myself.

They kinda jumped from talking about katze right into me

uh might be a language barrier thing but it was katze that i was referring to lol, i just added some about you

[Cape90]

1. It's pretty early to sus on Ladd here but Dobby does it. No wolf at this point is super concerned with positioning nor is there any kind of indication that Ladd could potentially be at risk here. While it's a safe position for a wolf to take, drawing attention to the position by including it as one of only four stated positions I think is risky. Ladd would need to go over quickly (basically D1) for the read to not look like TMI

oh come on it's HK

"at risk". Such partner

Vote: Hollowkatt

Credits to Sleep for having me find that.

Listen, I know that's kinda a lazy answer, but I think it's the right one, and I believe in final 3 making that choice

[Dobby]

hi

uhm

weh

good post and im fully convinced now

[katze]

oh come on it's HK

"at risk". Such partner

Vote: Hollowkatt

Credits to Sleep for having me find that.

Listen, I know that's kinda a lazy answer, but I think it's the right one, and I believe in final 3 making that choice

wat

good post and im fully convinced now

#Polarized

[Cape90]

yeah i felt like with what i did yesterday i didnt want to keep readng the same stuff over and over. and i said i was doing stuff yesterday evening, and have been out today as well until now. so yeah if you want to call that static then sure, but its static after i put a ton of effort in, and not just static but dont have much to back it up with, there's a significant different there imo.

never accused you of suspecting me for no reason, that's different from what I have been implying with static

[katze]

...weh

i have opinions on capes posting but i might just be coping

cape can you elaborate on this post a bit, wasn't sunya a syn+dunya hydra?

So Sleep feels like they are kinda just in their own world this game which doesn't fit their mafia games I think. That also reminds me of their sunya hydra game thing.

[Cape90]

real thing is i was tracking the dobby/hk argument to see how i feel about it and run smack dab into this cape post



which just kinda rubs me wrong in how it feels


thers still stuff that like...i get the feeling a lot of the stuff hk says is done to look towny rather than actually find scum but idk

I think the difference in mafia me making that post vs town me making that post is that mafia me would go off the logic of someone else when I said

I have a feeling mafia is Mont this game. Too many things keep piling up

the too many things piling up, were things that I cited

-Mont soft defending me
-Mont having what looked like w/w interactions
-Mont having other underwhelming walls of quotes followed up by some one liner.

[Dobby]

never accused you of suspecting me for no reason, that's different from what I have been implying with static

yes and im saying thats also wrong :P

[katze]

wasn't sunya a syn+dunya hydra?

nope apparently that's joqiza and gira that makes sense :wowee:

[Dobby]

Newcomb? You mean nebjiamn?



You know, I don't actually like this read all that much on EnderWiggin as I feel like what Ender has been doing has been sort of villagery for actually the same reasons why ladd suspects Ender.



I am gonna take a shot in the dark and say that Benneh's read on a person who has only posted once isn't a deep read.

I just am so confused on katze's whole "wall" post that it almost looks really wolfy to me. At least I get the wolfy feelings in the first part of the post and especially the last part of the post.



1. I dont see why
2. who is bladescape?

im reading through ender iso and god this post (link if you want the quotes included

[Cape90]

...weh

i have opinions on capes posting but i might just be coping

cape can you elaborate on this post a bit, wasn't sunya a syn+dunya hydra?

Lemme give you a simple one:

-Who was even looking at HK today? Why wouldn't maf!Sleep just go consensus?

BONUS

-The entire wall Sleep made on me day 1 about me was kinda out of nowhere and not really prompted by others, just like this HK sus.

Though right now I am looking through Sleep's logs (which look squeaky from what I have looked at )

I only referenced the hydra game https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/33303 game because in terms of Gira!town, this game reminded me the most of this game versus some of the catboi games I have played with em. And I focused on that hydra a lot since I was a bit sus of Gira's posting, not sure why looking back on it lol. The hydra is Gira/joqiza

[katze]

kinda suspicious that you scumread sleep on december of 2021 yet you townread them here. care to explain that progression

(this is how i imagine long phase games)

[katze]

Lemme give you a simple one:

-Who was even looking at HK today? Why wouldn't maf!Sleep just go consensus?

BONUS

-The entire wall Sleep made on me day 1 about me was kinda out of nowhere and not really prompted by others, just like this HK sus.

Though right now I am looking through Sleep's logs (which look squeaky from what I have looked at )

I only referenced the hydra game https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/33303 game because in terms of Gira!town, this game reminded me the most of this game versus some of the catboi games I have played with em. And I focused on that hydra a lot since I was a bit sus of Gira's posting, not sure why looking back on it lol. The hydra is Gira/joqiza

well, if sleep is a wolf then the wall on you D1 was, as newcomb/ladd said, probably just made to look villagery while killing a villager

if he's a villager then, well, it wasnt that wowee

fwiw i think i was the only person coming into today with HK as confident town, aorn im. more hoping it's you than anything else