Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Sleep]

I'm ready.
I don't think town Sleep does that. Here's why: Even though votes aren't locked and even though the day is the full 48 hours coming into the thread like that, dropping a very large case that looks damning on the surface you are relying entirely on me actually being the last wolf.

You said yourself you were shook when I responded the way I did and that's why you shifted your read on me. I don't think town comes into the last day of the game with the intention of burying someone before being rock solid sure on that persons alignment.
If I'd responded poorly and katze buys into the HK wolf narrative town loses this game. The entire onus of town winning this game relies on how well I respond to your push and I feel like town doesn't take that risk.
A wolf though does.

this is weird because the first sentence assumes the perspective i am mafia but the second assumes i am town

and regardless

it is not a ridiculous position to come into f3 with a read and pursue it

there are plenty of examples where town has voted early in a f3. i don't see why this is outlandish

[katze]

why is it not genuine? because (fypov) i am wrong?



i lashed out because it felt like you didnt have a single care for what i said and werent actually trying to evaluate me

its not "you're wrong" its

"YOU ARE A WOLF YOU ARE A LIAR THERE IS NO WORLD YOU ARE A VILLAGER" just. feels like an agenda.

meh

that turbo ended prematurely so hi :wowee:

[hollowkatt]

this is weird because the first sentence assumes the perspective i am mafia but the second assumes i am town

and regardless

it is not a ridiculous position to come into f3 with a read and pursue it

there are plenty of examples where town has voted early in a f3. i don't see why this is outlandish

Because the onus is on town to be right. The wolf merely needs to appear to be right. And it wasn't until I started actually pushing back and defending myself that you bothered to consider whether or not I could be town. If votes were locked and you are town you lost us the game the instant you voted for me.
Luckily they're not locked and luckily I'm competent in defending myself.

When you came into the thread today to push me the only way town wins this game, again if you are town, is if my defense is strong enough to counter your push AND ALSO can spew you town in a way that Katze can't push you. But these aren't things your posting shows crossed your mind.

Like ok if you're town all Katze has to do is say "I don't believe the HK responses" and votes me and the game ends in a wolf win. If you're town and Katze is the wolf and you make that push and I push back as I did all Katze needs to do here is reinforce your case / statements, keep you on track, and go on to win the game.

[Sleep]

decidedly untrue but ok I guess?
I read the posts. I thought the AtE/Emotional posting was wolfy as fuck. It felt to me like as soon as I was no longer on the table and you committed to that that you turned on Katze and instead of pushing them like you pushed me you got upset with how they were treating you and that fueled the posting.

Then as soon as I start looking at vote counts again you make the statement that I'm playing like I've got F3 in the palm of my hands which I very much do not.

I believe you're an imminently competent and skilled player who has played a very good game, I just don't believe it's a town game. That's all there is to it.

because, dead honest: i didn't think there was a case against katze. the only reason i turned against her WAS because i felt the way she was handling me was disingenuous

and yeah, i thought you removing yourself from the argument and not even deigning to talk to me when i was asking for your attention might mean that i was wrong

[Sleep]

Because the onus is on town to be right. The wolf merely needs to appear to be right. And it wasn't until I started actually pushing back and defending myself that you bothered to consider whether or not I could be town. If votes were locked and you are town you lost us the game the instant you voted for me.
Luckily they're not locked and luckily I'm competent in defending myself.

When you came into the thread today to push me the only way town wins this game, again if you are town, is if my defense is strong enough to counter your push AND ALSO can spew you town in a way that Katze can't push you. But these aren't things your posting shows crossed your mind.

Like ok if you're town all Katze has to do is say "I don't believe the HK responses" and votes me and the game ends in a wolf win. If you're town and Katze is the wolf and you make that push and I push back as I did all Katze needs to do here is reinforce your case / statements, keep you on track, and go on to win the game.

why does that make me mafia and not town who played suboptimally

[Sleep]

its not "you're wrong" its

"YOU ARE A WOLF YOU ARE A LIAR THERE IS NO WORLD YOU ARE A VILLAGER" just. feels like an agenda.

meh

that turbo ended prematurely so hi :wowee:

because it felt like you were not giving consideration to my arguments and your self-defense was dishonest

[Sleep]

@katze just vote me like we all know you're going to

[katze]

gotta do something for my dad be back in a bit but

sleep it just feels like today you're

pushing who you think is pushable

im not really convinced your swaps are like, you rabbiting around as opposed to you wolfing

[katze]

@katze just vote me like we all know you're going to

am i not voting you already i thought i was

ill keep it off just for suspense in that case

joycat

[Sleep]

every game its the same thing


nothing i say is ever given any regard


people treat me like absolute shit

[Sleep]

i wasnt gonna go this far but atp i dont really care

its dehumanizing to get treated this way all the time

[Sleep]

im not going to stick around to find out who is mafia and who is just a jerk


at this point i dont really want to know



for anyone who played in this game, don't talk to me after it's over, don't give me your condolences, especially do not compliment me. you might mean well but i assure you it is incredibly patronizing to hear. do not DM me, do not try to make contact, i don't want to hear it. if you try to reach out i will block you.


i realize that i am essentially the sole single biggest factor in making this game a town loss, and that had my slot been occupied by a villager of even average skill this might have been a win instead. that sucks a lot. i was trying to have fun and tell myself it didn't matter but losing in this fashion has just broken me. it sucks to suck as bad as i do. to constantly lose and have it always be your fault.

the problem is although i tried to have fun and not get too worked up over it i have barely been afforded a single iota of respect this entire game. that i never really got spoken to fairly. i wanted to help but no one would work with me or try to help me out. maybe after the game look back and if you were town see my words were genuine and think for a minute.


i dont think its too much to ask to at least be seen.

[Sleep]

unvote


@Visor please just call the game

[katze]

i-

oh dear

[Sleep]

also sorry it turned out like this everyone

[katze]

vote:hk

i dont really think it matters anymore, if you wrote that as mafia then whatever congrats im deleting this game from my brain

i defintiely tried engagng with you but im not going to argue with it

[Visor]

alright fellas.

the game is gonna be called here, I know its only an hour half till eod but I don't really see the point in playing ti out any further

if you care about tracking stats, katze was the wolf and this is a wolf win.

Thanks all for playing.

I've got some more things to say, but I figure I better wrap things up here.

feel free to postgame etc at your leisure.

https://discord.gg/xyREPY4HrT

link to dvc

[Hally]

gg, fun one to spec

sorry it ended like this

[nebjiamn]

gg i was hally

[Raskolnikov]

GG it was katze.

Well play all. Really enjoyable game to play and follow from dvc. Tiny bits of it being tedious but thats life. Love u all.

Thanks Visor for hosting.

Ps: as discussed in dvc, if there is interest to play Zacks poisonner 17er, i can host it here during summer.

[Zack]

gg i was hally

[Sunbae]

gg thanks for hosting visor
wp woofs

would be in for poisoner

[Visor]

when i invited you fellas here, I was hoping to have a mostly chill game where people tried to win but didn't take it too hard if things didn't work out

obviously when you get a lot of decent players in a game, people stress out a bit - but I was hoping hosting a game off mu and with a playerbase that wasn't overly aggressive or in your face that people would have a better time.

not everything works out - obv the whole monstr thing was rough, i regret inviting him because clearly he was in a bad mental state at the time and playing ww just excarberated it, i should've just let him heal in his own time

and then today, obv things are going to get tense and nobody wants to be the reason/s their team loses (even when all that is is just the most recent reason, there were plenty of opportunities prior). at the end of the day it is just a game however. there will be another one that gets hosted here in the future.

winning or losing doesn;t matter in the grand scheme, all that matters is that you have fun and enjoy the game, and while i think that mostly happened outside a few instances.

please don't take this too harshly, id definitely invite all of you to play again (yes that includes you gira). i wouldn't have invited you guys if i didn't think you were fun players. one bad day shouldn't damper the whole experience and spirit the game was played in.

not sure where i'm going with this, just hope everyone is doing well, and that you're always welcome to play another game here.

[Csargo]

ggs everyone, thanks for the game Visor

[katze]

im retired

[Cuthillius]

-fzzt

[hollowkatt]

ggwp Katzenberg ����

[hollowkatt]

LOLOL autocorrect

[Montmorency]

The game progressed fine for the most part. Late game anxiety is a thing. The setup is not fancy, but it wasn't intended nor needed to be. It fulfilled its entertainment potential with the successful detonations and deep katz. Thanks to all.

[ladd]

Gg

Thx for hosting visor and thx for the carry katze