Why is your question to me not really phrased as a question but more a demand for information? Am I wrong in thinking there isn?t some negative weight to the demand?
Nya if I misread!
I didn?t really have a particular reason for Raskolnikov nor was it to generate discussion either! Though it?s always nice when life delivers lemons as is the case right now :3
Having read back a bit.
Throughout D1 Ender was voting Lantana, and tbh, one thing I thought was suspicious about Ender (and somewhat Rask) were that I thought Lantana was slightly villagery, and they both seemed to have an opposite perspective.
With the flips in mind, I think both look fine as a result (Ender voting Lantana and pushing them, and Lantana trying to Wagon Rask).
I kind of had two worlds.
One with Ender/Rask, and one with Taffy/Lantana, and thought that Taffy was also slightly villagery (in our interactions, how they responded to my catch up posts), so I was less inclined to believe the latter being the wolf wolf.
That said, at this point, I do think it's outside of Ender and Rask, and outside of my main village reads, which leaves Ephemeral and Insomnia.
For now I'll place my vote on what seems most likely out of the options
Vote: Insomnia
The only thing I dislike about this is that I did think they were a little villagery at some points, but I also thought that of Lantana.
Unrelated: it doesn't look like I have covid (thankfully), I feel better today. It must have been either foodborne illness or maybe cross contamination with an allergen (I ate at a ramen shop, and the only allergy I really know about is shellfish).
I think this would be a pretty bizarre thing to say if it's W/W.
Like, if I were a wolf, I'd probably just say "Just pressure, I've played with them in the past and they went UTR for too long" and give some fairly legitimate reason, rather than "just for funzies"
I think this would be a pretty bizarre thing to say if it's W/W.
Like, if I were a wolf, I'd probably just say "Just pressure, I've played with them in the past and they went UTR for too long" and give some fairly legitimate reason, rather than "just for funzies"
Reason I asked was because that was a response to Insomnia.
Visor - lickitty lack claire
Raskol - pushed lantana/posts good
Sunabe - posts good, didn't really seem to post in a way that enabled lantana
Ephemeral - pushed by lantana in a situation that didn't really make sense (but i guess this is a vig turbo...)
Ender - decided to shitpost at eod, potentially playing up the angle that he didnt care (reminds me a bit of last game), maybe that was the angle he thought he needed to take to survive. did apparently shade lantana a bit need to reread here
Mischief - idkmybffjill
insomnia - idkmybffjill, narrow focus maybe wolfy? need to see what they say today
Visor - lickitty lack claire
Raskol - pushed lantana/posts good
Sunabe - posts good, didn't really seem to post in a way that enabled lantana
Ephemeral - pushed by lantana in a situation that didn't really make sense (but i guess this is a vig turbo...)
Ender - decided to shitpost at eod, potentially playing up the angle that he didnt care (reminds me a bit of last game), maybe that was the angle he thought he needed to take to survive. did apparently shade lantana a bit need to reread here
Mischief - idkmybffjill
insomnia - idkmybffjill, narrow focus maybe wolfy? need to see what they say today
alr saw some posts saying spamposting here is frowned upon so i tried to read through everything and condense things in 1 post
i really don't understand visor's taffy read. i thought taffy started with a semi-awkward opening that i wouldn't really wolfread without meta, but it kept me on my toes. apparently visor had the opposite take but from his reasoning it didn't make much sense to me. gth his sunbae v read so soon might be a better look? idk them well enough to shake off my early feeling about visor
sunbae's gripes seemed ~ok, not that villagery. i wanna lean into saying experienced players picking on a detail like that is a good look ig
mischief's starting posts seemed underwhelming for them but i have no thoughts on their follow-up
das bout it
its interesting in hindsight that this is all negative takes on people
like he has no indications of villageriness, certainly not actively trying to village read anyone
other thing is that mischief and lantana dont talk much in the first page (80 ppp)
or much at all
vote: mischief for now i think
"That's rather quick.
What is your reasoning there?"
mischief on dyas read on me, feels stilted
idk, i think mischief might be the wolf fellas
rereading eph and seems ok
Regarding the first page part.
I was literally gone until the end of that page, when I was catching up.
Whether you're a villager or a wolf, this is kind of bullshit reasoning.
I'd have no disagreement that my light villa read on Lantana doesn't look great on me, but that's not what you are picking at, and what you're picking at is legitimately not good.
I don't care if I get wagoned today, to eliminate me from the POE, but should that occur, I want this push to be kept in mind after my flip.
It is not a good look.
That isn't to say I want you to be wagoned, I want this to be factored into everyone's evaluation of you should I die, and for those who read you better than I to take it into consideration.
Though I still stand by the idea that there was nothing strange about me asking Dya about an almost instantaneous read on you upon entering the thread, and similarly there was nothing strange about my consideration and assessment that my initial push and vote on you was indeed based on a likely flawed belief that you would retain enough familiarity with my play to know better, making it an unfair push.
I take fairness very seriously, and attempt not to place unfair expectations upon people, so that being pointed out to me by Dya and Sunbae is something I took seriously.
Why is your question to me not really phrased as a question but more a demand for information? Am I wrong in thinking there isn?t some negative weight to the demand?
Nya if I misread!
I didn?t really have a particular reason for Raskolnikov nor was it to generate discussion either! Though it?s always nice when life delivers lemons as is the case right now :3
Originally Posted by Lantana
checks out, I?m fine with a lower volume game personally and tend to post way too much now. This will be a good lesson regardless of outcome.
Also I think a bubbly = towny description is fine for me at the moment, but I can get quite feisty just for full disclosure. As in? don?t just wolf read me if I am not a single wave bubbly nya
Originally Posted by Lantana
This seems towny. Surface level towny.
On second thoughts I do think a wolf is less likely to express the thought in general and just post lots for the sweet town cred.
So, cool Sunbae.
Getting some nice town reads for the situation
Originally Posted by Lantana
Actually on re-read I retract my v read on visor. I am told he has word salad reads more often as a villager and makes his reads more polished as a wolf, and post 59 looked word salad-y (thereby town meta). If this meta is wrong, blame Katze. That aside though.
His latest string of posting feels like a diplomatic wolf and more closely resembles someone who?s acutely aware of everything they?re posting and the optics. I think this holds true even with meta aside.
Vote visor
Originally Posted by Lantana
Ender can you state your earlier reasons on me (again, if it was done originally...)?
OK visor, will note for next time.
Whoever is interested - just making sure there is no iso button? can't find one. won't be a problem but worth asking.
Originally Posted by Lantana
Mischief what's your Rasko read summarized in one sentence now?
I'm going to separate this post from the one on the overview of everyone else. After getting the chance to reread the thread I think the wolf is Insomnia via interactions with Lan in both directions, the wolf case Insom provided, and overall poe from the rest of the game (which I'll get to in a post shortly).
1. I believe the way Lan discussed Insomnia throughout the game is partnered. First with the posts dicussing Insom during the end of day.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Originally Posted by Lantana
Vote: Ephemeral
I don't really want to kill visor today; insomnia I was fine with him (by extension raskolnikov saying I was shading insomnia is not nya).
lemme order my reads
Originally Posted by Lantana
I think if Rask w then Insomnia v for the phrasing of MY phrasing to insomnia earlier.
For those not aware of what i'm referring to, insomnia asked me a very weighted question from my point of view, I asked why he did so, and Rask thought my weighted question (whilst answering insomnia's weighted question) was noteworthy. I think i'd see that more from a wolf wanting to cause villager villager violence in general than a villager tuning into a random conversation.
As for what that means for Insom's alignment if Rask is indeed a wolf the same would probably apply (Insom v). Although I say that not having thought of what a wolf alternative would look like #yolo
Originally Posted by Lantana
I'm still living off my take last night where he skipped RVS and got into some pretty immediate shading, I think that's more typically villagery than not, though i'll have to see how I feel about placing him against others (momentarily)
Originally Posted by Lantana
He was asking me a very weighted question!
for the first question, couldn't say for more generalities, for insomnia it wouldn't mean anything for that specific context! if you think otherwise I am all nyas (ears)
Originally Posted by Lantana
Not to subtly defend existing wagons, however,
Can those that are here nya about their Ephe read? I have him way more sus than insomnia at the moment
Originally Posted by Lantana
I may vote you at EOD
In these sections we have a tacked on ?Insomnia I was fine with him?, pushing on Rask and calling Insomnia V if Rask W, defending Insomnia for RVS stage stuff, a post shading Insom for ?a very weighted question? despite calling it v/v violence, way more sus on ephem than insomnia (but not wanting to defend wagons!), and threatening to vote Ender at EOD when wagons are Ender/Insom. These are all posts trying very, very hard to get anyone but Insomnia killed.
2. I think these posts in particular are near-damning given the rest of the posts around it.
Dyachei is probably true null which means I need to find more town reads and/or dyachei needs to be townier
I also had insomnia has my third town but I didn't wanna have him there if he's gonna flip wolf in 10 minutes nya
I def prefer Ephemeral, I can go check his posts again to confirm this (or potentially feel differently )
I'll ignore the ?Insomnia about to flip wolf? part as a reason to leave him off. That can be wifom. This list bottom is the two counterwagons (Ephem, Ender) to Insomnia. At the time the wagons are 4 Insomnia, 3 Ender, 1 Ephemeral. The next lowest is Rask (voting Insomnia). The next lowest is Visor (voting Insomnia). The second highest townread is Taffy. Two posts later a Taffy wagon starts and there is no Taffy defense the way they've defended Insomnia. In fact, they follow up with this post once it starts:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Originally Posted by Lantana
poe is rask taffy ender and is confused at rask town-reading him. could be w/w too
Now Taffy is in the POE. It's like 15 posts apart. No defense, no explanation, no nothing. This does not read like a wolf trying to position themselves well from a villager flip incoming by defending Insomnia/Taffy. They just threw anyone-but-insomnia under the bus.
3. The way Lan talks to everyone else is different from the way they talk to Insomnia. Posts towards me, visor, ender, dya, mischief are all like, tiptoeing around and being super pleasant/fair/friendly even if it's wolf reads or disagreement. The post towards insomnia is so darn pointed and comes out of nowhere. Bubbly before hand, pointed to insomnia, bubbly afterwards. My read on it is that it's purposefully pointed because it goes nowhere, brings no suspicion, and ends with a hard defense throughout end of day.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Originally Posted by Lantana
Why is your question to me not really phrased as a question but more a demand for information? Am I wrong in thinking there isn?t some negative weight to the demand?
Nya if I misread!
I didn?t really have a particular reason for Raskolnikov nor was it to generate discussion either! Though it?s always nice when life delivers lemons as is the case right now :3
Originally Posted by Lantana
checks out, I?m fine with a lower volume game personally and tend to post way too much now. This will be a good lesson regardless of outcome.
Also I think a bubbly = towny description is fine for me at the moment, but I can get quite feisty just for full disclosure. As in? don?t just wolf read me if I am not a single wave bubbly nya
Originally Posted by Lantana
This seems towny. Surface level towny.
On second thoughts I do think a wolf is less likely to express the thought in general and just post lots for the sweet town cred.
So, cool Sunbae.
Getting some nice town reads for the situation
Originally Posted by Lantana
Actually on re-read I retract my v read on visor. I am told he has word salad reads more often as a villager and makes his reads more polished as a wolf, and post 59 looked word salad-y (thereby town meta). If this meta is wrong, blame Katze. That aside though.
His latest string of posting feels like a diplomatic wolf and more closely resembles someone who?s acutely aware of everything they?re posting and the optics. I think this holds true even with meta aside.
Vote visor
Originally Posted by Lantana
Ender can you state your earlier reasons on me (again, if it was done originally...)?
OK visor, will note for next time.
Whoever is interested - just making sure there is no iso button? can't find one. won't be a problem but worth asking.
Originally Posted by Lantana
Mischief what's your Rasko read summarized in one sentence now?
4. I think Insomnia's Rask case was wolfy independently of any other interactions. Throwing all the reasons and credit at my feet despite me never making much of a case at all on Rask nor attempting to get anyone to look into him. I was just voting someone for vibe reasons. Rereading the thread with the knowledge that Lan is a wolf has me more unhappy with it. At the start of the game Insomnia throws out some shade for Lan RVS voting Rask before Rask posted. That's the post that started the whole ?pointed question? thing. Later, once I vote Rask, Insomnia looks over them ?for Sunbae? here and plops a vote down:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Originally Posted by insomnia
gave rask a re-read #forsunbae. i take issue mostly with the things in red.
the first visor thing seems like a disconnected thought that wouldn't really make it in the same post where he's calling people out (this is a bit nitpicky)
the second thing he drops in "they shaded insomnia" without any explanation for why that should be wolfy. i see no gears spinning that got rask to believe it was from a wolf agenda or to attempt to distinguish between wolf / town motivation. just said lantana did it and it's supposed to be wolfy. also in the same line from the start he frames it as lantana being wolfy for focusing on visor, then he adds the most important part about why that should be wolfy (the katze meta) like it would be a plus to the visor thing. it just doesn't seem..genuine tho im sure there's a better word
normally i'd place this on the backburner and ponder upon but i really have to go and place a vote
Vote : Raskolnikov
Originally Posted by insomnia
i'll be honest i did call this out too, it's def omega weird
In it, one of the reasons for finding Rask wolfy is the shading Insomnia post by Rask about Lan. Then Insomnia follows it up with agreeing with Rask that the Lan post was weird. Despite calling out Lan for that post, having a small pointed exchange, thinking it was weird Lan voted Rask in RVS, and then agreeing with Rask that it was weird, he landed on Rask instead of Lan. Small shade, never developing to anything, voting the person bringing heat to their interaction.
I can't imagine this is w/w. Very pointed and consistent about concerns and pressures there. I'm pretty intrigued on the Insomnia portion of this. Rask, do you still think that can't be w/w?
I think its unlikely? I mainly voted insom at EOD because I didnt think Blade was wolfing.
Now I am at Mischief, or a secret tinfoil (not Visor)
A bit sadge my breadscrumbs didnt get me a N1. Next time Ill ask respectfuflly.
Also, any thought on why Dya? Who kills Dya here?
"Les plus désespérés sont les chants les plus beaux, et j'en sais d'immortels qui sont de purs sanglots." Alfred de Musset
Originally Posted by Lantana
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