Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]

[Sunbae]

as an aside, im just not feeeeeeling solving from mischief in terms of investigative stuff

like he defends himself from me, but hes not exploring where he wants to kill etc

My experience with Mischief is that he's a lot more reserved on where to kill as a villager and finds spots he likes, goes in on them, and if they dont pan out takes a while to reorient himself. As a wolf he flings votes around a fair bit more with little rhyme or reason. I understand what you're saying and why you're concerned but I'm going to tell you the same thing I told him when he was concerned about you: I think you're misguided here for understandable reasons.

I'm ... trying to do better about that thing I do where I feel good about something and then kinda just put it out into the thread instead of working hard to help others see it too. I'm also thinking that - while I'm hoping this is the easy world and I nabbed a really good case and solved the game - there is a possibility that we live in a hard world (like Rask currently doesn't think it's either of my bottom 2) and if we do *that* is the kill the wolves absolutely need and I'm going to try and vocalize my belief that it's not it and prevent it.

[Visor]

You just gotta frame it as "how to find the lone wolf in end game and not succumb to information overload or paranoia". It's all about the marketing.

Acting like my "how to mash as a villager" article aint gonna be me talking about getting chopped as a 200 poster against the 4 poster in final 5. We all know it is lol

Lmao clever

Lolneighbourhoods

[Sunbae]

surviving, i guess.

im wary because wolves have to interact with villagers extensively because thats how they progress in the game, and there just seems to be zero real consideration from either side of each other

I definitely agree on the zero consideration from either side. Do you think I'm just like, overestimating the amount of foresight wolves should be having here?

[Visor]

I'll be around for the next six hours if ppl wanna talk but I don't have a lot to say until insomnia eph mischief all check in

[Visor]

I definitely agree on the zero consideration from either side. Do you think I'm just like, overestimating the amount of foresight wolves should be having here?

I think it's possible that the wolves aren't planning with foresight and intend to just play by ear, which means doing whatever to survive today, hope you're alive tomorrow.

Some wolves do act with foresight and it's possible here, I'm just wary of banking on it

[Sunbae]

200 posts of pure wolfish intent to be sure.

I went through the full gauntlet of emotion during that phase. Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance, Posting Disney Songs To Feel Better

[EnderWiggin]

Ill vig Ender tonight. Just assume it is done

I'd vig Mischief/Sunbae over me.

[Sunbae]

I'll be around for the next six hours if ppl wanna talk but I don't have a lot to say until insomnia eph mischief all check in

Yeah, think I'll go sleep. Think I've got all of my relevant thoughts in the thread.

See ya friends

[EnderWiggin]

I'm heading off to D&D soon so same.

Have fun all.

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #489

3 insomnia (Mischief, Sunbae, Raskolnikov)
2 Mischief (Visor, EnderWiggin)

Not Voting: Ephemeral, insomnia

Day 2 ends in

I've updated post #3 to include the updated list of living/dead players and a link to the d1/n1 updates.

[Ephemeral]

morning

I'll be around to chat in a few minutes after I take care of post wake up shenanigans

something something Vote: Mischief

[Visor]

morning

I'll be around to chat in a few minutes after I take care of post wake up shenanigans

something something Vote: Mischief

[Ephemeral]

[Ephemeral]

there was a bunch of handwaving going on with mischief and lantana last eod that I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to read into but I recall it sticking out like a sore thumb when I was reading through

thots?

[Visor]

there was a bunch of handwaving going on with mischief and lantana last eod that I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to read into but I recall it sticking out like a sore thumb when I was reading through

thots?

can you quote it

[Ephemeral]

Not to subtly defend existing wagons, however,

Can those that are here nya about their Ephe read? I have him way more sus than insomnia at the moment

Ephe is squarely in my "idfk" bucket, warming up a new spot in my POE

Nya

This whole sequence

I recall being like "there has to be a wolf here" when I first saw it post eod

but I'm not sure if this actually works as w/w? whole interaction just looks weird

[Ephemeral]

Not to subtly defend existing wagons, however,

Can those that are here nya about their Ephe read? I have him way more sus than insomnia at the moment

Ephe is squarely in my "idfk" bucket, warming up a new spot in my POE

Nya

on a more important note

I decided to seriously get into chess a few days ago, been really slow because of rl stuff but I'm getting there w/r/t learning the basic stuff and it's being a lot of fun so far

[Ephemeral]

uh, not sure why those quotes were there again lol

[Mischief]

Because there's just ... nothing despite the way a Mischief/Lan wolf team would absolutely require something with how day 1 played out. Mischief and Lan were both rather vocal points of the thread a different parts of the day and received a decent amount of pressure. Rask and Dya went at Lan. Lan went at you and Ephemeral. Mischief went after Rask and you. You, Rask, and Taffy went at Mischief. If that's the wolf team how can they never defend each other or start to press each other? They are never, ever sweeping here with that day 1 pressure on both in a vig game and need to do * something *. I can see arguments if they started defending each other: they were under so much pressure they needed to try and sway consensus away. I can see arguments if they had pointed discussions with each other: they needed to look good once one flipped. They have nothing. At no point did they try to help, did they try to distance, did they have any foresight into future days. If that's the team, what are they doing?

The part about never pushing each other is more accurate for me than defending.
I tend not to defend scum partners in most cases, but I do definitely push them.
Lantana would have been in my nulls in my POE, where I would express some suspicion of them but not enough to get them wagoned.
If a wagon did start to form, though, I would place a vote there in case a bus is necessary.
In my most recent wolf game, 1/3 partners were placed in my villa reads, because they were universally villa read, one was placed as a wolf read, one was null-scum on my list.
I bussed the one in my wolf reads, and in F5 cased the hell out of my partner and a LHF villager that had some partner equity with him, to give the impression that they were the last two wolves, then directed the vote toward the villager to win it.
No one believed that I could be scum with anyone.

[Visor]

Alright better check this wagon again if people will actually listen to me lol

re your post eph: theres no real follow up by either mischief or lantana after that

i found this post weird - they made multiple posts saying eph is a good wagon and then posting this is just weird

mischief then goes on to vote you

[Visor]

on a more important note

I decided to seriously get into chess a few days ago, been really slow because of rl stuff but I'm getting there w/r/t learning the basic stuff and it's being a lot of fun so far

if you want to play infinite time correspondence games with a chess noob hmu after the game

[Visor]

The part about never pushing each other is more accurate for me than defending.
I tend not to defend scum partners in most cases, but I do definitely push them.
Lantana would have been in my nulls in my POE, where I would express some suspicion of them but not enough to get them wagoned.
If a wagon did start to form, though, I would place a vote there in case a bus is necessary.
In my most recent wolf game, 1/3 partners were placed in my villa reads, because they were universally villa read, one was placed as a wolf read, one was null-scum on my list.
I bussed the one in my wolf reads, and in F5 cased the hell out of my partner and a LHF villager that had some partner equity with him, to give the impression that they were the last two wolves, then directed the vote toward the villager to win it.
No one believed that I could be scum with anyone.

so wheres your head at rn?

can i get some sort of ordered list?

[Mischief]

nobody wolfread dya iirc
if dya is correct, wolves are just ender/lantana

ender/mischief/insom are my poe

re mischief and lantana interaction sunbae: it didn't feel to me like there was any real attempt by lantana or mischief to engage with each other. michief had the entry that taffy and i commented on but lantana didnt, (even though lantana saw the posts because they commented on me after that iirc), and the question lantana asked mischief is something that could easily be w/w in that its a very simple fake interaction thingo

the light townread stuff but also never interacting seems weird to me on both ends

For me, a light townread means "I don't have much to substantiate this, or have a strong belief in the accuracy of this, but have a leaning in this direction".
I thought their earlier posts were tonally lightly villagery.
That said, there are always plenty of posts that I really don't have many thoughts on, or anything to contribute.
E.g. Sunbae's analyses above, I think are good overall.
I have nothing really to contribute there, though.
I have no critiques, no confusion, and mere acknowledgement contributes nothing.
If I see something that is wrong, that seems to have an agenda, or bothers me in any way, I am more likely to pursue that.
In the case of Lantana, there wasn't any specific post that hit my radar, overall, but any time anyone asks me a question, I will answer that to the best of my ability.

Even IRL, I'm not an enormously chatty person, unless there is something to work with.
I tend not to start conversations unless I have something in mind to talk about.
The same principle more or less applies in Mafia as well.

[Ephemeral]

re your post eph: theres no real follow up by either mischief or lantana after that

i found this post weird - they made multiple posts saying eph is a good wagon and then posting this is just weird

mischief then goes on to vote you

Aye, it was easy to read into it as far as "either side is being opportunistic" but it feels really strange as a w/w interaction

lolme if i'm overthinking a very simplistic scenario again but atm I'm just vacillating on it hard

[Ephemeral]

if you want to play infinite time correspondence games with a chess noob hmu after the game

Not sure if I even qualify as a noob yet but yeah I'd be down to

[Visor]

mate if you are a villa you gotta help me get there on you

i need to see some solving from you, i need to see you trying to actively work out who the wolf is, most of your posts this phase have been responses or explanations about yourself but i need to see you figuring out the last wolf

er actually all of your posts fit that bill - all of your posts today are about explaining your behaviour. who is the last wolf?

[Visor]

Aye, it was easy to read into it as far as "either side is being opportunistic" but it feels really strange as a w/w interaction

lolme if i'm overthinking a very simplistic scenario again but atm I'm just vacillating on it hard

fair enough

if not mischief, then who

insom? ender? sunbae?

[Ephemeral]

fair enough

if not mischief, then who

insom? ender? sunbae?

insom is currently sitting in the void for me, I can see him fitting with lantana but I'm gonna have to reread the two to make sure I'm not missing smth there

sunbae I think is a villager

ender I've mellowed out on a little bit since yesterday, though that's mostly a byproduct of the stuff between lan/mischief that's been hoarding my attention

[Mischief]

so wheres your head at rn?

can i get some sort of ordered list?

Mischief: Me
Sunbae: Easily the most villagery person in the game from my perspective. A voice of reason in the thread, but further, if they were a wolf they are playing in a way that is somewhat contrary to how a wolf would typically play.
They are dissolving tensions rather than capitalising off of them.
Raskolnikov: I don't see a world where Rask/Lantana are wolves together. I also thought Rask responded fairly well when I was pushing him, enough that I did not feel like voting there would yield a wolf. At this point, I'd say he's a villager.
Visor: You have certainly been a point of frustration at some points, I will admit.
Ephemeral: I don't really have a lot of thoughts on this slot, but them being a wagon that was started at EOD (which I am aware that I voted on), which Lantana was at the front of, makes them an unlikely wolf flip.
I understand that my writing is stiff, you and quite a few others across any number of games have said so.
It is thoroughly NAI for me.
I was also a little bothered by the fact in your push you mention me not interacting with someone on page 1, when I wasn't even around for the majority of page 1. Again, I'm not bothered by accurate pushes. If there is something that looks bad for me and someone calls that out, that is 100% fair. What is not fair, is to make a case that can be recontextualised as this "I think you worked with the murderer because you had not contact with them while you were on holiday in Jamaica".
Surely you can understand my incredulity at that?
It would be one thing if someone said "the murderer used a Glock, and we see you own one", which would be an understandable suspicion to have.
Aside from the pushes that on NAI things, or arguments with an absurd foundation, I think it is less likely that you and Lantana are W/W from your interactions, Dya V read you, Sunbae V reads you, and I V read them and know that they read you better than I. So everything mentioned above is simply to contextualise why although I logically see you as a probable villager, I do so in spite of a plethora of things that have bothered me, that would lead to me tunneling you if not for the fact I understand that you may not know what IS alignment indicative for me. (If that sounds hostile at all, also know that I still respect you as both a person and a player, even if I felt a little tilted about some some things)
EnderWiggin: I have had a difficult time really getting a proper read on this slot. It's here because of POE.
insomnia: Looks worst overall from the flip/interactions.

Nothing that really goes against the consensus, but that's where I'm at.

[Mischief]

Mischief: Me
Sunbae: Easily the most villagery person in the game from my perspective. A voice of reason in the thread, but further, if they were a wolf they are playing in a way that is somewhat contrary to how a wolf would typically play.
They are dissolving tensions rather than capitalising off of them.
Raskolnikov: I don't see a world where Rask/Lantana are wolves together. I also thought Rask responded fairly well when I was pushing him, enough that I did not feel like voting there would yield a wolf. At this point, I'd say he's a villager.
Ephemeral: I don't really have a lot of thoughts on this slot, but them being a wagon that was started at EOD (which I am aware that I voted on), which Lantana was at the front of, makes them an unlikely wolf flip.
Visor: You have certainly been a point of frustration at some points, I will admit.
I understand that my writing is stiff, you and quite a few others across any number of games have said so.
It is thoroughly NAI for me.
I was also a little bothered by the fact in your push you mention me not interacting with someone on page 1, when I wasn't even around for the majority of page 1. Again, I'm not bothered by accurate pushes. If there is something that looks bad for me and someone calls that out, that is 100% fair. What is not fair, is to make a case that can be recontextualised as this "I think you worked with the murderer because you had not contact with them while you were on holiday in Jamaica".
Surely you can understand my incredulity at that?
It would be one thing if someone said "the murderer used a Glock, and we see you own one", which would be an understandable suspicion to have.
Aside from the pushes that on NAI things, or arguments with an absurd foundation, I think it is less likely that you and Lantana are W/W from your interactions, Dya V read you, Sunbae V reads you, and I V read them and know that they read you better than I. So everything mentioned above is simply to contextualise why although I logically see you as a probable villager, I do so in spite of a plethora of things that have bothered me, that would lead to me tunneling you if not for the fact I understand that you may not know what IS alignment indicative for me. (If that sounds hostile at all, also know that I still respect you as both a person and a player, even if I felt a little tilted about some some things)
EnderWiggin: I have had a difficult time really getting a proper read on this slot. It's here because of POE.
insomnia: Looks worst overall from the flip/interactions.

Nothing that really goes against the consensus, but that's where I'm at.

Ebwop, the Ephemeral section got pushed into the middle of the Visor section for some reason.