Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]

[insomnia]

You still haven’t described why exactly i look bad off “flips / interactions”

Can you give some examples where you felt like i was w/w with lant?

[insomnia]

Alr so im gonna claim vigi

If i am not the vigi then he should give me a day for obvious reasons

If i am vigi im gonna give myself a day

solve as though i am a villager please.

[insomnia]

vote: mischief

placeholder until he elaborates. likely i'll change it later

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #519

4 Mischief (Visor, EnderWiggin, Ephemeral, insomnia)
3 insomnia (Mischief, Sunbae, Raskolnikov)

Day 2 ends in

[Mischief]

V0te: Ender

No counterclaim as of yet, Insom will get vigged if lying.

[Sunbae]

Insomnia,

I acknowledge your claim, but I think you're lying. I will not rocks fall this one though and will play ball because we're in a position to do that and it's mechanically the abc correct move.

Who do you think is a wolf? You're voting Mischief as a placeholder, think voting to save you is a good look, and have stated you're voting there because "the options" are Ender and Mischief and you town read Ender for their play near eod yesterday. If you ignored everything and just said "I'm voting my best wolf read" who would it be and why?


Vote: Ender

I don't have a strong reason to wolf read here but I have strong reasons to villa read everyone else. I think this is most likely a villager and it's Insomnia, especially after the claim, but if Insomnia is the vig then I think it has to be here. If it is the answer, I guess the early poking votes between Lan/Ender ("wolfiest slot so far" early) and the "I might vote you at eod" but never doing so was just distancing, but it's a very weird end of day by Lan to defend Insomnia hard/not defend Ender and being so hectic on Ephem. I can't say I really understand it if so.

As for Mischief, I think the reasons to wolf read there are just kind of not good. I think it's the product of momentum in the sense that it was an early wolf read that's just kind of stuck with people. You had the early "abe simpson" thing which I think can be explained by it being a new site, the push on Visor early which I think was weird for people on the outside but makes sense if you think Mischief believes Visor has better meta on him (I also think pushes of "this person should know me better than to think I'm being wolfy" are just kinda towny in general?), and the way Mischief grumbled about it once multiple people told him that's unreasonable also makes sense. So you had a first half of day 1 where people just kinda locked in "yeah thats weird" in the back of their mind and went about their day and now that there's one wolf left it's "well maybe it's the weird thing I remember". I don't think the lack of interaction with Lan is wolfy despite multiple others thinking so. The way the day played out I think they just *have* to do something if paired together. I don't think "you didn't explain in detail why my interactions look bad" is a reasonable case (I'm a bit miffed that this was said while ignoring my effort to showcase it). I just think from my experience that this is a villager being piled on today for things that aren't wolfy because the answer is obvious and we're trying to poke around in worlds in which it's not.

[Sunbae]

Visor,

I think this is a moon in spec game situation

[Ephemeral]

Insomnia,

I acknowledge your claim, but I think you're lying. I will not rocks fall this one though and will play ball because we're in a position to do that and it's mechanically the abc correct move.

Who do you think is a wolf? You're voting Mischief as a placeholder, think voting to save you is a good look, and have stated you're voting there because "the options" are Ender and Mischief and you town read Ender for their play near eod yesterday. If you ignored everything and just said "I'm voting my best wolf read" who would it be and why?


Vote: Ender

I don't have a strong reason to wolf read here but I have strong reasons to villa read everyone else. I think this is most likely a villager and it's Insomnia, especially after the claim, but if Insomnia is the vig then I think it has to be here. If it is the answer, I guess the early poking votes between Lan/Ender ("wolfiest slot so far" early) and the "I might vote you at eod" but never doing so was just distancing, but it's a very weird end of day by Lan to defend Insomnia hard/not defend Ender and being so hectic on Ephem. I can't say I really understand it if so.

As for Mischief, I think the reasons to wolf read there are just kind of not good. I think it's the product of momentum in the sense that it was an early wolf read that's just kind of stuck with people. You had the early "abe simpson" thing which I think can be explained by it being a new site, the push on Visor early which I think was weird for people on the outside but makes sense if you think Mischief believes Visor has better meta on him (I also think pushes of "this person should know me better than to think I'm being wolfy" are just kinda towny in general?), and the way Mischief grumbled about it once multiple people told him that's unreasonable also makes sense. So you had a first half of day 1 where people just kinda locked in "yeah thats weird" in the back of their mind and went about their day and now that there's one wolf left it's "well maybe it's the weird thing I remember". I don't think the lack of interaction with Lan is wolfy despite multiple others thinking so. The way the day played out I think they just *have* to do something if paired together. I don't think "you didn't explain in detail why my interactions look bad" is a reasonable case (I'm a bit miffed that this was said while ignoring my effort to showcase it). I just think from my experience that this is a villager being piled on today for things that aren't wolfy because the answer is obvious and we're trying to poke around in worlds in which it's not.

by the gods only to vote him at the last second

[Sunbae]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

as an aside, im just not feeeeeeling solving from mischief in terms of investigative stuff

like he defends himself from me, but hes not exploring where he wants to kill etc

My experience with Mischief is that he's a lot more reserved on where to kill as a villager and finds spots he likes, goes in on them, and if they dont pan out takes a while to reorient himself. As a wolf he flings votes around a fair bit more with little rhyme or reason. I understand what you're saying and why you're concerned but I'm going to tell you the same thing I told him when he was concerned about you: I think you're misguided here for understandable reasons.

I'm ... trying to do better about that thing I do where I feel good about something and then kinda just put it out into the thread instead of working hard to help others see it too. I'm also thinking that - while I'm hoping this is the easy world and I nabbed a really good case and solved the game - there is a possibility that we live in a hard world (like Rask currently doesn't think it's either of my bottom 2) and if we do *that* is the kill the wolves absolutely need and I'm going to try and vocalize my belief that it's not it and prevent it.

I definitely agree on the zero consideration from either side. Do you think I'm just like, overestimating the amount of foresight wolves should be having here?

I think it's possible that the wolves aren't planning with foresight and intend to just play by ear, which means doing whatever to survive today, hope you're alive tomorrow.

Some wolves do act with foresight and it's possible here, I'm just wary of banking on it

Official Tally as of #519

4 Mischief (Visor, EnderWiggin, Ephemeral, insomnia)
3 insomnia (Mischief, Sunbae, Raskolnikov)

Day 2 ends in

part 2

[Raskolnikov]

V0te: Ender

No counterclaim as of yet, Insom will get vigged if lying.

"No counterclaim as of yet, Insom will get vigged if lying." I am just trying to figure out if a vanillager says that. I can see a wolf posting this in case insom is actually vanilla town lol but I prolly should go to bed rn since I can't think lol. but but EOD is within few minutes!

[Mischief]

vote: mischief

placeholder until he elaborates. likely i'll change it later

Just vote me then.
I have therapy soon, and if I were to collect the quotes you'd just say "these are the same quotes others are using", at which point it would be little more than an exercise in tedium.

[Raskolnikov]

Alr so im gonna claim vigi

If i am not the vigi then he should give me a day for obvious reasons

If i am vigi im gonna give myself a day

solve as though i am a villager please.

tbh lettuce us chop this claim lol. who claims and follow up with "if I am not the vig, he should give me a day for blabla"? a wolf hoping to hero shoot the real vig tonight? (I don't really see a vanillager make that claim? maybe?)

what am I missing here?

[Visor]

tbh lettuce us chop this claim lol. who claims and follow up with "if I am not the vig, he should give me a day for blabla"? a wolf hoping to hero shoot the real vig tonight? (I don't really see a vanillager make that claim? maybe?)

what am I missing here?

So in the world he is the big, he maybe survives tonight and we get a f4 with vig alive which is good for win percentage

In the world he is the wolf he just does tonight so it doesn't matter

In the world he is a vanillagrr he dies tonight, maybe from big, maybe from wolf

[Visor]

vote: ender

[Raskolnikov]

vote: ender

You think BLade comes in D2 without trying like that? (I may be uncharitable here, wouldn't be the first time, but I just remember openwolfing from him today)

(I think you will reply, yeet wolfy players)

[Visor]

You think BLade comes in D2 without trying like that? (I may be uncharitable here, wouldn't be the first time, but I just remember openwolfing from him today)

(I think you will reply, yeet wolfy players)

My options are: blade, who is actively shitposting

Mischief, who sunbae has moved heaven and earth to defend

Ephemeral: who got pushed a but by Lan but hasn't really been super villagery

Idkmybffjill

[Raskolnikov]

part of me just wants to sheep Visor here. the other one wants me to be right D1 and yeet Mischief lol. Might vote Ender and just blame Visor if he flips villa. Seems a good plan

[Raskolnikov]

ok let's go

vote: Ender