Casual 9er Game Thread

[Sunbae]

Vote: Hally

[Visor]

Players Votes

Sunbae 2 (Vulgard, El Barto)
Zack 1 (EnderWiggin)
El Barto 1 (Hally)
Montmorency 1 (nebjiamn)
Hally 1 (Sunbae)
Raskolnikov 1 (Zack)

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Hally

Was your w read on me and Zack real or just a meme continuation?

[Sunbae]

Was your w read on me and Zack real or just a meme continuation?

It's something I've been considering based on the way this game has played out + the two of your interactions with me but I still tried to frame in a fun way. Like the spongebob meme is me basically saying "the idea of them potentially being w/w is driven by their over the top manner of calling themselves w/w being how i think they'd actually do that if they randed w/w, how you'd kinda poke fun at me for not getting to be in the cool wolfchat with you, and how you'd defend each other if so" but instead of long words its spongebob pointing at your posts im talking about.

but its not like, THESE TWO ARE w/w EVERYONE ELSE OBVIOUS VILLAGERS its just a piece of the puzzle im looking at/exploring

[Sunbae]

I think the vulgard interaction was a softball to just look like they were trying to figure out vulgards alignment and backed off as soon as that checkbox was checked

i think their entire take on me - from initial push, to holding firm in their read on me for things they were calling others villagers for, to backing off because "im calling strong players wolfy" while also hedging on it like "or maybe its some 500iq strategy to get the thread to think he's wolfy, push strong villagers, and get us all to think he's villagery because a wolf wouldnt do that!" - just isn't someone who is wondering if good friend sunbae randed wolf or not and is instead someone that wants to just ride the momentum on me.

i think their posts are also projecting wolfy mindframes that seep into post when wolfing (either because it's what they are doing or because they think it's villagery to be saying that even when its not)

[nebjiamn]

I think the vulgard interaction was a softball to just look like they were trying to figure out vulgards alignment and backed off as soon as that checkbox was checked

i think their entire take on me - from initial push, to holding firm in their read on me for things they were calling others villagers for, to backing off because "im calling strong players wolfy" while also hedging on it like "or maybe its some 500iq strategy to get the thread to think he's wolfy, push strong villagers, and get us all to think he's villagery because a wolf wouldnt do that!" - just isn't someone who is wondering if good friend sunbae randed wolf or not and is instead someone that wants to just ride the momentum on me.

i think their posts are also projecting wolfy mindframes that seep into post when wolfing (either because it's what they are doing or because they think it's villagery to be saying that even when its not)

This is about hally right

[Sunbae]

This is about hally right

ya (i have to add a third character because "ya" doesnt have enough to be posted)

[Hally]

I think the vulgard interaction was a softball to just look like they were trying to figure out vulgards alignment and backed off as soon as that checkbox was checked

i mean, what am i supposed to do when i ask someone a few basic questions and they straight up don’t know how to answer any of them? again, it just didn’t seem productive to keep hounding him at that moment

i think their entire take on me - from initial push, to holding firm in their read on me for things they were calling others villagers for, to backing off because "im calling strong players wolfy" while also hedging on it like "or maybe its some 500iq strategy to get the thread to think he's wolfy, push strong villagers, and get us all to think he's villagery because a wolf wouldnt do that!" - just isn't someone who is wondering if good friend sunbae randed wolf or not and is instead someone that wants to just ride the momentum on me.

i think you interpret the bolded as being more serious than it was and want to make it clear i’m currently leaning v on you

also, i was the first person to give any sort of town read on you and stop the momentum going against you. me making that post about how your approach seemed weird as a wolf is what prompted people to talk about other things, so if anything i did the opposite of riding it out.

i think their posts are also projecting wolfy mindframes that seep into post when wolfing (either because it's what they are doing or because they think it's villagery to be saying that even when its not)

idk what this is referring to

[Sunbae]

i mean, what am i supposed to do when i ask someone a few basic questions and they straight up don’t know how to answer any of them? again, it just didn’t seem productive to keep hounding him at that moment


i think you interpret the bolded as being more serious than it was and want to make it clear i’m currently leaning v on you

also, i was the first person to give any sort of town read on you and stop the momentum going against you. me making that post about how your approach seemed weird as a wolf is what prompted people to talk about other things, so if anything i did the opposite of riding it out.


idk what this is referring to

1. but like, thats the thing right? "they dont know how to answer it so I dont want to hound" is totally fine. I get that. But you actively switched from a vote to a villa read off of it. That's *why* I don't think you were actually caring about the alignment. I looked at that interaction and thought "hally doesn't care about Vulgard's alignment, they knew they were unvoting at the start of that line of questioning".

2. Note on that being a joke, I did take it seriously

3. That's kind of like the whole "viewing people in terms of pushable vs not as the basis for the reads you're making" thing. Like I'm not sitting here breaking people into pushable or not categories, im just trying to figure out who is being wolfy or villagery. But you've got multiple instances where the lhf/pushability of people is at the forefront of your reads and i think its entirely possible its a mindstate issue where you *are* breaking people into that because you're trying to position yourself properly in the macro sense and it just bleeds through as logic for your other reads (like the one on me!).

[Hally]

1. but like, thats the thing right? "they dont know how to answer it so I dont want to hound" is totally fine. I get that. But you actively switched from a vote to a villa read off of it. That's *why* I don't think you were actually caring about the alignment. I looked at that interaction and thought "hally doesn't care about Vulgard's alignment, they knew they were unvoting at the start of that line of questioning".

i don’t know why you assume i knew i was unvoting him? i was actually surprised he responded the way he did and thought it was less likely to come from him as wolf because i remember him being a really good wolf who was able to fake good explanations for stuff, so i felt it would be an odd choice for w!him to completely punt on answering simple questions instead of trying to win me over by answering them

it’s not an ironclad read or anything but it gave me enough pause to feel it wasn’t worth pursuing more at that moment

2. Note on that being a joke, I did take it seriously

it wasn’t entirely a joke or entirely serious, more like half serious

3. That's kind of like the whole "viewing people in terms of pushable vs not as the basis for the reads you're making" thing. Like I'm not sitting here breaking people into pushable or not categories, im just trying to figure out who is being wolfy or villagery. But you've got multiple instances where the lhf/pushability of people is at the forefront of your reads and i think its entirely possible its a mindstate issue where you *are* breaking people into that because you're trying to position yourself properly in the macro sense and it just bleeds through as logic for your other reads (like the one on me!).

you really don’t sort people like that as a villager? i do it all the time because i feel like evaluating whether someone is making easy or hard pushes helps me see possible motivation or agenda behind their posts. for example, i think pushing on strong players early on is generally a pretty reliable town tell (just recently in the thing game on MU i used it to correctly clear three villagers D1). it’s obviously player dependent but generally i think it works pretty well and have seen others use it also (i know ladd does for example).

and on the flip side, you saw zack vote me for “shading” monty early on because he views monty as an easy push so he was wary of my focus there. it was the first thing i found villagery about zack, though not sure i said it. i make reads like that all the time i.e. “so and so seems like mislunch bait and it’s wolfy that X is going after them.”

so i dunno, i understand what you’re saying but i think it’s something villagers do a lot and i personally find it helpful

[Zack]

Vote: Hally

if at first you don't succeed, try try again?

[Sunbae]

if at first you don't succeed, try try again?

Hallys posts are poo poo imo

[Zack]

re: the benneh/me thing I don't quite get your fixation on it, wasn't it just a few jokes from the first hour or so of the game? you even made a spongebob meme about iirc

Hallys posts are poo poo imo

what type on the bristol stool chart?

is there something specific you think's being overlooked?

[Sunbae]

re: the benneh/me thing I don't quite get your fixation on it, wasn't it just a few jokes from the first hour or so of the game? you even made a spongebob meme about iirc



what type on the bristol stool chart?

is there something specific you think's being overlooked?

I uh,

ok so like when I village i kinda do this sometimes where i have like 40 different threads going on in my mind and they are all like progressions from point a to point b and if thats true then point c but it could also be point d and if those are accurate then e/f/g could be true blah blah blah. And the only thing that makes it to the thread are points A/E/H and it looks like a bunch of jumbled nonsense that people don't understand and just look at me like "tf?"

its not *every time* or anything (sometimes im better at organizing than other times) but i think this game is probably really, really far gone on that thing and thats on me

[Sunbae]

So I'll try to organize it better:

With you, I saw you wolf read Hally. I had independently wolf read Hally. I thought "Oh, this is a good time to vibe with Zack" and asked if you wanted to talk about your stuff to see if we were noticing the same things. You brushed it off and I went ahead and gave my takes. That was the extend of our interaction there and I made a mental note of it. We've bounced ideas off each other before but that doesn't necessarily mean much.

Later, Benneh expressed a wolf read on me for memeing too long and followed it up with a villa read on you. I made the mental note of this too because, well, wolfreading me for memeing is a bit odd. I recognized that the thread consensus on me was kind of unhappy with my posting so far and there were quite a few people that expressed suspicions on me. So seeing specifically you and benneh not really doing much to try and work/vibe/clearup with me in that game state made me say "huh, that's odd. Wonder why". I looked at Benneh's defense of you - specifically for me trying to pocket you - and wondered if it could be a thing where you randed wolves together. That would explain neither of you wanting to really do anything about people wolf reading me (especially people that might not know me and not know im a bit of a goofy dumb dumb!) and the defenses. Then I looked at the opening section of yall hamming it up about randing w/w and getting the notification early/how great it was in there and thought that's how you two might handle randing wolves together (just having a lot of fun with it). So I expressed the possibility that you/benneh could be w/w because a lot of different things could line up that way.

But it's not my only concerns or threads. I also talked about not really liking Vulgard's drop in that read like a perfect spot for a wolf to drop a vote on me. I talked about not liking Hally's approach to Vulgard and how that interaction set off my spidey senses. I talked about Barto's posts towards me and not knowing what to make of them. Or Rask's inactivity and whether it's wolf indicative.

So like, what reaches the thread is this jumbled mess of "benneh/zack w/w! vulgard w! hally vulgard w/w!" but like, in my head it all makes sense because I know how I got to all of these points. Maybe that can like, clear things up a bit.

[Zack]

So I'll try to organize it better:

With you, I saw you wolf read Hally. I had independently wolf read Hally. I thought "Oh, this is a good time to vibe with Zack" and asked if you wanted to talk about your stuff to see if we were noticing the same things. You brushed it off and I went ahead and gave my takes. That was the extend of our interaction there and I made a mental note of it. We've bounced ideas off each other before but that doesn't necessarily mean much.

Later, Benneh expressed a wolf read on me for memeing too long and followed it up with a villa read on you. I made the mental note of this too because, well, wolfreading me for memeing is a bit odd. I recognized that the thread consensus on me was kind of unhappy with my posting so far and there were quite a few people that expressed suspicions on me. So seeing specifically you and benneh not really doing much to try and work/vibe/clearup with me in that game state made me say "huh, that's odd. Wonder why". I looked at Benneh's defense of you - specifically for me trying to pocket you - and wondered if it could be a thing where you randed wolves together. That would explain neither of you wanting to really do anything about people wolf reading me (especially people that might not know me and not know im a bit of a goofy dumb dumb!) and the defenses. Then I looked at the opening section of yall hamming it up about randing w/w and getting the notification early/how great it was in there and thought that's how you two might handle randing wolves together (just having a lot of fun with it). So I expressed the possibility that you/benneh could be w/w because a lot of different things could line up that way.

But it's not my only concerns or threads. I also talked about not really liking Vulgard's drop in that read like a perfect spot for a wolf to drop a vote on me. I talked about not liking Hally's approach to Vulgard and how that interaction set off my spidey senses. I talked about Barto's posts towards me and not knowing what to make of them. Or Rask's inactivity and whether it's wolf indicative.

So like, what reaches the thread is this jumbled mess of "benneh/zack w/w! vulgard w! hally vulgard w/w!" but like, in my head it all makes sense because I know how I got to all of these points. Maybe that can like, clear things up a bit.

ah sorry didn't mean to brush you off, I just didn't want to guess your reason for wolfreading hally and give a mistaken impression that I believed they were wolfy when internally I'd moved on and didn't want to push there anymore (or give you the answers to the test to use if you were bullshitting / trying to pocket me etc).

fair enough, thanks for the breakdown. I've intentionally been trying to give you some space to work and not jump down your throat despite some concern after uh, mislunching you d1 in the last mountainous 9er we played and feeling really bad about it

[Sunbae]

if at first you don't succeed, try try again?

giving me shit for voting hally again

[Sunbae]

My big time big brain thought after seeing Zack, Hally, and Ender all start clearing me in a row is that I was about to be the night kill and they gave up on pushing me (considering I know 100% there is at least 1 wolf in that group) only for Rask to come in and do something to jump over me.

[Hally]

Vote: Hally

what is your issue with me?

you keep voting me and wolf reading me without even trying to engage me at all and i feel like i’ve made myself pretty findable here so idk why you keep going back to this

is there anything i can address or clear up at all?

[Sunbae]

what is your issue with me?

you keep voting me and wolf reading me without even trying to engage me at all and i feel like i’ve made myself pretty findable here so idk why you keep going back to this

is there anything i can address or clear up at all?

i dont have an issue with you?

i just am playing werewoofs and dont think you're a villager so far

[Hally]

i dont have an issue with you?

i just am playing werewoofs and dont think you're a villager so far

i meant your issue with my posts, not me personally