Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae View Post
I think my concern of hally/vulgard can be put to bed after this latest stint. Think Vulgard's posts towards Hally and the response of calling said posts dogshit are not how I recall wolf hally interacting with partners (either moon nor lan from the one game nor esooa from the org game).

Neb, can we take a few minutes to try and pow wow about Hally here? I'm gonna have to make my call somewhat quickly. I had briefly mentioned my thoughts on "woof mindset" settling into their perspective but to flesh that out a bit more I thought Hally pushing me out of the gate and then turning around and calling me villagery for pushing "strong players" was another example of this where I considered Hally thinking "oh i'll push sunbae and itll be villagery cause what wolf would do that" and then having that frame of mind slip through in the reverse when it became clear that I was going to kick and scream about it/be difficult. It's popped up again with the "rask wouldn't push the top poster" mindset here, but I'm wondering if this track holds water.

I admit to being a bit uncertain after this last stint because along with their posting towards Vulgard I also detect some real sounding frustration. Might be just "caught for bad reasons" but it's enough for me to try and get some other heads in on the topic. You've seemed to waver back and forth on Hallyv and Hallyw throughout the day so where's your head at currently?
i think i've been really good with all of hally's posting up until the recent unaligned with you thing. the only thing giving me doubts (and im not sure if this has seeped in thru my posting or not?) through the day has been several people, including you, pushing there to the point where its obviously not just wolves so i wonder what the villagers whoa re posting those things are seeing that i'm not because i feel obligated to factor in their thought processes

but i think your view on hally's turnaround is a bit... simplistic? its not cause you were pushing *strong players*, afaict, it was because you were wading into heavy waters when a clear path over a bridge was available and there was doubt on why you would choose that path as a wolf since it only serves to make yours and your partners d1 harder if wolf

ignoring the whole part about WIFOMing because that is actually what ended up clearing you, but c'est la vie and all, but i think if you look at it from that lens you can maybe see my perspective on it in that hally (and me and zack) are not interested in pushing you any longer because its just holistically not a great play.