Casual 9er Game Thread

[Sunbae]

yes

[Sunbae]

the day i prewrite a wall is the day i want you to forcibly stop me from playing

[Hally]

oh i didn?t realize the flip was posted 20 min early and just saw the :06 timestamp on the first wall and was at you writing all that in 6 minutes

[Sunbae]

[Zack]

oh i didn?t realize the flip was posted 20 min early and just saw the :06 timestamp on the first wall and was at you writing all that in 6 minutes

where you at hally?

[Zack]

Yeah, he must have been bored, son of a gun. We're in a hard place. Villains must be between Zack-Hally-Sunbae after all, but it's too complicated to say who the false positive is.

We have to be unified in the vote.

can you explain your worldview to me?

[Zack]

eating an entire pizza, will type up some stuff when I'm done

[Hally]

where you at hally?

eating dinner

i have some nebulous thoughts but i need to reread to solidify them and that’s not gonna happen tonight cuz i’m too tired

[Zack]

eating dinner

i have some nebulous thoughts but i need to reread to solidify them and that’s not gonna happen tonight cuz i’m too tired

I was just oging to post my nebulous thoughts and re-read later

[Zack]

thats my legacy:

Barto wolf -> mont -> if game not over neb

@Sunbae I know you said you weren't gonna be around much or paying attention to today's posts but can you walk me through this thought process when you have a chance? if anything at the time I was thinking monty and benneh were among the least likely barto partners

[Zack]

in the moment during EOD my read on monty almost entirely flipped. I thought he made some solid posts, and when the wagons were me/him he tried to get me+others to move onto barto instead of trying to bury me, which I figured pointed to him being genuinely suspicious of barto and wanting to flip him. overnight I was thinking about what the game would look like if Monty was a villager, and I'm pretty sure it was one where the wolves were complacent d2 and not overly concerned which of barto/me/monty died. benneh didn't strike me as complacent and he made some good posts (insert grumbling about some of his conclusions re: me ) I thought. Sunbae has kinda been in his corner doing his own thing all game, I know he is a good wolf and capable of convincing fake thoughts, but I'm not really seeing it and "his posts are fine, but he's a good wolf!" ain't doin it for me, that's not good enough. Also kinda pocketed by how he came in to vote Barto (p sure if he was a wolf he'd have just stayed away and hoped I managed to go over instead) and seemed pretty serious about the legacy post even if I'm not sure how he got there.

Which left hally/ender, which I think makes sense in a lot of ways. Obvious reason to kill rask (dunno about benneh, havent looked into that yet), especially since iirc after I mentioned my reading of that rask post - the one where he was like "I'll have words with ender if vulgard is town" - as being more of a "I still think he's town but I'll scold him for saving Hally who I think is a wolf," hally reacted like they hadn't considered it from that angle. So maybe they misinterpreted it (or correctly interpreted it and I'm wrong lol) as a burgeoning wolfread on ender after vulgard flipped, and obviously Rask was telegraphing an incoming Hally tunnel. Primo kill target. Hally makes a billion posts about how the kill makes no sense and not coming to any real conclusion about it that I recall, they both top town Sunbae to pocket him and try to shut down his d1 suspicion of Hally from resurfacing, Ender announces a no blast zone and lumps Hally with two villas (strong villa sunbae who no one really suspected anymore and was posting well, and Barto who was likely ml bait) and throws sus on me based on a vibe tell and claiming I had no clear stances d1 (which seemed clearly untrue fmpov and possibly even designed to bait me into bringing up how I defended hally and pushed for vulgard again, though that's maybe a bit tinfoily). Sorry for rambling, I think there was more to it which seemed obviously brilliant at the time but that was the main gist.

BUT



I almost immediately started doubting this when I saw Monty's nothing burger of an SOD post where he still hasn't really explained why he thinks the wolves are in that group then peacing out (and agree with hally that not mentioning ender was odd). Made me wonder if I misread Monty's EOD and got carried away focusing on the Rask nk pointing at Hally, when in theory I think ender/monty makes sense? And I have a sinking feeling that bladescape is wolfin' and just got cleared for bad reasons for doing something that is not really that difficult to do as a wolf. Maybe this team was worried about the me/sunbae/benneh squad finding each other in f5 and forming a voting bloc and decided to break it up - I was under too much suspicion to be killed, Sunbae didn't have as much threadpull as benneh (who does) and was possibly likelier to get distracted going after hally again? idk, have to go soon and won't be able to seriously post for awhile after but wanted to get this out there first (though I was hoping hally/monty would respond to my questions first to avoid letting them tailor their answers to what I posted but w/e)

also I touched on sunbae/hally as a possibility a bit yesterday and came away thinking it didn't make a ton of sense despite some things giving me pause. It's still a possibility for how they ended up not really threatening each other at all when it mattered and eventually moved to seemingly confident townreads on the other, I guess, but I don't think this is a winnable game state fmpov even if it is true so long hair dont care for now

[Zack]

also one more important thing I want to say before I go, one sec

[Zack]

Zack is townbronana from the syndicate
You know I'm town right?ZACK = VILLAGER
sponge my reads


plz no bully


ZACK IS TOWN DONT MISYEET HIM

[Zack]

cya friday

[Hally]

Which left hally/ender, which I think makes sense in a lot of ways. Obvious reason to kill rask (dunno about benneh, havent looked into that yet), especially since iirc after I mentioned my reading of that rask post - the one where he was like "I'll have words with ender if vulgard is town" - as being more of a "I still think he's town but I'll scold him for saving Hally who I think is a wolf," hally reacted like they hadn't considered it from that angle. So maybe they misinterpreted it (or correctly interpreted it and I'm wrong lol) as a burgeoning wolfread on ender after vulgard flipped, and obviously Rask was telegraphing an incoming Hally tunnel. Primo kill target. Hally makes a billion posts about how the kill makes no sense and not coming to any real conclusion about it that I recall, they both top town Sunbae to pocket him and try to shut down his d1 suspicion of Hally from resurfacing, Ender announces a no blast zone and lumps Hally with two villas (strong villa sunbae who no one really suspected anymore and was posting well, and Barto who was likely ml bait) and throws sus on me based on a vibe tell and claiming I had no clear stances d1 (which seemed clearly untrue fmpov and possibly even designed to bait me into bringing up how I defended hally and pushed for vulgard again, though that's maybe a bit tinfoily). Sorry for rambling, I think there was more to it which seemed obviously brilliant at the time but that was the main gist.

ngl the bolded is kinda hilarious as a thought

i?m just imagining myself wolfing with ender and accidentally spewing that we killed rask by misreading his post

(i?m 99% sure that if i was wolfing with ender and interpreted that post as a wolf read on him i would never draw attention both to that but it is possible that ender is a wolf who also misinterpreted the post and that?s why rask died)

[Hally]

also i object to the idea that i didn’t draw a conclusion from my NKA

i brought up over and over that it didn’t make any sense for a bart/mont team to kill rask and kept reminding people that rask was the only person all of D1 to town read bart

obviously i didn’t end up sticking with clearing bart off NKA because he was posting like… whatever that was but i did come to a correct conclusion about it and repeated it numerous times but you and sunbae poopoo’d it

[Hally]

not that i?m blaming either of you for not putting stock into it if you?re villagers but like, my conclusion was pretty plain and i said it more than once

just because nobody cared about it doesn?t mean it didn?t exist

[Hally]

also i’m not sure what you think i’d be doing as a wolf by bringing up over and over how rask wolf read me and town read bart

there’s no reason i’d have to say the NK looked good for bart / didn’t seem to make sense for a bart/mont team

i could easily have not included that part of the NKA if i was a wolf and/or not repeated it once nobody cared the first time

wifom, etc but i think my NKA was some of my villageriest posting because you can clearly see i don’t have an agenda and am just stumbling around aimlessly trying to figure shit out after something happened that didn’t make sense fmpov

[Hally]

i guess i’ll just say my preliminary thoughts are that zack/ender and sunbae/mont don’t work, and if that’s correct these pairs are left

sunbae/zack
sunbae/ender
mont/ender
mont/zack

which means that fmpov there are two difference checks and the solve is 1 of zack/ender + 1 of sunbae/mont

i realize this is not groundbreaking stuff but it’s all my brain can muster rn

tomorrow i’ll reread and double check this / see if i feel like i can rule out any other pairs / try to decide who i think is more villagery in each difference check if i feel like those hold up

[Hally]

if neither of the two pairs i ruled out are the team and i can clear just one of you i can vote the other person in your difference check

currently i’m leaning on that clear being sunbae which would make mont a wolf if i’ve got things right but even sunbae has things that give me pause so idk

gonna stop posting useless drivel now

[Sunbae]

@Sunbae I know you said you weren't gonna be around much or paying attention to today's posts but can you walk me through this thought process when you have a chance? if anything at the time I was thinking monty and benneh were among the least likely barto partners

If my worldview was correct that Mont/Barto were the wolves then yesterday was bussing day for them. I read every interaction between them at that eod and that was my legacy to say that in the event Barto flipped wolf and I died, I was telling you that the eod posts don't deter me. If that ends up being wrong, I go back to Neb/Barto interactions on day 1 where me/hally/vulgard are the wagons all day and Barto focuses on Neb with a vanity vote and think that's the answer (i talked about barto/neb interaction in my pair posts).

[Sunbae]

tfw hally and zack are both spewing me as their partners so i get lunched at f5 for being the best lunch among the 3 of us since i fit on both teams





(i am the guy with the help sign)

(and also the bubble thinking guy)

(they are the bad guys on the left)

(I have begun my reread and I will be showing my work as I work through things because I refuse to be the final kill here)

[Sunbae]

i?m kinda ??? at you wolf reading barto for that because it doesn?t seem AI?

i also don?t get how you?re jumping to the sunbae and zack pairings based on what seems like a very thin read on page 1

but maybe it?s villagery eagerness? idk lol

I am basically going to be going through this thread and try to view things from different angles/possibilities as I go. These are not my final thoughts/leans or anything until I actually say that I am drawing conclusions. Yes, in all of these "the poster could just be a villager" is assumed and not discussed. That's the prefix for the next however many posts you see.

-> This post towards mont make sense as w/w interactions? Maybe i guess? Light disagreement followed by a v read and kinda weird "idk lol" tacked onto the end. Could be an attempt to start pocketing me/zack by quick defenses.

-> This post make sense if Hally W, me/zack/mont villa? Not really I don't think. I could see so if it ended with suspicion on Mont but going for the villa read on Mont and soft defense of me/zack is just backing yourself into a corner early in a 9er.

-> This post make sense as Hally W, Zack W, me/mont villa? Maybe? Tying me/Zack together in villagery terms and then villa reading Mont trying to start a town core with us 4 or something?

[Sunbae]

guy who is infamously inscrutable and ml bait in games made a weird post and you had a bunch of posts pressing him about it and end with a hedge

Zack immediately coming at Hally a bit but I'm not so sure it means much. Defense of Mont could be a quick way to defend a teammate from a strong villager poking at them. Don't think it does anything to dismiss Hally/Zack pairings as it's dropped pretty quickly and not followed up on in either direction (Hally eventually comes at me a bit)

[Sunbae]

RP aside (barto does random stuff like that all the time so shrug) #16 just didn't make any sense as a response to sunbae afaict, rp or not. am i missing something obvious?

I was wondering if it was a forced interaction with his bro and just ended up coming out weird.

Barto/Me being v/v. turning the focus of Hally from mont to me/bart maybe?

[Sunbae]

i thought barto?s opening was weird too and was gonna vote him or ask if he was posting like he usually does but i didn?t feel like breaking up the shitposting

but i missed that he was apparently roleplaying a newbie and i feel like the weirdness can just be attributed to the roleplay coming off awkwardly, and again that doesn?t feel AI to me

i thought that post was wolfy before knowing he was role playing because yeah, it felt like a really out of place question

but i can see the awkwardness being part of the schtick? idk tbh i don?t really know how to parse it because i don?t know what?s done intentionally as part of the roleplay and what?s an actual post

like, independent of the roleplay i don?t know why a wolf would make that post because the question obviously doesn?t follow and it feels too wolfy for even a wolf just going through the motions to think is a good thing to post so i assume that the badness is part of the roleplay and not AI

idk maybe that?s thinking about it wrong but i?d rather just wait for him to post normally and see

"thought bartos post was weird" -> "thought bartos post was wolfy" -> "idk why a wolf would make that post"

Is this rapid fluctuation signs of a villager working through things or a wolf flailing to some heat? I think Hally has really felt uncomfortable in this exchange and I need to figure out if it's a.) villager confusion about whats happened in the early stages and weird posts they are finding difficult to parse, b.) a wolf getting brushed back by a villager and being comfortable, or c.) a wolf just struggling to know what to say in a w/w interaction

[Sunbae]

ooo, this is spicy though

i came away from my exchange with sunbae with a gut wolf read too, so kinda curious if you can put your feeling into words


why?

snipping this towards vulgard, who voted me. Also right after benneh suggested a wolf read on me. Hally had not expressed any concerns with me prior to this? Keep an eye on if they piggyback off of villagers more moving forward.

Also want to keep an eye on the Hally/Zack interactions, as Hally using Zack to defend themselves here might be notewworthy, but idk if its more likely to be w/w or using a villagers read to look better yet

[Sunbae]

yeah, agreed

i also didn?t like how after i corrected him on getting some things wrong in my posts he just left it there, whereas i feel like if v!sunbae had a wolf read on me he felt good about and then i told him he was mixing stuff up in my posts he would go back, read them again and then say ?alright, after rereading my read on hally is now X?

something something lacking villagery curiosity

i just wonder if w!him found someone he thought he could push convincingly then was caught off guard by how i responded so he got stuck and just dropped it

So like, rereading through things so far this was the section of the game where I found Hally wolfy and with the power of hindsight and flips I think past me was correct to find these posts "poo poo". At some point I change my mind and we'll see if I feel past me was correct there too

[Sunbae]

this to neb calling zack villagery

[Sunbae]

why did that change your mind? a bunch of posts and a thousand words to just say "idk vibes" afaict

I think if the team is Hally/Zack, they had the express intent from the get go to interact in a mildly combative way and to continue it across multiple interactions through day 1. Which usually isn't the way I'd expect the wolves to act, but, you know f5 means threshold has to be raised.