Casual 9er Game Thread

[Sunbae]

i don't really have a problem with sunbae's posts about hally ftr (not sure i agree with the conclusion but that's a different thing)

i don't ermember having much issue with hally's posts in the moment but everyone seems to think they're wolfy so i'm feeling paranoid that I'm missing something or doing another ladd in that 13er situation where the reasons don't appeal to me so I assume the conclusion is wrong.



monty still isn't making a lick of sense afaict and his POV on vulgard just rings false

I just don't think this is about wolfmate hally either?

[Zack]

Also the reason I soft-cleared Barto yesterday was because they were in an antagonistic mindframe approach which I don't associate with their wolf game. Also because threadstate told me that Barto was probably the LHF.

I know this question was Benneh and he's dead now but answering it anyway.

why'd you say to punt Monty?

[EnderWiggin]

Also I think every wolf here knows that pushing another wolf early in the day with easily pivotable-away-from reasons is absolutely a tactic.

Idk if anyone cleared anyone for that yet but it's a big limlo issue I've seen for clearing wolves in the past.

[Sunbae]

Vote: Mont

I might be a sucker but Hally's insistence that they were going to have to fend off rask for 48 hours and that they have no idea why they aren't an obvious villager is getting me.

If hally's a villager I think mont's approach to yesterdays eod knowing vulgard is going over is just trying to accrue credit and set up the villa thunderdome between me/hally the next day

[EnderWiggin]

why'd you say to punt Monty?

I honestly don't remember so it's probably in the POE sense of not having another good target and not having reason to townread em.

[EnderWiggin]

this nagged at me a lot D2 and it was part of the reason i was reluctant to push zack despite some concerns here and there

i was (and still am) kinda torn on whether w!zack would actually stick his neck out for me

i think it?s? possible? in that i didn?t think i was actually going to get D1?d. people hate killing active strong players D1 and zack knows that so i could see him going for the pocket on me when he sees i?m vulnerable thinking that i wouldn?t end up going over and would probably get more town read as the game goes on.

also zack was pushing vul with me so it would look pretty bad if he were to heel turn, switch off vul when he was awol and start pushing me instead. i don?t really think w!him could have done that without catching heat.

buuut he could also just be a villager who was defending me correctly

buuuuut if the difference checks i laid out earlier are correct, zack/ender has exactly one wolf and they both town read me while i was getting heat (though ender did it less overtly which is maybe something to look into) so i know that at least one wolf passed up the chance to stick the knife in me when the thread was against me and went the TMI/pocket route instead, so i have to figure out which one of them did that

but not now because i really have to sleep whyamistillawakeihatemyself

Why does this read like the soft creaking a door opening to an Ender wolfread while trying to prompt others to beat you to it?

[Zack]

Also I think every wolf here knows that pushing another wolf early in the day with easily pivotable-away-from reasons is absolutely a tactic.

Idk if anyone cleared anyone for that yet but it's a big limlo issue I've seen for clearing wolves in the past.

I honestly don't remember so it's probably in the POE sense of not having another good target and not having reason to townread em.

[Sunbae]

i haven?t thought too deeply about this but off the dome i don?t really think zack makes much sense as a wolf with anyone except benneh

why do you wolf read him ender?

I think at this point, it's pretty clear that if the wolf team is Zack/Hally they made a conscious, concerted, repetitive effort to interact with each other and with others about each other.

[EnderWiggin]

Let's now open the study of "People keeping Ender around for limlo to try and use as the final misyeet" starring Zack.

[Hally]

re: conclusion thing sloppy wording on my part I guess, I mean you still wolf read them and didn't seem to have a difficult time getting to a vote on Barto (unless my memory is just completely off) so it didn't seem like it was really impacting your reads much despite how much you were talking about it

and you can say you were being villagy but it mostly seemed like busywork to me and I'm pretty sure benneh disliked it too, will check tomorrow

fair lol

in my defense i was gonna vote bart SoD2 before i saw the kill and the NKA was what made me hold off so long

i only voted him after he was afk forever, popped in once his wagon took off and started making ??? posts

my vote was half “i can’t deny bart’s posts are terrible despite my NKA, zack and sunbae think i’m dumb for caring about it, maybe they’re right” and half “maybe he’s twtbaw but there is no way i’m letting this guy live to lylo, let’s just kill him and see if the game is hard”

i don’t really regret voting him even though he was v because had we gone elsewhere and missed he was ~guaranteed to be the game losing mislunch today

[Sunbae]

stopping for a sec to say glad you're feeling a bit better ender

[Sunbae]

Zack's poked at a lot of things but I never feel like he's trying hard to direct thread which implies he's comfortable with letting other people lead it which doesn't feel congruent with how town is dying right now.

Also just gut tells me he's a wolf. Which is pretty dumb.

Also I don't think Benneh is wolf with Monty and if Zack is town I'm townreading a wolf.

Not impossible but not what I'm thinking about now.

Ender started going in on zack pretty good here

[Zack]

stopping for a sec to say glad you're feeling a bit better ender

[Sunbae]

while the rest of the thread was about me, mont, hally, and bart

[Sunbae]

i feel like what you said applies more to benneh than zack?

[Sunbae]

off the top of my head:

- his interactions with sunbae don?t seem like they?re on the same page to me

- i doubt you?d keep pushing him as w/w

- he?s going pretty hard at monty when i?m not sure he?d need to yet

- he?s been wolf reading barto consistently since the start of the game

it?s possible he?s bussing one of mont/bart but at least according to visor he?s not much of a busser as wolf so i dunno

Hally,

why is your approach today "one of sunbae/mont and one of zack/ender" if you dont think zack works with any of the 3 of us?

[Zack]

fair lol

in my defense i was gonna vote bart SoD2 before i saw the kill and the NKA was what made me hold off so long

i only voted him after he was afk forever, popped in once his wagon took off and started making ??? posts

my vote was half “i can’t deny bart’s posts are terrible despite my NKA, zack and sunbae think i’m dumb for caring about it, maybe they’re right” and half “maybe he’s twtbaw but there is no way i’m letting this guy live to lylo, let’s just kill him and see if the game is hard”

i don’t really regret voting him even though he was v because had we gone elsewhere and missed he was ~guaranteed to be the game losing mislunch today

yeah to be clear I don't fault anyone for killing Barto really (and maybe rasks read was even part of the reason he was killed and we should have entertained your nka more)

I'm personally frustrated at myself about it but that's not really here or there

[Hally]

stopping for a sec to say glad you're feeling a bit better ender

[Sunbae]

yeah i?m sure he?s capable of it but he was early to the barto sus D1 and the monty sus today

Are you just starting from "zack town" and working backwards with the reasons?

[EnderWiggin]

Votes are not locked in this lylo or yes locked?

[EnderWiggin]

Nm I checked no locked votes, which means I can do this dramatic thing

[EnderWiggin]

Dun dun dun.

Uno reverse.

Vote: Hally

[Sunbae]

there?s also this re: ender

but i don?t really think ender is a wolf?

i dont think wolf hally pulls a rask quote to throw shade on wolf ender here

[EnderWiggin]

I literally said I'm showing my work because people think I can be a wolf and that none of these are conclusions yet, don't fret about the confbias yet

Oh no, the confbias is coming!

[Sunbae]

tbh i don?t even know why i town read ender as much as i do, but i just? do

he just seems like a carefree villager doing his own thing idk

esp with this follow up

If hallys a wolf this is a post meant to try and get someone else to start suspecting ender after the rask post pull and its because they are with zack (who ender is pushing) after trying to get ender to shift to neb instead

but being clear they dont think its ender

[EnderWiggin]

So the timing of this is:

pretty much nothing about me while I'm getting railroaded -> zack + hally call me a villager for being stubborn/on my own track -> Ender says he agrees -> later vulgard votes Ender saying he can do better -> Ender gets annoyed by this and iso's me to clear me and calls me the strongest town

If ender is a wolf I would be shocked if I wasn't planned on being killed here with how this played out (rask has barely posted at this point)

The question is, if so then why? Because I was villa reading Ender. Was it just trying to pocket me? I wasn't poking towards him, monty, or zack at this point so idk why a pair of those would basically write me off there. It'd have to be Ender/Hally?

I think if I hold this thought as we progress, then the only wolf team Ender works for is Ender/Hally. Which means if I can rid myself of that one I can clear ender. If I can clear ender I just need to find one pair that doesnt work in Mont/Hally/Zack and vote the common link.

Imagine if I was just obvious town tho.

Also I didn't read this before my vote, unfortunately, but that's even more hilarious now.

[Hally]

Hally,

why is your approach today "one of sunbae/mont and one of zack/ender" if you dont think zack works with any of the 3 of us?

the not w/w read with you was more of a nebulous feeling that i wanna double check tomorrow before i rule it out

the not w/w read with monty was because zack was going hard at monty SoD2 but then at EoD he pivoted off monty and onto bart pretty strongly so not sure it holds up

so before rereading anything, the only two pairs i feel i can strongly rule out are you/monty and zack/ender. i’m currently at “if either of those two are the team i’m probably just losing to them” levels of confidence with those two and not there on any other pairs atm

[Zack]

Let's now open the study of "People keeping Ender around for limlo to try and use as the final misyeet" starring Zack.

[Zack]

Dun dun dun.

Uno reverse.

Vote: Hally

this is bait right?

[Sunbae]

just wanna note that i thought this post was kinda wolfy because hedging is like the defining feature of my town game lol

notably zack has even defended me in the past when we?ve been v/v and people suspect me for my indecision

it?s like a post wolves think sounds good but isn?t something zack would really think about me

i think hally has no wolf pairs?