Casual 9er Game Thread

**Montmorency** · 07-30-2022, 19:40

Originally Posted by Zack

that explains nothing. WHY were they the scummiest

My foregone explanations on all the things she said are sufficient. Us ITT:

I'm tempted to cast blame on Barto, since with a bit of input from his end we could have overwhelmed Zack D2 when there was a chance (4 votes). But really it's just me for lacking the wim, coherence, or cognitive power to concretely solve this game based on what I've read. Motivation is lacking too given that unless all the townies vote together they have a ~1% chance of victory, and I don't see Town unifying today.

**Hally** · 07-30-2022, 20:07

vote: zack

**Hally** · 07-30-2022, 20:08

#inbennehwetrust

**Montmorency** · 07-30-2022, 20:24

Originally Posted by Hally

vote: zack

Look, if Sunbae is town, there's basically no way for town to win, i.e. for at least one townie to join me on mafia in practice. In principle:

If Sunbae is town, Zack-Hally can do whatever the heck they please as Monty-Ender wagons are no threat to them and neither of themselves will attract two votes. Ender-Hally: ??? I guess Hally might as well feint onto Zack. Zack-Ender probably would handle D3 as they have, especially after the Sunbae dump.

If Sunbae-Ender, Ender has to be on the watch for any traction his own wagon might get. (I'm assuming Sunbae stays true to his word and misses EOD.)

If Sunbae-Zack the game is finished unless Hally and Ender are solid on the Zack-wagon.

Sunbae-Hally: Also pretty much invincible but I chose to rule out this scenario for a mini early on.

If Hally is town, Zack-Ender is the scenario she puts to the test if her vote is legit.

I'll hold my vote for now.

**Zack** · 07-30-2022, 20:47

Originally Posted by Montmorency

My foregone explanations on all the things she said are sufficient. Us ITT:

I'm tempted to cast blame on Barto, since with a bit of input from his end we could have overwhelmed Zack D2 when there was a chance (4 votes). But really it's just me for lacking the wim, coherence, or cognitive power to concretely solve this game based on what I've read. Motivation is lacking too given that unless all the townies vote together they have a ~1% chance of victory, and I don't see Town unifying today.

can you please expand? If you're town then I really need some more help seeing your perspective

**Zack** · 07-30-2022, 20:54

I'm looking back through sunbae's posts this phase and the tossing out ender/hally as a possibility seems weak, and clearing hally entirely based on interactions I'm not sure passes the smell test

worried the team is ender/hally or hally/sunbae or sunbae/ender and monty is just a villager being uncooperative and stubborn for whatever reason

**Montmorency** · 07-30-2022, 21:46

Originally Posted by Zack

can you please expand? If you're town then I really need some more help seeing your perspective

Each of you has spent the game elaborating at length why every, or at least almost every, other player could be maf. Even now no one really - in public - is willing to hard-clear another player.

I just have a lower word count.

D1 is really really so uncomplicated that even my few posts should account for my position. I was starting to TL Vulgard, Barto had a day-pass no matter what, and everyone else started null. Sunbae and Hally took control of the thread and, in my opinion, handled interactions and reads in a sub-genuine way that mostly helped condition the field for a variety of scenarios. Both Sunbae and Hally had seemed poised for wagons at various times throughout the day, with Hally finally becoming the CW to Vulgard. It's... only logical that I would offer a Sunbae-Hally TDome.

I'm not going to present any ISO-walls in this game to try to narrativize my suspicions for the thread, and at any rate I can't even synthesize a single must-die differential read, meaning it would be a lot of effort gambling that Sunbae is scum and a no-show and all the townies among Ender-Zack-Hally notice something in the walls that compels them to join me in voting him or his partner.

To angleshoot my previous post, if Sunbae is AFK for EOD as scum, things might become clearer toward EOD. Who would Sunbae be confident enough to hand the keys to? Ender as partner really can't afford to pack it up and go AFK as well, since that would be a dweebish way to snatch defeat. I think scum-Sunbae is more comfortable peacing out if Hally or Zack is the partner, and I just don't accept Sunbae-Hally all-gaming a strategy suited for twice the player base.

If Sunbae is scum the only way to beat them is to find their partner, which I haven't been able to do. According to my framework, if Sunbae is town, Ender is the best differential bet (Zack-Hally is already a foregone conclusion as I said).

There are almost no worlds in which EOD players allow this F5 to resolve 2-2-1, so I can't expect the dignity of a tiebreaker with Ender. Realistically I would have to either vote Zack and convince Ender to join, or vote Ender and convince Hally to join.

**Zack** · 07-30-2022, 22:06

alright, thank you for the response and breakdown. if you're town, I'm sorry if my pestering was annoying but I was having a hard time seeing the process behind the reads you were presenting to the thread and that's kind of the key to townreading someone. If you're maf, I apologize for nothing

now let's kill ender

**Zack** · 07-30-2022, 22:09

alright, thank you for the response and breakdown. if you're town, I'm sorry if my pestering was annoying but I was having a hard time seeing the process behind the reads you were presenting to the thread and that's kind of the key to townreading someone. If you're maf, I apologize for nothing

now let's kill ender