Casual 9er Game Thread

[Zack]

Sunbae EOD2: Bart > Mont > Neb
Sunbae D3: No witnesses

Mafia Warehouse Disco #17.

Everyone is scummy and I can't do anything about it.



Because it's not in my style to aggressively solve into nulls.

what does the first part of this about sunbae mean

and why not?

[EnderWiggin]

I see "too sick to care a lot about the game" is now "chilling".

Hally by your own rules unless you sus Sunbae you should be on Monty.

I don't have Monty as my biggest sus but I'm committed to him as town and if Monty is town tbh it's game over.

But I don't think Monty is town now. Hally/Zack as wolves have no reason to rock the boat here

[Zack]

I see "too sick to care a lot about the game" is now "chilling".

Hally by your own rules unless you sus Sunbae you should be on Monty.

I don't have Monty as my biggest sus but I'm committed to him as town and if Monty is town tbh it's game over.

But I don't think Monty is town now. Hally/Zack as wolves have no reason to rock the boat here

most likely mont partners iyo?

[EnderWiggin]

I'm committed to Sunbae town*

Brain bluh

[EnderWiggin]

most likely mont partners iyo?

You are still the gut scumread I have. So I have to say you.

[Montmorency]

Ender, the only alternative is Zack.

what does the first part of this about sunbae mean

Just before the flip he proposed POEing me and Neb conditional on Bart red.

By D3 Bart and Neb had flipped and Sunbae worked to find reasons to TR or exclude everyone but me, keeping the remnant of his POE, the most-favorable option if m-Sunbae. IIRC I read a Mafia Academy, or whatever that subforum is called, article that failing to re-evaluate under such circumstances can be a sign of mafia working to control the threadflow.

It's just as well I suppose, since the only winnable scenarios at the moment both include m-Sunbae. Not even confbias but more like quietism.

and why not?

or ?\_(ツ)_/?

[EnderWiggin]

Could be Hally/Monty but I've opened thread with literally 30m to go so

[Zack]

You are still the gut scumread I have. So I have to say you.

alright

spitting in my face here is maybe villagy

[EnderWiggin]

Literally my only partner here could be Sunbae.

Someone tell me why Sunbae is a wolf

[Visor]

Players Votes

EnderWiggin 3 (Zack, Montmorency, Hally)
Montmorency 2 (EnderWiggin, Sunbae)
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believe this is still correct

[Zack]

vote: monty

[EnderWiggin]

Hally, Zack, whichever one of you is town needs to seriously consider how Sunbae is my partner.

If it was one of y'all then we literally chill on Monty

[Montmorency]

Literally my only partner here could be Sunbae.

Someone tell me why Sunbae is a wolf

See:

Hally-Sunbae GG
Hally-Zack GG
Ender-Zack GG
Ender-Hally GG
Sunbae-Zack 5% winnable
Sunbae-Ender 20% winnable

Wagonomics more or less guarantees my ouster in 4/6 pairings. Don't think I can rally against Sunbae though. #WhereIsEnder

[Hally]

ender/mont interactions are pretty weird, esp from ender?s side

D1 ender town reads mont for vibes. iirc this was when sunbae/me were also town reading mont and nobody was susing him, so safe place to plop a town read on a partner (though maybe ender makes an effort to explain it if w/w?).

then they have a prolonged interaction at EoD when the wagons are me/vul where they talk about unrelated things like why ender was PoE?d as a wolf in sorc (how is this relevant to figuring out ender?s alignment when he wasn?t even getting PoE?d?). mont asks him about me and he gives a noncommittal answer. then mont asks about sunbae and he says he doesn?t agree with voting there but mont can do what he wants. notably earlier ender said sunbae was LOCK TOWN and we would vote sunbae over his dead body but in this exchange he just shrugs at mont wanting to vote sunbae, and mont even says the reply seems more chill than expected but does nothing with it. this entire interaction seems to go nowhere and serve no purpose. monty doesn?t seem to be doing anything with the answers he gets.

what?s interesting is they don?t talk about vul at all despite him being a wagon. mont claims he thought vul was the villageriest person D1 and ender was voting vul atp (and in fact started vul?s wagon after omgusing vul for voting him), yet mont doesn?t question ender?s vote on vul or say he town reads vul or anything. it?s such an obvious and interesting topic if monty is truly trying to sort ender here but he doesn?t even mention it.

just a bizarre exchange frankly. it?s such a long back and forth with no discernible purpose. very ping pongy.

fast forward to SoD2 and mont is getting his booty spanked by zack and sunbae. ender comes in and his town read on mont from D1 is now gone? he says he could lunch monty. then he?s pretty much gone for the rest of the day and mont ends up not being in danger.

today ender comes in voting me and says zack is his second wolf read. he doesn?t mention mont iirc. then when sunbae starts burying mont he pivots to voting mont very easily.

what is going on here lol

[EnderWiggin]

As for #whereisender?

Ender decided he was probably going to be alive for an f3 and didn't know which of Zack or Hally it was and it was either Monty is scum or game over so he mentally checked out to try and get better before f3 or at least retain energy for it

[Zack]

Monty/hally or ender/sunbae seem most possible to me

betting on the former

[EnderWiggin]

Hally really pre-scumreading me off Monty's flip?

[Montmorency]

Let's just vote Zack I guess?

[Hally]

the thing that makes me hesitant is that until today i don’t think mont has actually talked about or made an effort to read ender? this can be a w/w tell for some wolves who struggle to talk about their bros but i’m not sure if mont is one of them and generally in a two wolf game i would expect a wolf to attempt to make a read on their partner

not sure if it’s enough to rule it out though

[Zack]

or this is just w/w and playing for f3 now

[Visor]

Players Votes

Montmorency 3 (EnderWiggin, Sunbae, Zack)
EnderWiggin 2 (Montmorency, Hally)

[EnderWiggin]

As if I would not try and undermine Sunbae if I was partners with Monty

[Zack]

As if I would not try and undermine Sunbae if I was partners with Monty

bussing monty and trying to pocket sunbae is not that far-fetched

[Zack]

As if I would not try and undermine Sunbae if I was partners with Monty

bussing monty and trying to pocket sunbae is not that far-fetched

[Montmorency]

Questionnaire: Which of the following would you be willing to vote?

Zack ☑ ☐
Ender ☑ ☐
Hally ☑ ☐
Sunbae ☑ ☐

I'll YOLO anyone of course, but you have 5 minutes to decide on a non-Monty.

[Zack]

i am just going to trust sunbae, if him and monty are v/v we lose anyway since he's not here to change his vote

[Hally]

i reread the whole game btw, or well i skimmed

and my biggest takeaways other than mont/ender interactions were that 1) idk why i was town reading ender at any point lol and 2) i think i stand by my sunbae/zack not w/w read (not that it really matters because we’re losing today if that’s the team anyway)

i also still think sunbae is probably town? but the sunbae/ender mutual defense still gives me a lot of pause because in rereading i didn’t really get how they arrived at such strong and lasting town reads on each other, so i do think it’s still possible they went for the powerwolf go brrr strat

but i also am kinda okay losing to sunbae still lol

so i dunno, the mont/ender interactions is probably the most interesting nugget i have rn

[Zack]

yeah okay

ender/monty
hally/monty
ender/sunbae

if it's anything else we lost anyway

glgl

[EnderWiggin]

And now Monty flips town and I discover that my last minute flailing didn't matter

[Hally]

alright w/e

i wanted to hold the ender vote to make him sweat a bit but realistically i was always voting mont here

vote: mont

if this is wrong and sunbae fooled everyone i’m pretty content with losing

glgl