Casual december game

[Csargo]

I've had hk as maybe woof for most of the day, but I'm also hilariously bad at reading hk.

[Cape90]

ugh, a part of me thinks ender is town but I just do not want Amy to go over at all

[Askthepizzaguy]

ugh, a part of me thinks ender is town but I just do not want Amy to go over at all

Given how many people said Logic was wolfy (for reasons I never once understood or agreed with)

I can understand why Cape would consolidate onto him to save a townread in Amy and if he doubted his own case on Ender.

Ender is a good wolf, he does that to you.

[Vulgard]

Let me bus my partners!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let me bus my partners!

Don't know why you'd troll me like this as town instead of solving the game.

[Cape90]

Vote: Logic

this is probably a healthier vote

[Askthepizzaguy]

i basically dont remember anything hk has done this game and I think that's wolfy for him but I should have come to this realization with more than 5 mins to EOD

Can be distancing as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ender (4): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic
Ampharos (4): Boquise, Visor, Renata, Montmo
Logic (4): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

EOD in 8 minutes.

Vote: EnderWiggin

I like this better then Amy

Logic is meh

critical point.

[Renata]

Ender (4): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic
Ampharos (4): Boquise, Visor, Renata, Montmo
Logic (4): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

EOD in 8 minutes.

This was vote count after Taffy's vote. Why logic over Ender and Amy.

[Raskolnikov]

Dya (5): Vulgard, Renata, Taffy, HK, Boquise
Taffy (3): Monty, Csargo, Ender
Kage (1): Amy
HK (1): Kagemusha

EOD in 15 minutes

[Renata]

That's EoD1, it's as far as I can get.

[Renata]

Yeah. You called him towny, and then you said it based on wagon stagnation he was either town or it was bussing. When you were asked by Logic who might be bussing him, no response. Then you voted Logic. Why.

[Boquise]

Ender (4): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic
Ampharos (4): Boquise, Visor, Renata, Montmo
Logic (4): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

EOD in 8 minutes.

csargo unlikely wolf due to the wagons. Ender unlikely wolf due to being voted by two wolves 8 minutes until eod.
If Amy wolf, renata and monty are cleared.
If Amy town, renata and monty scum equity rising.
There is a possibility that the whole wagon is town there but I do not think that BOTH Amy's and Logic's wagons are pure.

That means at least 1 of Amy and Taffy is a wolf. There is a chance that wolves commit 2 wolves on 2 wagons, which is I think what happens if Amy is a wolf. But gun to the head my gut says that only the Ender wagon consists of 2 wolves tbh.

If I go with my reads, I think HK is town. I have not decided yet if Kage IS town but I feel like ladd's way to handle my push makes him likely town. That would mean that all wolves are on wagon. We'll see if my thoughts change as I go down the rabbit hole.

This would mean that 1 of Monty/Renata is a wolf
I think both have been townie however so that is annoying tbh

[Renata]

csargo unlikely wolf due to the wagons. Ender unlikely wolf due to being voted by two wolves 8 minutes until eod.
If Amy wolf, renata and monty are cleared.
If Amy town, renata and monty scum equity rising.
There is a possibility that the whole wagon is town there but I do not think that BOTH Amy's and Logic's wagons are pure.

That means at least 1 of Amy and Taffy is a wolf. There is a chance that wolves commit 2 wolves on 2 wagons, which is I think what happens if Amy is a wolf. But gun to the head my gut says that only the Ender wagon consists of 2 wolves tbh.

If I go with my reads, I think HK is town. I have not decided yet if Kage IS town but I feel like ladd's way to handle my push makes him likely town. That would mean that all wolves are on wagon. We'll see if my thoughts change as I go down the rabbit hole.

This would mean that 1 of Monty/Renata is a wolf
I think both have been townie however so that is annoying tbh

I'm sure it's very annoying.

[Boquise]

I'm sure it's very annoying.

it is indeed annoying that the puzzle pieces dont quite fit since that hints at an error in my reasoning.
Now are you going to be useful or snarky?

[Boquise]

csargo unlikely wolf due to the wagons. Ender unlikely wolf due to being voted by two wolves 8 minutes until eod.
If Amy wolf, renata and monty are cleared.
If Amy town, renata and monty scum equity rising.
There is a possibility that the whole wagon is town there but I do not think that BOTH Amy's and Logic's wagons are pure.

That means at least 1 of Amy and Taffy is a wolf. There is a chance that wolves commit 2 wolves on 2 wagons, which is I think what happens if Amy is a wolf. But gun to the head my gut says that only the Ender wagon consists of 2 wolves tbh.

If I go with my reads, I think HK is town. I have not decided yet if Kage IS town but I feel like ladd's way to handle my push makes him likely town. That would mean that all wolves are on wagon. We'll see if my thoughts change as I go down the rabbit hole.

This would mean that 1 of Monty/Renata is a wolf
I think both have been townie however so that is annoying tbh

So building on this:
I have previously unpaired Amy and Monty.
And in the post I am quoting, I am unpairing Amy with Renata (tho I know I have to resume reading the last 8 minutes so maybe I should shut up but no tbh).

That means, Amy can only be a wolf with Csargo, Taffy, HK, Kage.
Amy has tried to yeet Kage. Unpaired.

Csargo, Taffy, HK.

I am town reading HK pretty strongly.

Csargo, Taffy.

I think Csargo is town due to ladd and Dya already being on Ender. HOWEVER I can see why wolves would commit 3 wolves on 1 town wagon in hopes to save Amy, but that doesnt fit the timeline of votes (and Amy's wagon rising in votes). It also doesnt fit with occam's razors. Ladd and Dya are competent wolves. Idk who Csargo is, but he seems to be competent as a player. It is better to have at least 1 more wolf on the other town wagon (Logic). Otherwise wolves are boxed in. This makes Csargo also unlikely.

So based on process of elimination, if Amy is a wolf, she can only be with Taffy.
Which would make the wagons Town vs Scum vs Town. With 2 wolves on each town wagon.

Lets see what transpires in the last 8 minutes tbh

[hollowkatt]

So building on this:
I have previously unpaired Amy and Monty.
And in the post I am quoting, I am unpairing Amy with Renata (tho I know I have to resume reading the last 8 minutes so maybe I should shut up but no tbh).

That means, Amy can only be a wolf with Csargo, Taffy, HK, Kage.
Amy has tried to yeet Kage. Unpaired.

Csargo, Taffy, HK.

I am town reading HK pretty strongly.

Csargo, Taffy.

I think Csargo is town due to ladd and Dya already being on Ender. HOWEVER I can see why wolves would commit 3 wolves on 1 town wagon in hopes to save Amy, but that doesnt fit the timeline of votes (and Amy's wagon rising in votes). It also doesnt fit with occam's razors. Ladd and Dya are competent wolves. Idk who Csargo is, but he seems to be competent as a player. It is better to have at least 1 more wolf on the other town wagon (Logic). Otherwise wolves are boxed in. This makes Csargo also unlikely.

So based on process of elimination, if Amy is a wolf, she can only be with Taffy.
Which would make the wagons Town vs Scum vs Town. With 2 wolves on each town wagon.

Lets see what transpires in the last 8 minutes tbh

I'm wondering why three wolves would pile on to save Amy who's really not been any kind of impactful, didn't show signs of being impactful, and generally was already scraping "disassociated wolf" reads from others in the thread. I feel like that would be antithetical to smart wolf play there. If someone not really contributing is getting sussed exerting effort like that to save them runs the risk of outing the whole team, yeah?

[Boquise]

I'm wondering why three wolves would pile on to save Amy who's really not been any kind of impactful, didn't show signs of being impactful, and generally was already scraping "disassociated wolf" reads from others in the thread. I feel like that would be antithetical to smart wolf play there. If someone not really contributing is getting sussed exerting effort like that to save them runs the risk of outing the whole team, yeah?

Exactly. So Csargo should be seen as cleared

[Csargo]

I'm wondering why three wolves would pile on to save Amy who's really not been any kind of impactful, didn't show signs of being impactful, and generally was already scraping "disassociated wolf" reads from others in the thread. I feel like that would be antithetical to smart wolf play there. If someone not really contributing is getting sussed exerting effort like that to save them runs the risk of outing the whole team, yeah?

Amy wasn't a wagon when we all voted D1. Amy had one vote from Boq iirc.

[Boquise]

Amy wasn't a wagon when we all voted D1. Amy had one vote from Boq iirc.

Amy was a wagon at the last hours. She could have easily gone over there

[Csargo]

Amy was a wagon at the last hours. She could have easily gone over there

Yeah, I meant when me, ladd, and dya voted ender, there was no Amy wagon. So the idea that it could have been to save Amy wouldn't be a thing.

[hollowkatt]

Amy wasn't a wagon when we all voted D1. Amy had one vote from Boq iirc.

yeah I'm aware, which is why I wanted to talk to boq about it which is why I said that.

[Csargo]

yeah I'm aware, which is why I wanted to talk to boq about it which is why I said that.

Okay.

[Boquise]

yeah I'm aware, which is why I wanted to talk to boq about it which is why I said that.

sup

[hollowkatt]

csargo unlikely wolf due to the wagons. Ender unlikely wolf due to being voted by two wolves 8 minutes until eod.
If Amy wolf, renata and monty are cleared.
If Amy town, renata and monty scum equity rising.
There is a possibility that the whole wagon is town there but I do not think that BOTH Amy's and Logic's wagons are pure.

That means at least 1 of Amy and Taffy is a wolf. There is a chance that wolves commit 2 wolves on 2 wagons, which is I think what happens if Amy is a wolf. But gun to the head my gut says that only the Ender wagon consists of 2 wolves tbh.

If I go with my reads, I think HK is town. I have not decided yet if Kage IS town but I feel like ladd's way to handle my push makes him likely town. That would mean that all wolves are on wagon. We'll see if my thoughts change as I go down the rabbit hole.

This would mean that 1 of Monty/Renata is a wolf
I think both have been townie however so that is annoying tbh

So building on this:
I have previously unpaired Amy and Monty.
And in the post I am quoting, I am unpairing Amy with Renata (tho I know I have to resume reading the last 8 minutes so maybe I should shut up but no tbh).

That means, Amy can only be a wolf with Csargo, Taffy, HK, Kage.
Amy has tried to yeet Kage. Unpaired.

Csargo, Taffy, HK.

I am town reading HK pretty strongly.

Csargo, Taffy.

I think Csargo is town due to ladd and Dya already being on Ender. HOWEVER I can see why wolves would commit 3 wolves on 1 town wagon in hopes to save Amy, but that doesnt fit the timeline of votes (and Amy's wagon rising in votes). It also doesnt fit with occam's razors. Ladd and Dya are competent wolves. Idk who Csargo is, but he seems to be competent as a player. It is better to have at least 1 more wolf on the other town wagon (Logic). Otherwise wolves are boxed in. This makes Csargo also unlikely.

So based on process of elimination, if Amy is a wolf, she can only be with Taffy.
Which would make the wagons Town vs Scum vs Town. With 2 wolves on each town wagon.

Lets see what transpires in the last 8 minutes tbh

@EnderWiggin I'm reminded that this post exists which came about from boq trying to figure out how to pair or unpair people and obvs hindsight is hindsight but it reads entirely like building a world that couldn't exist and the question I'm asking myself is this: could we have determined that this world couldn't exist at the time that this was posted.

Boq spends an extraordinary amount of time talking about everyone but Kage and halfheartedly clears Kage via a single throwaway line about how Ladd wouldn't have done xyz.
I know I had Boq as town the last couple of days but I have more reasons to town read you and monty than I do Boq, maybe more reasons to town read csargo but I can't commit to that at the moment.

for now vote: boq

I'm still looking for that conversation I had with boq regarding ladd/dya/amy