Casual december game

[Totally not Taffy]

If I asked you questions and you do not answer them like you are trying to convince a fellow townie of your solve, we WILL NOT see day three together.

Is this a slip where you expect to see D3? You asked to be answered as if you were town and I will, but if we do see D3 together getting you yeeted will be my top priority.

Question posed for everyone who would like to assist me today:

1) Who do you believe did the best solving on day one out of everyone, in terms of process and likelihood of being right

The only two people who I noticed having a process rather than on the spot reads were you and Montmorency, so I'm going with him. Given his posts today I am still happy with that answer, though if Kagemusha gets results with his I'm going to study and copy it in future games.

2) Besides your own suspicions list and town leans, which other player's reads this game would you sheep if you had to sheep someone? Including Spooge.

I would rather sheep individual reads that I think have good reasoning behind them or are made on players I feel I cannot read by players who are better at it than sheep a particular player entirely. For example, I'm willing to sheep your and Vulgard's read on Ladd. That doesn't mean I'll sheep the rest of them.

Ignoring my preference (and to give you a real answer), currently I'd be willing to sheep Montmorencey, Kagemusha, Boquise and Ladd. Given a green check I'd also definitely sheep Ender (even if he was wrong initially, I do believe he has the ability to solve the game in the end and that's what counts).

3) What was the basis of the suspicions on Logic

I'm assuming you mean my reasons for voting him, if you want a general feel of why the rest of the thread was suspicious of him lmk. I had early suspicions of Logic because of his early posting. Then his posting got better, but he kept getting heat from enough people to warrant being a wagon. I was ok with him going over in the end because I thought his case on Visor was based on bad reasoning (sorry Logic). In Logic's head:

1. Visor has a godread on him
2. Visor is aware of this
3. Other players in this game are aware of this
4. Instead of letting another member of his team push Logic for his awkward posting, wolf!Visor decides to risk outing himself to those other players

This just doesn't make sense. It would be terrible wolfing and Visor is not a terrible wolf. Since Logic flipped town and those other players deny 3, my conclusion is that Visor's godread exists only in Logic's head.

4) Who on that wagon are wolves, including "none" or whichever names you wish.

It really depends on Ender's and Ampharos' alignments, but it would surprise me if there were no wolves on that wagon at all. If Ender and/or Ampharos are town, then probably no more than two, and the off-wagon voters become more likely to be wolves. If Ender is a wolf then almost certainly Visor.

@ Taffy

Would you bet the game that Vulgard is town?

Meaning, you have no doubt at all.

If so, explain how you got there in a manner that presupposes I have never played with Vulgard, do not know how to read him, and if you are that confident you must have strong reasons.

I need you to hold my hand, and walk me through it like I am stupid. Do not assume I understand anything you're saying but the definitions of the words you're using.

I could only be that certain of my read if it was on a player I had played regularly and recently with that I had experience of reading correctly. I have never played with Vulgard before, so no. I am, however, still willing to walk you through it: from what Vulgard told me, I have concluded that he enjoys wolfing more than towning, and that he would have been happy to rand wolf this game. Nobody has stood up yet to tell me I'm wrong on this. Vulgard's early posts do not scream "woot woot I randed wolf" to me. Hence, he's not a wolf. I realise this is simplistic, but in order to know better I'd have to go and read former wolf games of his and I don't think that's worth it unless we're in LyLo together. That's why the category is named "people I'd prefer not to look at again till LyLo" and not "towncore".

You have no idea I am town.

Awesome, gonna set you aside in the null pile.

I hope this is a joke because it shouldn't be this easy to pocket you. I feel like the way you're interacting with Renata this game is distinctly different from how the two of you treated each other in Dale's Kingmaker game you recently played together and from that I think there's probably at least one wolf between you. If you flip green tonight and you don't want me tunnelling her tomorrow, please explain how I'm wrong about my observation or why the two of you would treating each other differently is NAI.

How about you put some real effort into your solve as if you want to convince anyone at all that your solve is one you believe

For your whole day one you played with some level of confidence. To enter day two and suddenly have less confidence instead of more, doesn't make sense.

Don't you have MORE information now than you did on day one?

Don't you have a smaller pool of suspects?

As the counterwagon, you have a unique insight as to what the wolves probably did. I don't see you aggressively pursuing any suspect.

There is no need for this, you could have made your point differently. If Ender is a town low on WIM then being told he isn't good enough isn't going to encourage him to put in more effort, he will just dislike being in this game and want out. If Ender is a wolf then he didn't choose his rand and it's probably very painful for him to be found so soon by so many people. Either way this isn't a great approach.

Similar for Vulgard, but I somehow lost the quote. This is supposed to be a casual game, allow people to enjoy it even while you're killing them.

As an aside, I didn't think Ender's readslist was lacking, it's pretty much what I'm used to from him. I read your SoD as heavily implying that you had a cop check on someone (presumably Ender or Vulgard, maybe Visor), and if anything Ender's relaxing shows that he expects to be green checked. Visor, otoh, was all but lolcatting this morning (though he seems to have picked up again recently).