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EnderWiggin 09:44 12-09-2022

Because in your POE rn there are like...

2 people where your read is half based on me being wolf.

And man that feels bad.

EnderWiggin 09:45 12-09-2022

I will defend Renata with my life, if I must. Vulgard I believe is town but there's been enough doubt about it and enough people including Luvs who pointed at em that I will believe I could be wrong there.

Totally not Taffy 13:43 12-09-2022

We don't actually have any proof this was a desperado shot, which is annoying me even more than the lack of clarity as to who was the target. Guess we'll know tomorrow when someone else claims. I can see arguments for either Vulgard or Ender having been the shot so I'm going to treat them both as towncleared for the time being.

Vote: Visor

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
I will defend Renata with my life, if I must. Vulgard I believe is town but there's been enough doubt about it and enough people including Luvs who pointed at em that I will believe I could be wrong there.

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Renata - Solving and their approach today has been good, alongside yesterday entrance felt uninformed
Cape - I have had a few doubt points but every time I read the ISO some of their points feel very good
Taffy - I just won against wolf!Taffy and there's a significant play here that is different, I would be very impressed if this is Taffy as wolf again

Which significant play is different here?

Since you're confident about Renata and I am not, what about their approach is so undeniably town? Why couldn't she have faked the entrance?

@dyachei I am ashamed and very sorry about the misgendering, I only noticed today that I was part of it and that should not have happened because I know better. Your feelings do matter to me.

ladd 13:45 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by :
We don't actually have any proof this was a desperado shot, which is annoying me even more than the lack of clarity as to who was the target. Guess we'll know tomorrow when someone else claims. I can see arguments for either Vulgard or Ender having been the shot so I'm going to treat them both as towncleared for the time being.

this is a bad approach IYAM

we'll never know who was shot cause the only person who knows is dead

Visor 13:47 12-09-2022

taffy am i still a wolf because i didnt remember ur posts

Totally not Taffy 15:53 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by Visor:
taffy am i still a wolf because i didnt remember ur posts

Originally Posted by Visor:
while the cat is trying to eat my breakfast and i get ready for the day

can yall please give me some actual questions to answer given im a major wagon today

thanks

I thought you were a wolf this morning, and I really don't believe Asks shot you. At this point I think you are the correct yeet regardless of your alignment because you're never going to be able to completely townclear yourself. But at least if you flip cop we know Montmorency's a wolf so that's good.

I do think you're in a shit position tbh, best thing I can suggest is that if your reads have changed since this morning say how and why in case you flip green?

Csargo 21:10 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy:
I thought you were a wolf this morning, and I really don't believe Asks shot you. At this point I think you are the correct yeet regardless of your alignment because you're never going to be able to completely townclear yourself. But at least if you flip cop we know Montmorency's a wolf so that's good.

I do think you're in a shit position tbh, best thing I can suggest is that if your reads have changed since this morning say how and why in case you flip green?

I do kinda dislike this post. I think if Visor's town then people would be able to find him and I just think the arguments bad. I just don't like the sentiment of it.

Totally not Taffy 15:41 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by ladd:
this is a bad approach IYAM

we'll never know who was shot cause the only person who knows is dead

I'm not advocating for letting both of them live till LyLo, but if there is another shot tomorrow they can shoot within the two of them (being clear about their target this time) and we'll have a townclear either because the shooter dies and we yeet the one that wasn't shot or the wolf dies and the other is clear. Today's elimination should be about other people imo.

If there is no second shot we yeet one of them right before LyLo so at least we know where to vote if we're wrong. Tell me if I'm overlooking something.

Also realised why Asks pretended to be the desperado himself, that way if he lived the wolves wouldn't be tempted to go PR hunting. So at least that part now makes sense to me.

Totally not Taffy 18:21 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy:
I'm not advocating for letting both of them live till LyLo, but if there is another shot tomorrow they can shoot within the two of them (being clear about their target this time) and we'll have a townclear either because the shooter dies and we yeet the one that wasn't shot or the wolf dies and the other is clear. Today's elimination should be about other people imo.

If there is no second shot we yeet one of them right before LyLo so at least we know where to vote if we're wrong. Tell me if I'm overlooking something.

This is a spectacularly wolfy post and I feel appropriately stupid. Since Visor is actively looking for a reason to get me scumread and didn't notice the mistake here I'm going to confbias that into doubling down on him being a wolf. And also that there's one in Ender/Vulgard but Asks just shot the wrong one.

Visor 18:23 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy:
This is a spectacularly wolfy post and I feel appropriately stupid. Since Visor is actively looking for a reason to get me scumread and didn't notice the mistake here I'm going to confbias that into doubling down on him being a wolf. And also that there's one in Ender/Vulgard but Asks just shot the wrong one.

its jsut a bog standard echanics post that i dont care about

sorry

Renata 19:08 12-09-2022

To be honest I wasn't going to say anything about that post either and I'm not 100% sure what mistake it is that you are referring to. I am absolute shit at mechanics however.

EnderWiggin 15:43 12-11-2022

This post in context kinda feels unpaired from ladd too.

dyachei 15:45 12-11-2022

it's hard to keep speaking up for amy when she barely comes into the thread anymore, but that's not really AI for her. If it is, I'd expect more effort out of wolf!amy

Vulgard 15:45 12-11-2022

Originally Posted by Montmorency:
No more kids' gloves, it's time to acknowledge that Ender is the linchpin to the entire game, and there's nothing good about the guy.

@ladd
@dyachei

Lettuce defeat Ender.

Vote: Ender

This is one of the boldest posts I have ever seen if it's w/w/w.

EnderWiggin 13:49 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy:
We don't actually have any proof this was a desperado shot, which is annoying me even more than the lack of clarity as to who was the target. Guess we'll know tomorrow when someone else claims. I can see arguments for either Vulgard or Ender having been the shot so I'm going to treat them both as towncleared for the time being.

Vote: Visor

Which significant play is different here?

Since you're confident about Renata and I am not, what about their approach is so undeniably town? Why couldn't she have faked the entrance?

@dyachei I am ashamed and very sorry about the misgendering, I only noticed today that I was part of it and that should not have happened because I know better. Your feelings do matter to me.

Is it fakeable? Sure

Is it LIKELY to be faked?

Not so much.

Also Renata's interactions with Pizza are part of the towniness.

I can case her when it's not 12am and/or when she's actually in danger.

Your play difference I'm not going to outline since I wanna keep the read on you intact for future games.

But others townread you anyway so it's not like I have to convince em.

Askthepizzaguy 09:46 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Because in your POE rn there are like...

2 people where your read is half based on me being wolf.

And man that feels bad.

Who cares, I'll be too dead to actually yeet them for it if I shot you, wouldn't I?

What is this undermining my confidence ploy you're doing right now?

Why would you care at all about how I'm about to remove myself from play and stop accusing those people I am falsely associating with you and you as well?

EnderWiggin 09:47 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
Who cares, I'll be too dead to actually yeet them for it if I shot you, wouldn't I?

What is this undermining my confidence ploy you're doing right now?

Why would you care at all about how I'm about to remove myself from play and stop accusing those people I am falsely associating with you and you as well?

Because you're a good reader of the game.

And I would like to carry your legacy if you do shoot me.

Which is hard if some of those reads exist in worlds I know are false.

Askthepizzaguy 09:48 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Because you're a good reader of the game.

And I would like to carry your legacy if you do shoot me.

Which is hard if some of those reads exist in worlds I know are false.

Why would you want to carry the legacy of someone who you think is accusing a bunch of townies?

EnderWiggin 09:50 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
Why would you want to carry the legacy of someone who you think is accusing a bunch of townies?

Because you're a better solver than me when you latch onto wolves.

You and Luvs together are the reason I'm sitting here fully willing to review/yeet Vul because if there are two people I think are good solvers telling me I'm wrong on Vulgard then...

Well

I could very well be wrong on Vulgard.

Boquise 21:14 12-09-2022

This is a good point though

Raskolnikov 21:18 12-09-2022

Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Vulgard
Kagemusha (3): Cape, Visor, Boq
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Vulgard (1): Amy

Tx Boquise (for reminding me about pizza's vote)! You get a cookie.

Boquise 21:29 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Vulgard
Kagemusha (3): Cape, Visor, Boq
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Vulgard (1): Amy

Tx Boquise (for reminding me about pizza's vote)! You get a cookie.

I am fucking stupid
Sorry Visor

Vulgard 21:32 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by ladd:
let's say you are villager

why not something like ender/amy/kage/(hk/monty/maybeee boq)

i feel like you are either a villager going too down in the rabbit holes and making the game harder on himself or a wolf going for the YOLO. i am leaning the 2nd right now but WHO KNOWS

or it's also possible i am the villager on upside down world but if ender/amy are v/v idek what teams are possible, i think my top villagers +dya are all villagers a lot of the times

I agree with this take, it's more or less how I feel.

I'm struggling to articulate my feelings and reads in this game, a lot. So I'll agree with whatever resembles my perspective the most.

I also find Renata's posting around the current time quite villagery.

Originally Posted by Renata:
I kinda did, in the mindset I'm in right now. I havne't liked your comments since the shot at all. You seem personally offended by the idea of being read as scum for inadequate reasons, but like, that's not how town tends to react when that happens. At least it's not how I react. I don't sit around complaining; I have from probably two days before had an itemized list of everybody's who's thrown a nonsense push in my direction and have been scumreading them for it long since. You have like no energy focused that way. It's not like you ever pushed Taffy before, you just kind of complained about it. You're feel like your belief is that the bad pushes toward you are coming from villagers, and that's a wolf mindset.

You also are trying so hard to put together a PoE that doesn't include you or Vulgard or Ender and it just feels forced. You spent several posts begging for people to talk to you so you can be cleared, instead of just putting your head down and getting to work on solving on your own.

Then Dyachei, who's also been in my PoE, shows up, continues to have Ender in her scum pile despite Pizaa stuff (she was right on that I now think and I was wrong, but oh well), and engages with your push on Taffy in an encouraging sort of way.

So yeah. It's probably not, but please do forgive me that I thought so.

This post in particular was something I quite liked. It has an aspect of truly believing that wolves are coordinating something in front of her. I don't think wolves are commonly able to fake this sort of thing, and in fact, they often simply don't come up with reads like this in the first place.

Originally Posted by ladd:
reskimming monty iso mega quick i could also see him being a wolf

kinda weird him/kage have got so little heat considering they'd be the 2 easiest target (no offense)

i liked a couple of minor points from monty but really nothing i care to hang onto when there is so many villagery people

I tried to talk about Monty a fair bit, I just haven't gotten any engagement on it.

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
I'm going to yeet Visor today if I can because I promised Pizza.

I don't like how Ladd or Vulgard treated the shot.

Especially Vul who promised to help yeet Visor if he lived but then turned around while Pizza was fresh in the grave.

I don't feel like you've been solving this entire day phase, to be honest. Your posts have consistently been very good on a tonal level, but I feel like you are just spinning your wheels and talking about your own slot instead of actually getting anything done. And yes, this is a casual game and I recognize that (in fact, I've been trying to play pretty casually, minus the parts where ATPG riled me up a bit with his wrongpush), but this is still true.

Your reaction to me pushing you has been remarkably different from the way Amy reacted to me pushing her, which almost makes me want to write you off as people of different alignments but I feel like there is some type of fallacy involved in doing this.

EnderWiggin 23:13 12-09-2022

[QUOTE=Vulgard;2053838476I don't feel like you've been solving this entire day phase, to be honest. Your posts have consistently been very good on a tonal level, but I feel like you are just spinning your wheels and talking about your own slot instead of actually getting anything done. And yes, this is a casual game and I recognize that (in fact, I've been trying to play pretty casually, minus the parts where ATPG riled me up a bit with his wrongpush), but this is still true.

Your reaction to me pushing you has been remarkably different from the way Amy reacted to me pushing her, which almost makes me want to write you off as people of different alignments but I feel like there is some type of fallacy involved in doing this.[/QUOTE]

Sure I've been spending 50% of my time being snarky about the reads on me, but I've actively tried to do things outside this. I have been low activity because I have an irl.

I also made a Boq mini-case earlier today.

I also put out multiple thoughts/reads outside that which had nothing to do with myself.

And yes that write-off as different alignments is stupid because people individually react differently. And both Amy and I probably have different ways of reacting even if we were wolves together.

Vulgard 21:34 12-09-2022

Part of me just wants to ignore everyone else and tunnel Monty + Amy and hope I'm right because I keep being pushed and pulled in different directions.

The best flips for gamestate would probably be flips among day 1 wagons. I don't think Amy has been towny and I'm also partial to the Ender wolfreads. If we have the game backwards and we need to start killing different people then we won't know until we flip in the d1 wagons.

I'd rather not kill Visor, at least not right now.

Vulgard 21:36 12-09-2022

I'm leaving my vote on Ender.

As mentioned before, I confirm myself tomorrow, so don't kill me. I don't confirm myself first thing tomorrow = you instakill me.

Visor 21:38 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by Vulgard:
Part of me just wants to ignore everyone else and tunnel Monty + Amy and hope I'm right because I keep being pushed and pulled in different directions.

The best flips for gamestate would probably be flips among day 1 wagons. I don't think Amy has been towny and I'm also partial to the Ender wolfreads. If we have the game backwards and we need to start killing different people then we won't know until we flip in the d1 wagons.

I'd rather not kill Visor, at least not right now.

Cape90 00:18 12-10-2022

interesting

has amy like, come back at all?

Raskolnikov 21:19 12-09-2022

Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Vulgard
Kagemusha (2): Cape, Visor
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Vulgard (1): Amy

argl, ninjaed by Boq

EOD in 3 hours 40 minutes roughly

Boquise 21:20 12-09-2022

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
Visor (3): HK, Ender, Taffy
Ender (3): Renata, Ladd, Vulgard
Kagemusha (2): Cape, Visor
HK (2): Kagemusha, dya
Vulgard (1): Amy

argl, ninjaed by Boq

EOD in 3 hours 40 minutes roughly

Rekt

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