Casual december game

[Vulgard]

I mean you bending yourself about specifics just makes me think you're town so good job =P

Don't pocket me because I try not to be an awful townie :( You're taking advantage of my desperation not to suck.

[EnderWiggin]

Don't pocket me because I try not to be an awful townie :( You're taking advantage of my desperation not to suck.

Get in my pocket damnit! D:<

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't pocket me because I try not to be an awful townie :( You're taking advantage of my desperation not to suck.

@ Vulgard

Do you have a wolf read on EnderWiggin?

[Vulgard]

@ Vulgard

Do you have a wolf read on EnderWiggin?

No.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't pocket me because I try not to be an awful townie :( You're taking advantage of my desperation not to suck.

Then why are you suggesting he is pocketing you?

[Vulgard]

Then why are you suggesting he is pocketing you?

It was more of a reaction assessment than a read. I think he could possibly have been trying to pocket me, but I'm not sure. If I actually thought he was a wolf, I would be voting him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It was more of a reaction assessment than a read. I think he could possibly have been trying to pocket me, but I'm not sure. If I actually thought he was a wolf, I would be voting him.

I do not believe this is true.

I kinda don't believe any of your process so far on day one on reasses and meta dive.

[Vulgard]

I do not believe this is true.

I kinda don't believe any of your process so far on day one on reasses and meta dive.

That's probably because I don't really have one, I barely have thoughts so far.

[Renata]

By the way this is Vulgard's actual comment that he said later was a reaction assessment.

Don't pocket me because I try not to be an awful townie :( You're taking advantage of my desperation not to suck.

I can't see this as a reaction assessment, I just can't. I can be be persuaded by AtE, I can believe I'm probably wrong about everything else, but I'm stuck on this.

(Ender's pockety comment that this was in response to was "I mean you bending yourself about specifics just makes me think you're town so good job =P")

[Totally not Taffy]

By the way this is Vulgard's actual comment that he said later was a reaction assessment.



I can't see this as a reaction assessment, I just can't. I can be be persuaded by AtE, I can believe I'm probably wrong about everything else, but I'm stuck on this.

(Ender's pockety comment that this was in response to was "I mean you bending yourself about specifics just makes me think you're town so good job =P")

When I first read Vulgard's post I thought he had interpreted Ender's post as a reaction assessment - you know, give someone a townread and if they're happy about it they're probably a wolf and if they object they're probably town so the correct response is "don't pocket me". But this later reply contradicts that so I was wrong.

Eh, I wasn't trying to AtE, just explain my mindset. I feel like the definition of AtE has been stretched so much it's a massively umbrella term that means a lot of things now, more than it did originally.



Yeah, okay, I should probably just admit it at this point, I made that up so he'd leave me alone. I had no good answer at the time, I just felt like saying the thing but I knew just answering that would be considered wolfy.

I guess me admitting that it was made up is also wolfy but what can I do at this point lol. You're basically locktown for even noticing it anyway so I'm cool with that part.

I hope you understand Vulgard that this makes you look very bad.

[Cape90]

Alright, let's give this the shake around

Kagemusha:

Ok. Let us see. I have not played mafia for i don?t remember how many years and some of you i i know, most i do not.So far i dont get much wolfines from the thread. The only thing really poking my eye is why Monty ignores to answer Taffy?s question about roles and knowledge, maybe you just missed it? What town needs is more talk from more people. More the merrier, so maybe poke some action? Vote: Csargo How are you old buddy?

I know this is technically not the first post, but I will treat it as such. It's not a bad start admittedly I suppose. But also just kind of meh from most of what has happened that far into the game, only pointing out 1 thing.

Ok. Thanks Taffy! Seems i overlooked the answer which i thought Monty overlooked. Sounds like something from mafia game from Geriatric ward.

The one thing Kage pointed out ended up being just a misunderstanding on Kage's end.

I hope you brought your rope and pitchfork with you. Certain amount of bloodthirst is in order to flush mafia out. But let us talk first and start hanging in a bit: Vote: Renata How has the world treated you all these years we have not played mafia together?

Talks to Csargo, votes Renata randomly

More filler going with the easy talking route of formalities, specifically talking right to Visor.

I dont have anything to point my finger into yet. Hope more people would chip in and talk.

This is Kage's last post of day 1. So Kage's day 1 entirely consisted of rando voting and doing nothing. Cool.

So the readslist that Kage made in 1152 is the first material that Kage has posted out.

So I am in the scummy tier because... I made some bandwagon votes. Wowee. A lot of these reads come from votes that players have done in the games. Some content involved but for the most part, not really. There is something to be said about documenting all the votes in chronological order though. I would call it pretty atypical play and pretty bad play as well :). Oh and you had pretty bad votes day 1 as I mentioned so LOL.

After reading today?s posts as well. Im gonnavote: Hollowkatt. You seem to be all over the place, so much that it seems like you are just being active for sake of activity. Can you share your top suspects and give reasoning for why?

Okay a real vote for HK being all over the place and posting for the sake of posting. Then asks HK for top suspects and why. The ol' true classic rinsed and repeated reasoning that I have seen a million times.

Hollowkatt has so far voted ATGP, luv2spooge, dyachei and Visor, but i have not seen any attempt of case or building pressure against any of them.

Slightly more explanation here and meeeh

I think you hit the nail in the head there. Well said.

and yeah basically says that HK's pushes have been "hollow" which feels a little ironic considering, i don't know, your whole day 1. But maybe your just bad at day 1's.

I will review HK and see this for myself since it doesn't necessarily bring up instances, making Kage not exactly influential.

[Vulgard]

i would love for you to elaborate

in the meantime im going to be gone for a bit because irl is royally pissing me off rn and i don't want that to spill into the game

You give no real reads in that post. Everything has a conditional.

Your townreads on Renata/Visor/Pizza only apply if Ender isn't V, because if Ender is V then "the game is hard" or whatever. Funnily enough, your catch-up post also doesn't contain any attempts to solve Ender.

You have a townread on Montmorency, but you pass it off to Visor for a "sanity check," implying you don't really believe in it and want Visor (or another townie) to back you up.

You have a V read on ladd, but that one looks contrived (it makes a lot of assumptions about whether or not he would be pushing certain people) and you immediately undermine it by saying you are bad at reading ladd.

You "don't want to re-evaluate your Cape townread," but you also don't... say what the read is. Admittedly, I could go back to verify myself, but it'd just be a pain.

You say that my thoughts are hitting your brain in a weird way and you have no alignment read on me as a result. ...Okay, I guess. Then you immediately vote me because I accused you? You ask me a question, but before I even answer it, you just vote me. Guess me voting you immediately cleared everything up and I am a wolf now?

You have no wolfreads. All you offer is a vague group of four people and a statement that "you would be surprised if there isn't a wolf in there." Then you say the group could potentially be larger. So really, even that group isn't something you're constructing to solve the game, it's not even a PoE, it's just a broad stroke you're painting a huge number of players with.

You then ask Ender if he would like you to re-evaluate some of your reads. ...What reads? You have none that you truly believe. All of them are conditional. The question seems fake. This tracks with your idea that the game is difficult if Ender is town, and therefore your reads might be wrong, but you don't have any strong reads in the first place, or at least not ones that are substantiated in the slightest. I don't know how you're town and this is the question you ask Ender. You have no strong reads, this looks more like you feel obligated to engage with Ender. The end of your catch-up post even implies that you already believe that Ender will flip today either way:

i feel pretty decent about all my strong townreads and i'm not really gonna worry about that side of things unless the game gets hard (read: ender flips v LMAO)

You don't say this if you don't think Ender flips today. So.

That's why I wolfread your catch-up posts.

[Boquise]

You give no real reads in that post. Everything has a conditional.

Your townreads on Renata/Visor/Pizza only apply if Ender isn't V, because if Ender is V then "the game is hard" or whatever. Funnily enough, your catch-up post also doesn't contain any attempts to solve Ender.

You have a townread on Montmorency, but you pass it off to Visor for a "sanity check," implying you don't really believe in it and want Visor (or another townie) to back you up.

You have a V read on ladd, but that one looks contrived (it makes a lot of assumptions about whether or not he would be pushing certain people) and you immediately undermine it by saying you are bad at reading ladd.

You "don't want to re-evaluate your Cape townread," but you also don't... say what the read is. Admittedly, I could go back to verify myself, but it'd just be a pain.

You say that my thoughts are hitting your brain in a weird way and you have no alignment read on me as a result. ...Okay, I guess. Then you immediately vote me because I accused you? You ask me a question, but before I even answer it, you just vote me. Guess me voting you immediately cleared everything up and I am a wolf now?

You have no wolfreads. All you offer is a vague group of four people and a statement that "you would be surprised if there isn't a wolf in there." Then you say the group could potentially be larger. So really, even that group isn't something you're constructing to solve the game, it's not even a PoE, it's just a broad stroke you're painting a huge number of players with.

You then ask Ender if he would like you to re-evaluate some of your reads. ...What reads? You have none that you truly believe. All of them are conditional. The question seems fake. This tracks with your idea that the game is difficult if Ender is town, and therefore your reads might be wrong, but you don't have any strong reads in the first place, or at least not ones that are substantiated in the slightest. I don't know how you're town and this is the question you ask Ender. You have no strong reads, this looks more like you feel obligated to engage with Ender. The end of your catch-up post even implies that you already believe that Ender will flip today either way:



You don't say this if you don't think Ender flips today. So.

That's why I wolfread your catch-up posts.

this is a reason i town read vulgard @Hollowkat

[Cape90]

did cape get got or did he swerve correctly after getting got

I guess I have been wondering myself why HK never actually pushed me literally after this. Whatever swerved correctly means here because it still implies that "I got caught".

136 = HK's Pizza vote

sure why not

the only semi-solid read I currently have is you're weird and I'm not sure if I trust you. I remember you opening weirdly in a mash maybe it was and you flipped wolf and this opening reminded me of that opening, which is why I voted for you.

Yeah I remember

The Pizza vote did have more legs then Kage was letting on with this and the whole meta read thing.

I would have also brought up

the thing about pizza I'm noticing in this game is he is almost entirely relying on mafia theory rather than exploring why players have said the things they've said. For example when he suses Ampharos it's about "wolfy phrasing" not necessarily about what Ampharos was talking about.

Likewise with Ender it is more about "what would a wolf do in this situation" not "why is Ender doing what he is doing" and on D1 that's not a super bad approach to the game. Aim a wide net and hope to catch something in it. As the game progresses though it starts to lose effectiveness.

I think Pizza can do this as town or wolf and unfortunately there aren't really context clues to indicate which team he's playing for. If he's town the wolves are likely laying low, trying to skate through today and working on a plan to eliminate him at night.

If he's a wolf the rest of the wolves are staying out of his way and letting him run the show. I think the best I'm going to do is judge him on results. Where does he vote, how do the wagons he's on flip, how do the wagons he is not on, or not interested in flip, that kind of thing.

But it does seem like a more generalized statement on Pizza's wolf/town game. Also the post in entirety does feel towny for HK

I am assuming with the luvs vote, HK didn't like luvs' list according to 529 so i think that's where 531 comes from but I am not actually too sure. Later on HK posts 699 which I believe makes my suspicions true about the why I believe. Even more progress confirming my confirm 893 though I just do not really get why wait so long.

Even though I think HK is usually a pretty simple read and they are probably town for some of the thoughts they formulated this game

why not though? like at some point if you're town and you're convinced that someone else is reading you wolf when they should, by history/experience/whatever, be reading you town or at worst null isn't the logical conclusion "this person isn't pushing me in good faith"?

Like sure you said you've never been "so confident" in someone elses ability to read you but Logic appears to be stating Visor should be able to do that correctly (intimating So Confident) which makes that leap to "visor is a wolf" more of a legit conclusion than what you're arguing.

if he was right locking those reads into place with people who, if town, are smart enough to start with the list and start pressing then he's worked hard to clear a few people who are chops the wolf team would like to get, and impugned people the wolf team would like to keep safe.

I guess it would have to come down to whether or not the wolf team thinks they could out play his list, or if they kept him alive, outplay him. I tend to think if you have a player who's right, and is hard to eliminate that you want to work to mitigate them not enshrine their reads for perpetuity.

I don't think any wolf team takes a shot at pizza last night because nobody knows if a doctor exists. doctor, if you exist, shut the fuck up no you don't

anyways, back to my train of thought. If you're a wolf the best play last night is assume there is some kind of protect and assume that protection is on pizza, then go from there. Tonight I expect pizza to die, so does pizza

well yeah logic is dead town, you're obvs not going to say you're a wolf, and that leaves vulgard and taffy. Neither of which I'm remembering well or impressed by (which I guess is saying functionally the same thing)

Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.

Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.

Even with some of that, I do find the luvs sus progression to be strange.

dya vote is because HK probs doesn't like dya's reads 945 along with

interesting b/c that's where I'm at with you. Not sure what your schedule looks like but I'm about an hour from putting my kiddo to bed and then I'll be thread parked for a while. you can preload questions for me if you'd like just @ me

I find it rather weak so I can agree there.

sure, I guess.

and if I turn this around and say "dya isn't playing like anything I've seen them play before" your response is going to be "illness, kiddo, life" (in a nutshell anyways) and I'm sure you could see how I could respond with "so you can understand my concerns about you" to which your response, if you're town, is going to be "look, context is important please judge me by my content" or something to that effect.

Kinda feels like we could be talking past each other not with each other, but that is also a function of me not being here approx half the day D1 as well as our non-aligned schedules.

I think I can find you town if you are and I think you can do the same for me.

This is an interesting post on dyachei...

Anyways, as far as Visor goes, again, there is

Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.

Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.

which I just brought up. As well as the read in 949

but it does feel slightly jokey in 951

If HK has anything to add, feel free. I don't think there's anything to be said more about luvs obviously but updates on any other ones would be appreciated

[Cape90]

welp, it's been good playing with 2 town, let's lose now!

[Cape90]

welp, it's been good playing with 2 town, let's lose now!

oh it's desperado

spicy

I thought it was a sorcerer

[EnderWiggin]

Well.

I hope I'm wrong on Vulgard.