Casual december game

[Logic]

I have a dislike of going with consensus especially D1 because it often lands on town and it provides easy cover for wolves. If we're all throwing a lot of reads/observations around, then they are forced to do so as well and the D5 conversation can be better than "you voted Logic - well so did you - yes but my reasons were more genuine than your reasons".

I am firmly of the opinion that a D1 misyeet (myself included) is better for info on later days than accurately yeeting a wolf.

[Logic]

okay but find the actual wolves logic

dont just say cause i wolfread u i must be a wolf and to kill me

I'll find who I find in my own time.

You don't like it? Yeet me.

I'm looking at everyone talking about me, because there's far more of than than talking to me.

[Visor]

I'll find who I find in my own time.

You don't like it? Yeet me.

I'm looking at everyone talking about me, because there's far more of than than talking to me.

i mean we have 7 hours left

so your own time needs to be p soon

esp if you want to kill someone you think is actually a wolf

[Logic]

i mean we have 7 hours left

so your own time needs to be p soon

esp if you want to kill someone you think is actually a wolf

Lol
You must have missed where I said a D1 town yeet is preferable to long term games.

I am also looking for towns to try and veto a yeet there, assuming my wagon falls apart (not likely.) So far I have a couple I think are consensus (cape and Boq looking towny to me) and I'm liking what I see of Dya and Vulgard.

My pool of suspects include Amy, you, and Csargo.
I've already reiterated my stance on you plenty; no need to rehash it.
Amy looks stilted and uncomfortable; she could be due for some pressure.
Csargo dancing around suspicion of me and then dropping a vote on someone I only saw a single post from has me doing the :fry:

[hollowkatt]

I love waking up to 6 new pages to read

[hollowkatt]

I wrote a big wallpost about it not long after that post.

Logic, what's your opinion on Spooge? That's my current alternative to your wagon.

this one?

Speaking of my reads, I ought to compile them.

I have dya V for her approach to my slot and to the game in general, they're just chillin'. This is the type of read I'm somewhat likely to be wrong about, so I don't want to attribute too much weight to it, but I feel good enough about dya for now.

I also felt good about Csargo when he was posting. The read on him is dropping a bit because of recency bias, but it's still there.

I had a dumb read on Visor/ladd that they were V/V for ladd explaining his wolfread on Logic in a very memeworthy way and Visor V reading him for it immediately, then them entering banter. I felt like that was the type of thing villagers do with each other as they find each other but neither feels like making a show of it.

Ender/Amy/ATPG is a weird group that contains a wolf IMO. I currently think the wolf is most likely ATPG, but I also think that ATPG is the most isolated-in-thread of these players, and I want to respect his reads a bit, which is why the two people he sussed the most openly are also in this grouping. Basically, he's either a wolf pushing town (Ender and Amy) or he's right on at least one of them is the way I see the situation. Not exactly helpful to see it this way because it doesn't allow determining which one to vote, but it does narrow down the focus a bit, I suppose. I currently think ATPG is the wolfiest, but I have some concerns about this belief considering how big of a role he's played so far and how few people have actually talked about him in a meaningful way. Though on the other hand I don't know if him not being talked about in a meaningful way by most players (by meaningful, I mean with actual conclusions in regard to his alignment) makes him town, it could just make him a wolf lol (imagine knowing and applying consistent principles for catching wolves). Kinda tempted to move my vote there, but. Fwiw, if ATPG flips mafia, I would strongly consider clearing Ender and Amy, even though ATPG said he was more than happy to leave distancing spew. And if one of Ender/Amy flips mafia, probably give ATPG some time and see if he dies for it (because by his own admission, he should).

Logic just feels like a slot everyone has silently agreed is mafia and I'm probably okay with yeeting him.

If so thanks, if not can you point me to it?

[hollowkatt]

yeah ok fine

i don't like how logic went straight to "visor is a wolf" without even trying to engage with the read on him

if someone i thought had a really good read on me (e.g. dya) was incorrectly wolfreading me, i'd do everything in my power to figure out where the read is coming from and whether it has a good foundation before i'd write them off as a wolf. not once in my life have i been so confident in someone else's amy-reading abilities as to jump straight to "if X is wrong on my alignment, they're wolfing" without any intermediary steps

why not though? like at some point if you're town and you're convinced that someone else is reading you wolf when they should, by history/experience/whatever, be reading you town or at worst null isn't the logical conclusion "this person isn't pushing me in good faith"?

Like sure you said you've never been "so confident" in someone elses ability to read you but Logic appears to be stating Visor should be able to do that correctly (intimating So Confident) which makes that leap to "visor is a wolf" more of a legit conclusion than what you're arguing.

[Raskolnikov]

Logic (5): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Ladd, Visor
Visor (2): Montmo, Logic
Kage (2): Boquise, Csargo
HK (1): Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
ATPG (1): luv2spooge
Renata (1): Kagemusha

[hollowkatt]

Well you see, I read posts and I determined that on the sum of the posts that I read these were the most likely alignments for each player.

No, I am not. And you are town. And you are an easy read. So don't vote me just because you're an easy read Hollowkatt.

somehow I'm less concerned with how you got to your reads and more concerned with how easily you're handing me a town read.

When I asked why you had those reads I expected at least a small blurb about a few of them like "I like this post, or tonally they're free and easy" not "I read their posts and this is the ordering" which makes me wonder if your reads list isn't basically scraping the thread for consensus and then saying "these are my reads"

Lets talk then about just a couple of your reads:

Ampharos Town - why is Ampharos town?

Taffy - Sorta Wolfy - why is Taffy sorta wolfy and what does sorta wolfy mean?

Vulgard Wolf - why is Vulgard wolf?

[Logic]

Heya hollowkatt.

Talk to me about me, if you will. Or anyone that's made a read on me and your thoughts on it.

[Csargo]

Lol
You must have missed where I said a D1 town yeet is preferable to long term games.

I am also looking for towns to try and veto a yeet there, assuming my wagon falls apart (not likely.) So far I have a couple I think are consensus (cape and Boq looking towny to me) and I'm liking what I see of Dya and Vulgard.

My pool of suspects include Amy, you, and Csargo.
I've already reiterated my stance on you plenty; no need to rehash it.
Amy looks stilted and uncomfortable; she could be due for some pressure.
Csargo dancing around suspicion of me and then dropping a vote on someone I only saw a single post from has me doing the :fry:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

just me being simple, but I'm okay with it

I think visor/dya are town currently and logic is just a woof tbh

I mean, I don't feel like I've been acting as you say. Just cause I didn't drop my vote on you and call it a day. I've been trying to find you, if you're town, while exploring other possibilities.

[Logic]

I mean, I don't feel like I've been acting as you say. Just cause I didn't drop my vote on you and call it a day. I've been trying to find you, if you're town, while exploring other possibilities.

"Just a wolf"
"Trying to find you"

You don't see the dichotomy there?

[Csargo]

"Just a wolf"
"Trying to find you"

You don't see the dichotomy there?

from last night to this morning no not really. I engaged you about visor and who he was with and why last night. To now where I've continued to try and engage with you.

[Logic]

I was backreading, but the amount of pizza walls

[Logic]

from last night to this morning no not really. I engaged you about visor and who he was with and why last night. To now where I've continued to try and engage with you.

Where are you at today, on a scale of 0-10 in confidence level?

If I'm town, who is also wrong? Who's taking advantage of my wagon?
(Feel free to ask these of yourself and not answer them publicly)

[Visor]

by imperial decree

i now no longer think logic is a wolf

(if the wolves really encouraged logic to go all out there, props to them)

time to shift wagons folks

Vote: Boquise

[ladd]

Ill try to be around at least a bit before eod

Sorry, i knew i wasnt gonna have much time until the 11th but didnt think it'd be this bad

[Boquise]

I am firmly of the opinion that a D1 misyeet (myself included) is better for info on later days than accurately yeeting a wolf.

what a post to open the thread to tbh

[Boquise]

In order of most likely to know

Pizza

Monty
Csargo

Big gap

Dya (maybe)
Amy (maybe)

kinda surprised that you didnt have me in your read list here tbh

[Boquise]

your post implied that tbh

[Boquise]

by imperial decree

i now no longer think logic is a wolf

(if the wolves really encouraged logic to go all out there, props to them)

time to shift wagons folks

Vote: Boquise

this unpairs visor with logic me thinks tbh

austria declaring war on sweden, we shall see who has sown his last potato after this brouhaha tbh

[dyachei]

idk that logic would prefer he be an elim if he were a wolf

[Csargo]

your post implied that tbh

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I thought you knew Visor can soulread me as well as GH can. And what makes you think he doesn't have confidence in the read?

I have a pretty bad memory, so I didn't know that. I also had no idea gh could soulread you tbh.

He seemingly has confidence in his read here, which I can understand, even though he didn't really explain why(?) I don't think. I was talking about the other game, but I was wrong

How?

[Visor]

Surprised to have not heard much from monty so far

[dyachei]

Surprised to have not heard much from monty so far

i didnt even realize they were in the game

[Boquise]

How?

Second sentence in first paragraph is about GH.
The next paragraph there is just a "he". Considering you most recently wrote GH, the logic of that language implies GH is the "he" lest another name would have been written first tbh. This is a misplaced modifier tbh

Your punishment is 10 laps around the school building tbh

[Boquise]

Vote Ampharos

[Csargo]

Second sentence in first paragraph is about GH.
The next paragraph there is just a "he". Considering you most recently wrote GH, the logic of that language implies GH is the "he" lest another name would have been written first tbh. This is a misplaced modifier tbh

Your punishment is 10 laps around the school building tbh

Should have wrote Visor instead of he, noted. I'll get to running.

[Boquise]

town reads:
cape, vulgard

town leans:
visor, dya, hk, luvs

i am too tired after today smh

i had previously a weak town lean on Amy, as described earlier. I am reverting the read to a weak scum lean because of how Amy is approaching the game and me reminds me of how they have approached those things previously as mafia. Like super easily town read me earlier today for my responses. Amy is a prone Boqusher and is easily paranoid of me tbh. I expected her to feel like I was pocketing her and react to that, if she is town. I have previously misread Amy due to her town reading me and due to how I usually read their mood (it is very relatable tbh).

Also this post:

i have an immediate concern w/ how logic's reentered the thread but i'm gonna sit on it for a bit to see if it's self-correcting

mostly posting this because it's fun to watch logic squirm

Feels like Amy hiding thoughts from the thread. It is hard for Logic to combat this post due to its secrecy. i have more words but they cant get out atm tbh


oh and i voted Kage because there was a post I disliked and I wanted to see how the thread reacted tbh

[dyachei]

town reads:
cape, vulgard

town leans:
visor, dya, hk, luvs

i am too tired after today smh

i had previously a weak town lean on Amy, as described earlier. I am reverting the read to a weak scum lean because of how Amy is approaching the game and me reminds me of how they have approached those things previously as mafia. Like super easily town read me earlier today for my responses. Amy is a prone Boqusher and is easily paranoid of me tbh. I expected her to feel like I was pocketing her and react to that, if she is town. I have previously misread Amy due to her town reading me and due to how I usually read their mood (it is very relatable tbh).

Also this post:


Feels like Amy hiding thoughts from the thread. It is hard for Logic to combat this post due to its secrecy. i have more words but they cant get out atm tbh


oh and i voted Kage because there was a post I disliked and I wanted to see how the thread reacted tbh

how did the thread react and what do you think about it?