Casual december game

[hollowkatt]

What was your issue with luv exactly?

Town

Cape
Hollowkatt
Ampharos

Little Bit Towny

Mont
Visor
Blade

Meh

Sorta Wolfy

Taffy

Quite Wolfy

Logic
Pizza
Vulgard

I have read all the posts, these are my reads. Goodbye.

why

This reads list looked like it had an agenda. I had Logic in the null zone, pizza hadn't done anything overtly wolfy in my opinion and while there are concerns there they're not "blinking neon sign" wolf tells (I think)
I also felt like his top town bucket was weird. I didn't think I'd done anything to be obvs town, and Ampharos was wolf read by a vast swath of the game, which to me was indicating that luv was super disconnected from what was going on. It felt like a reads list a wolf might produce that has just the right level of spice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This reads list looked like it had an agenda. I had Logic in the null zone, pizza hadn't done anything overtly wolfy in my opinion and while there are concerns there they're not "blinking neon sign" wolf tells (I think)
I also felt like his top town bucket was weird. I didn't think I'd done anything to be obvs town, and Ampharos was wolf read by a vast swath of the game, which to me was indicating that luv was super disconnected from what was going on. It felt like a reads list a wolf might produce that has just the right level of spice.

I can follow all this in your footsteps.

[Renata]

Taffy town. Cape town (I'm never going to be able to write that without thinking of the city).

If there's four wolves, I'm throwing in Pizza, Vulgard, Csargo, maybe Visor, maybe Ender, maybe Boquise <-- that's a sponge off of spooge; I didn't really have a negative view of them myself, maybe a null-to-me.

I am very, very exhausted today and I feel like the wheels of my brain are spinning in mud, but this is all from yesterday when I was functioning better. Please be patient with me until I've had some sleep. I am going to be slow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Taffy town. Cape town (I'm never going to be able to write that without thinking of the city).

If there's four wolves, I'm throwing in Pizza, Vulgard, Csargo, maybe Visor, maybe Ender, maybe Boquise <-- that's a sponge off of spooge; I didn't really have a negative view of them myself, maybe a null-to-me.

I am very, very exhausted today and I feel like the wheels of my brain are spinning in mud, but this is all from yesterday when I was functioning better. Please be patient with me until I've had some sleep. I am going to be slow.

Explain your wolf read on me please.

Also answer my solving questions before the day reaches mid-day, please.

[Renata]

Explain your wolf read on me please.

Also answer my solving questions before the day reaches mid-day, please.

I'm not too keen on doing busy-work as dictated by someone who I think is scum.

The read is simply that you are lacking in spontaneity. There is a spark you tend to have when you are town that I've been good at seeing in the past even when other people are calling you a wolf, and yesterday was very pro-forma. I think in part it must have been deliberate (all those "this is a wolf tell" things), but there's nothing aside from that that feels free. You're running on rails.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not too keen on doing busy-work as dictated by someone who I think is scum.

The read is simply that you are lacking in spontaneity. There is a spark you tend to have when you are town that I've been good at seeing in the past even when other people are calling you a wolf, and yesterday was very pro-forma. I think in part it must have been deliberate (all those "this is a wolf tell" things), but there's nothing aside from that that feels free. You're running on rails.

You have no idea I am town.

Awesome, gonna set you aside in the null pile.

[Renata]

I meant to also have Visor in the iffy category. A bit lacking.

[Renata]

Fuck me I did have Visor written down. This is what I mean by not functioning.

[Totally not Taffy]

A loosely ordered reads list since I didn't get around to it yesterday. It's also late and I will not read posts until tomorrow morning.


People I would prefer not to reconsider until LyLo:

Boquise: you voted Kagemusha shortly after I got pinged (see below), and I don't believe a wolf would have started a wagon with so little chance of success at a time when that could not but draw a lot of unwanted attention (as it did). My impression of you as a wolf is more one of slyly steering people than of making fancy twtbaw plays, correct me if wrong.

Vulgard: your early game gave me the impression that you were uncomfortable in the thread (which is probably where all those scumreads come from), and I believe that you'd be happier and more confident if you had randed wolf. If we both live till LyLo I'll put in some work to look at former wolf games of yours to see if faking this is something you like to do.

Cape: you made that post saying that you sometimes as a wolf like to up your obliviousness to jokes and if that was a lampshade of what you were actually doing at SoD then mad props to you but for now you look very towny to me.



People I would prefer not to yeet today but have no firm read on:

Montmorency: towards EoD I got the feeling that you were moving your vote around just to see the response and I thought that was towny in a "I'm not sure which one of these (if any) is a wolf but let's see if we can force wolves to show their hand" way.

Csargo: all your posts look town to me, and you seem to mesh well with the thread. I'd like to know what your reasons for wolfreading HK are/were.

Spooge: I've liked most of your posts, I'm interested in having you explain why you think HK is so obviously town because as you can see we disagree there.

Ladd: I thought your post with the quotes from Logic was awful until someone called it a joke. I'm pretty sure you haven't done anything that would let me read you yet.

Asks: I have made zero effort to guess your alignment, you count as my null on this list. The fact that half of the players ended above and half below is a coincidence I find particularly funny.

Renata: missing most of D1 and then obviously not being able to contribute much could be a way for a wolf to get past D1 and out of having to fool Asks I guess, but really you're just null atp.

Dyachei: nothing you have done has stood out to me one way or another, the only reason you're not above Asks is that someone suggested a team with you and Visor yesterday and I liked it because it was the first suggestion that wasn't wholly made up of "awkward" people if that makes sense. Also sheeping Logic a little.

Kagemusha: p286 pinged me as potentially a wolf who had been happy to have found something to push Monty for and then had that taken away from them. This is little more than a fleeting impression. Other than that you haven't done much, so if I were looking for a wolf trying to fly under the radar you're a top candidate.

Ampharos: you're mainly here because you were one of the counterwagons and therefore of interest. I'm not finding you stilted, but I've no idea what you are like in other games, so... would you agree that in general you enjoy wolfing much more than towning?


The people I'm most interested in today:

Hollowkatt: I realise that it was unfair of me to say you disappeared. I still think your interactions with other people SoD looked more wolfy than towny, your wagon never went anywhere, and you're someone others have expressed reads on, so you're a person of interest.

Ender: you were the main counterwagon and also I've realised that that gradual way you developed that townread on me is exactly the right way to pocket me and you would know that. The main reason you're above Visor is that I've never been in a game where you're tryharding before and it's rather fun to see.

Visor: I've made enough posts yesterday that you shouldn't have completely forgotten that I'm in the game. To me that looks like a wolf trying to project an air of detachment, hoping that people will reason "oh he'd put more effort in if he were a wolf".

[dyachei]

I think hk is where I want to focus today. I remember nothing from him and he's usually pretty memorable

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think hk is where I want to focus today. I remember nothing from him and he's usually pretty memorable

Do you have a larger footprint than that, or is this antispew?

[dyachei]

Do you have a larger footprint than that, or is this antispew?

you're a grouch today aren't you

I have a POE larger than that but HK was getting almost no attention and I think that's a problem

I think visor and ender are also in the POE

Vulgard and Amy are likely v

[Askthepizzaguy]

you're a grouch today aren't you

I have a POE larger than that but HK was getting almost no attention and I think that's a problem

I think visor and ender are also in the POE

Vulgard and Amy are likely v

Can you tell me the whys behind some of those before midday today?

[hollowkatt]

I think hk is where I want to focus today. I remember nothing from him and he's usually pretty memorable

interesting b/c that's where I'm at with you. Not sure what your schedule looks like but I'm about an hour from putting my kiddo to bed and then I'll be thread parked for a while. you can preload questions for me if you'd like just @ me

[dyachei]

interesting b/c that's where I'm at with you. Not sure what your schedule looks like but I'm about an hour from putting my kiddo to bed and then I'll be thread parked for a while. you can preload questions for me if you'd like just @ me

i'm dead tired today (kiddo is sick and woke me up in the middle of the night and did not want to go back to sleep) and sick. I will ask you stuff but it might not be tonight

[Visor]

Just want to apologise to logic for not pushing back hard enough at the end, prob should've killed ender (or stuck on Amy) but I felt bad about pushing both of them and copped out to killing you cause it'd get people talking elsewhere

My fault bronana, should've pushed back earlier

[hollowkatt]

i'm dead tired today (kiddo is sick and woke me up in the middle of the night and did not want to go back to sleep) and sick. I will ask you stuff but it might not be tonight

legit. looking forwards to our inevitable conversation

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Taffy

Would you bet the game that Vulgard is town?

Meaning, you have no doubt at all.

If so, explain how you got there in a manner that presupposes I have never played with Vulgard, do not know how to read him, and if you are that confident you must have strong reasons.

I need you to hold my hand, and walk me through it like I am stupid. Do not assume I understand anything you're saying but the definitions of the words you're using.

[Csargo]

Csargo: all your posts look town to me, and you seem to mesh well with the thread. I'd like to know what your reasons for wolfreading HK are/were.

none of this doesn't make sense so sure.

I'll share my town reads if/when I arrive at them, there's a slight niggling of something on Ender I think is positive but I'm sitting on that for the time being.
I don't believe in towntells because I think any wolf worth their salt can towntell, like you said in 189 only replace derp/dumb with town or wolf at your leisure.

I don't like the bolded, always feel like stuff like that seems made up to me.

nah, I read it. I also remembered how pizza posted to open a mash on mafiauniverse a short time ago and he was wolf there and this was similar enough that I wanted to let him know I remembered.

I find the end of this quote just weird. It's not like "I think you're a woof" and more to me like" I want you to think I think you're a woof" or like a gotcha type deal? It was just odd phrasing to me.

Plus a lower level of content from hk than I've been accustomed to imo, but they already explained that.

I didn't really push it, except a comment about the about the above quote that was semi-serious. These are things similar to stuff that's bothered me before about hk, and I'm always wrong, so I didn't really do anything with it. Just focused on other people.

[Totally not Taffy]

I don't like the bolded, always feel like stuff like that seems made up to me.



I find the end of this quote just weird. It's not like "I think you're a woof" and more to me like" I want you to think I think you're a woof" or like a gotcha type deal? It was just odd phrasing to me.

Plus a lower level of content from hk than I've been accustomed to imo, but they already explained that.

I didn't really push it, except a comment about the about the above quote that was semi-serious. These are things similar to stuff that's bothered me before about hk, and I'm always wrong, so I didn't really do anything with it. Just focused on other people.

Thank you! How do you feel about his posting today? Do you think I should back off?

I realise in replying to this post that I left you off of my list of people I would be willing to sheep. @Askthepizzaguy

[Csargo]

Thank you! How do you feel about his posting today? Do you think I should back off?

I realise in replying to this post that I left you off of my list of people I would be willing to sheep. @Askthepizzaguy

I feel meh tbh. luvs readlist being weird I can see that. Talking about why luvs was nk I don't think ever goes anywhere that leads to a correct assumption, there's too many possibilities imo. I'd like to know why hk called ender town and the reasoning behind it. The series of posts that led to that conclusion. No idea what to make of the dya back and forth.

Do whatever you want Taffy, I don't absolutely believe 100% that hk is a woof, because of what I said before, add in the trying to shift playstyle and RL stuff from hk. I have a pretty low confidence in my read there.

[Cape90]

I really fricked that up, especially if Wiggin is mafia

I feel really bad

Sorry Logic

Anyways, I will be here shortly and hopefully not panicking EOD again

[Totally not Taffy]

I really fricked that up, especially if Wiggin is mafia

I feel really bad

Sorry Logic

Anyways, I will be here shortly and hopefully not panicking EOD again

You should not feel bad. If players never made mistakes, wolves could never win. Apologising is also supposed to be a scumtell, because it shows a guilty conscience. If you knew this and did it on purpose then I think it's very funny. (No it does not make me think you are scum)

the thing about it is I just do not get how faking reads is something that can be interpreted as towny from a town's perspective. I have never seen it

I sometimes like to give a firm townread to a strong player who I actually don't have a good read on that game so the wolves will solve the slot for me. Or, if I think someone is town and don't want them NKed, I might keep them as a scumlean. This also catches wolves who start opportunistic pushes thinking you'll join. Sometimes it works, but you have to balance it with letting other people know where you stand. Naturally if your reads and your voting are out of sync you just end up getting misyeeted.

[EnderWiggin]

Taffy town. Cape town (I'm never going to be able to write that without thinking of the city).

If there's four wolves, I'm throwing in Pizza, Vulgard, Csargo, maybe Visor, maybe Ender, maybe Boquise <-- that's a sponge off of spooge; I didn't really have a negative view of them myself, maybe a null-to-me.

I am very, very exhausted today and I feel like the wheels of my brain are spinning in mud, but this is all from yesterday when I was functioning better. Please be patient with me until I've had some sleep. I am going to be slow.

Will wait until you have had sleep but this is not a great post imo.

[Renata]

Will wait until you have had sleep but this is not a great post imo.

Why.

[EnderWiggin]

Why.

Limited town reads, wide scumpool.

[Renata]

Limited town reads, wide scumpool.

I'm not sure whether that's weak or perfectly fair. Don't expect a lot of free town reads from me though.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm not sure whether that's weak or perfectly fair. Don't expect a lot of free town reads from me though.

Unless you can tier your POE having a wide POE makes for very open kill pool which is exactly what a scumteam wants.

It means if you aren't wolf yourself there are multiple ways they can pull you to get you to help them wagon a town.

[EnderWiggin]

Csargo/Visor maybe clear from that claim.

I'm going to hold onto a "Wolves claiming Mason" but I don't think either were up for votes enough for them to do that there. So clearing them.

Pizza probably clear from the wifom play he's doing. I'm willing to entertain it until he claims midday in about 21.5ish hours.

Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner. Amy possibly pocketed me but I'm reviewing.

Vulgard is the person I wanna townread but for respect for Luvs I'm going to drop my pre-read and reconsider them.

Kage/Ladd/Dyachei are the grouping I don't really have a read on properly rn.

HK/Monty/Boq are the three names I really want to dig into today because I think a wolf exists in that.

This list is pendingpossiblechanges depending on how I read through things when I have time.

[Cape90]

Csargo/Visor maybe clear from that claim.

I'm going to hold onto a "Wolves claiming Mason" but I don't think either were up for votes enough for them to do that there. So clearing them.

Pizza probably clear from the wifom play he's doing. I'm willing to entertain it until he claims midday in about 21.5ish hours.

Renata/Taffy/Amy/Cape are the people I think have towntold in a significant manner. Amy possibly pocketed me but I'm reviewing.

Vulgard is the person I wanna townread but for respect for Luvs I'm going to drop my pre-read and reconsider them.

Kage/Ladd/Dyachei are the grouping I don't really have a read on properly rn.

HK/Monty/Boq are the three names I really want to dig into today because I think a wolf exists in that.

This list is pendingpossiblechanges depending on how I read through things when I have time.

i wish all of this wasn't underwhelming

I wouldn't be surprised if the claim was fake but i don't suspect either so meh

Pizza isn't cleared off that try again. It looks towny but I wouldn't go that far in a slot that should at least be looked at with more caution since strong player.

Renata? You are at the very least gonna have to explain that one

POE of HK/Monty/Boq is very different from what I had.

I have seen Boq respond to pressure very poorly when wolf though, though who knows if that's AI all the time or mood dependent.